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NCAA Basketball March Madness

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Reply #1 posted 02/12/18 9:17am

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If it's March Madness, then it's time for my annual Marshall Henderson GIF Jamboree!


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Since I couldn't find my original post, I'll breakdown the wonderfulness of this GIF again. But to recap, this is Ole Miss guard Marshall Henderson, after hitting the game-winning free throws agains Auburn, AT Auburn back in 2013. As you can see, Henderson was not shy! Marshall was kind of like the Johnny Manziel of college basketball - extremely talented, but with a whole lot of baggage. Anyway, let's break down this 4-second thing of beauty:

1. Marshall Henderson himself. Just look at that! He's SUPPOSED to be flaunting the Ole Miss logo on his jersey, but it's more of a Look-At-My-Abs kind of move. Maybe he's "flapping" his jersey as his own kind of "War Eagle" bird move?

2. The old man in the orange sweater who stands up. I think he's saying "Come at me, bro!" but I'm not sure. I don't know who he is but judging by his seat location, he's one of Auburn's top athletic supporters

3. The security guard next to Orange Sweater Man. He's laughing his ass off! I love that guy, especially since he makes NO move whatsoever to stop Henderson, or protect him

4. Speaking of laughing guys, how about the bearded announcer in the blue vest? Awesome! I think he might be an Ole Miss announcer, since his vest is the same color as Henderson's jersey but then again, Auburn also uses blue. At any rate, his beard is just great

5. His announcing buddy in the white sweater is not quite as thrilled, with an "I've seen this before" kind of look on his face. Which probably means those guys ARE Ole Miss announcers, because this kind of stuff was common with Henderson

6. OK, let's get to the Auburn students! First off, moving left-to-right, we have Double-Bird Guy. He enters a second into the GIF, and literally does move left-to-right. He cuts in front of Get The F*** Outta Here With That Bulls*** Guy, who really needed to step his game up

7. Behind Double Bird Guy is ANOTHER Double Bird Guy. He's got an orange-and-white striped shirt, and a bad haircut. His double bird game is not as strong as that of the guy in front of him

8. I think my FAVORITE guy is "Come At Me Bro!" Guy. He's the guy in the white hat, waving at Henderson to come and get some. And then he hides behind Single Bird Guy. Not representing Auburn's manliness very well, bro!

9. Single Bird Guy (unwittingly) becomes a human shield for Come At Me Bro Guy. At least he didn't try to hide behind Old Man in Orange Sweater

10. The we have Short Dude Who Gets Hit By A Poster. He shrugs it off like a playa, then bends down to pick it up. Most polite guy on The Plains!

11. Last but not least on the front row, we have Ding Dang Gosh Darn It Guy. I call him Ding Dang Gosh Darn It Guy because even though he gets off a single bird, the way he removes his hat to accentuate his yelling is just so cornpone. His friends probably call him Farmer Ted

12. Remember the sign that hit Short Dude Who Gets Hit By A Poster? We don't know who threw it, but the reaction of the two girls behind our frat bros is great! First, we have the girl in the blue print top, who is absolutely flabbergasted and disgusted that an Auburn War Eagle Tiger fan would throw a poster. Her friend to the right in the orange shirt is just scared. If any of the frat bros had tried to protect her, I bet she would have married him right there on the spot

I think I covered everyone. Feel free to add your comments to my favorite GIF of all time as we enjoy this college basketball seaons!


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Reply #2 posted 02/12/18 3:27pm

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RodeoSchro said:

If it's March Madness, then it's time for my annual Marshall Henderson GIF Jamboree!


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lol lol lol Shit is priceless. The young man - who looks like a little boy - throwing the double bird, fucking hilarious. falloff I'm studying my brackets now. deal

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Reply #3 posted 02/14/18 2:08pm

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE RUINING NATIONAL ***INTERESTING AND MUCH MORE IMPORTANT*** NBA COVERAGE FOR ALL OF US!!!!

BOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F**K YOU, WHACK ASS, SLOP BALL, NONSENSE MARKETED TO CHRONICALLY UNEMPLOYED, ALCOHOLIC OR RETIRED PEOPLE WHO GAMBLE!!!

GET OFF THE AIR!!!! YOU SUCK, NCAA!!!!

I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE "FARM TEAM"!

Truly mediocre basketball viewing...incredibly dull and a complete waste of time.

- Just my two cents

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Reply #4 posted 02/17/18 1:32pm

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It's too bad the young men actually doing the work don't get a slice of the profits.

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Reply #5 posted 02/20/18 9:19am

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uPtoWnNY said:

It's too bad the young men actually doing the work don't get a slice of the profits.



But they get a free college education including room and board. As one who just paid for two of those, I can tell you it would cost that young man at least $50,000 if he was paying for it himself. And if he went to a private school like Duke?

Try $200,000.

I know where you're coming from but it's not like these guys aren't getting something of great value when they get a scholarship.

Think about this: what if the NCAA said, "OK, you get a cut of the money. But you have to pay for your college education out of your own pocket. And you have to pay just like everyone else does - each semester up front and in full. No special treatment for you just because you play ball". Do you think that would be good or bad for college athlete?

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Reply #6 posted 02/20/18 9:26am

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE RUINING NATIONAL ***INTERESTING AND MUCH MORE IMPORTANT*** NBA COVERAGE FOR ALL OF US!!!!

BOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F**K YOU, WHACK ASS, SLOP BALL, NONSENSE MARKETED TO CHRONICALLY UNEMPLOYED, ALCOHOLIC OR RETIRED PEOPLE WHO GAMBLE!!!

GET OFF THE AIR!!!! YOU SUCK, NCAA!!!!

I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE "FARM TEAM"!

Truly mediocre basketball viewing...incredibly dull and a complete waste of time.

- Just my two cents

[Edited 2/14/18 14:37pm]




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I do agree that NCAA basketball is hard to get behind, since all the best players are one and done.

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Reply #7 posted 02/20/18 11:59am

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RodeoSchro said:

uPtoWnNY said:

It's too bad the young men actually doing the work don't get a slice of the profits.



But they get a free college education including room and board. As one who just paid for two of those, I can tell you it would cost that young man at least $50,000 if he was paying for it himself. And if he went to a private school like Duke?

Try $200,000.

I know where you're coming from but it's not like these guys aren't getting something of great value when they get a scholarship.

Think about this: what if the NCAA said, "OK, you get a cut of the money. But you have to pay for your college education out of your own pocket. And you have to pay just like everyone else does - each semester up front and in full. No special treatment for you just because you play ball". Do you think that would be good or bad for college athlete?

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A free college education is nothing to sneeze at, but we're talking about a tournament that generated $1 billion last year. And if my name & likeness is being used to sell a school & merchandise, I want my cut - that's the American way (I thought). To me, these young men aren't "student-athletes", they're semi-pros (or hired guns). Most of them won't make the pros, so why not set up an account for the basketball & football players to draw upon when they leave school?

Let me say this - FUCK the NCAA. Next to Congress, FIFA & the Olympic Committee, they're a bunch of crooks & hypocrites. They still want to pretend big-time college basketball / football is "amateur" athletics.......please. They also play favorites - they turned a blind eye to what Sam Gilbert did for John Wooden's "sainted" UCLA program, but they hounded Jerry Tarkanian for years.

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Reply #8 posted 02/20/18 12:26pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

RodeoSchro said:



But they get a free college education including room and board. As one who just paid for two of those, I can tell you it would cost that young man at least $50,000 if he was paying for it himself. And if he went to a private school like Duke?

Try $200,000.

I know where you're coming from but it's not like these guys aren't getting something of great value when they get a scholarship.

Think about this: what if the NCAA said, "OK, you get a cut of the money. But you have to pay for your college education out of your own pocket. And you have to pay just like everyone else does - each semester up front and in full. No special treatment for you just because you play ball". Do you think that would be good or bad for college athlete?

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A free college education is nothing to sneeze at, but we're talking about a tournament that generated $1 billion last year. And if my name & likeness is being used to sell a school & merchandise, I want my cut - that's the American way (I thought). To me, these young men aren't "student-athletes", they're semi-pros (or hired guns). Most of them won't make the pros, so why not set up an account for the basketball & football players to draw upon when they leave school?

Let me say this - FUCK the NCAA. Next to Congress, FIFA & the Olympic Committee, they're a bunch of crooks & hypocrites. They still want to pretend big-time college basketball / football is "amateur" athletics.......please. They also play favorites - they turned a blind eye to what Sam Gilbert did for John Wooden's "sainted" UCLA program, but they hounded Jerry Tarkanian for years.



Trust me - as a graduate of SMU and a current supporter of Ole Miss football, I know EXACTLY what a POS the NCAA is.

But I have yet to see a plan that compensates players fairly. For instance, we can probably figure out what Trae Young deserves, but what does Jordan Tucker of Duke, or Mike McGuirl of Kansas State deserve? (These are the two benchiest bench-players on those teams.)

And if you paid the players, would you still offer scholarships? I'm not sure the concept of giving a free ride to someone you are also going to be paying is workable. I'm sure those students who have to pay their own way AND are not going to get paid for anything they contribute to the school would have a problem with that.

It is NOT an easy issue. But definitely - F the NCAA. Do an image search sometime for "Cars driven by Alabama football players". I'm a major honk for the SEC but come on.

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Reply #9 posted 02/20/18 3:27pm

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RodeoSchro said:

uPtoWnNY said:

A free college education is nothing to sneeze at, but we're talking about a tournament that generated $1 billion last year. And if my name & likeness is being used to sell a school & merchandise, I want my cut - that's the American way (I thought). To me, these young men aren't "student-athletes", they're semi-pros (or hired guns). Most of them won't make the pros, so why not set up an account for the basketball & football players to draw upon when they leave school?

Let me say this - FUCK the NCAA. Next to Congress, FIFA & the Olympic Committee, they're a bunch of crooks & hypocrites. They still want to pretend big-time college basketball / football is "amateur" athletics.......please. They also play favorites - they turned a blind eye to what Sam Gilbert did for John Wooden's "sainted" UCLA program, but they hounded Jerry Tarkanian for years.



Trust me - as a graduate of SMU and a current supporter of Ole Miss football, I know EXACTLY what a POS the NCAA is.

But I have yet to see a plan that compensates players fairly. For instance, we can probably figure out what Trae Young deserves, but what does Jordan Tucker of Duke, or Mike McGuirl of Kansas State deserve? (These are the two benchiest bench-players on those teams.)

And if you paid the players, would you still offer scholarships? I'm not sure the concept of giving a free ride to someone you are also going to be paying is workable. I'm sure those students who have to pay their own way AND are not going to get paid for anything they contribute to the school would have a problem with that.

It is NOT an easy issue. But definitely - F the NCAA. Do an image search sometime for "Cars driven by Alabama football players". I'm a major honk for the SEC but come on.

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Rodeo, I think this is a good solution;

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/sports/a-way-to-start-paying-college-athletes.html

Something has to be done, because the current system is a joke and has been corrupt since the 1950's. When I see coaches getting million-dollar contracts plus phat sneaker deals, while these young men (many from poor & working-class backgrounds) get nothing, that shit is fucked up.

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Reply #10 posted 02/20/18 3:38pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

RodeoSchro said:



Trust me - as a graduate of SMU and a current supporter of Ole Miss football, I know EXACTLY what a POS the NCAA is.

But I have yet to see a plan that compensates players fairly. For instance, we can probably figure out what Trae Young deserves, but what does Jordan Tucker of Duke, or Mike McGuirl of Kansas State deserve? (These are the two benchiest bench-players on those teams.)

And if you paid the players, would you still offer scholarships? I'm not sure the concept of giving a free ride to someone you are also going to be paying is workable. I'm sure those students who have to pay their own way AND are not going to get paid for anything they contribute to the school would have a problem with that.

It is NOT an easy issue. But definitely - F the NCAA. Do an image search sometime for "Cars driven by Alabama football players". I'm a major honk for the SEC but come on.

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[Edited 2/20/18 12:29pm]

Rodeo, I think this is a good solution;

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/sports/a-way-to-start-paying-college-athletes.html

Something has to be done, because the current system is a joke and has been corrupt since the 1950's. When I see coaches getting million-dollar contracts plus phat sneaker deals, while these young men (many from poor & working-class backgrounds) get nothing, that shit is fucked up.



Thanks, interesting article! I like the idea about players being paid to endorse stuff, sign autogrpahs, etc. I'll read it more in-depth later.

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Reply #11 posted 02/23/18 9:48am

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Maybe we should not use the term madness.

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Reply #12 posted 02/23/18 3:38pm

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North Carolina is my favorite team!

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Reply #13 posted 02/23/18 11:04pm

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dance4me3121 said:

North Carolina is my favorite team!


Kentucky Wildcats is my fave team cool

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luv4u said:

dance4me3121 said:

North Carolina is my favorite team!


Kentucky Wildcats is my fave team cool

I love March Madness.

John C. and Kentucky are under investigation by the FBI as well as many other teams.

http://www.kentucky.com/s...32504.html

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

luv4u said:


Kentucky Wildcats is my fave team cool

I love March Madness.

John C. and Kentucky are under investigation by the FBI as well as many other teams.

http://www.kentucky.com/s...32504.html



Yeah they investigated the Louisville BB team. They are doing that to all teams which is good.

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Reply #16 posted 02/24/18 6:24pm

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RodeoSchro said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Rodeo, I think this is a good solution;

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/sports/a-way-to-start-paying-college-athletes.html

Something has to be done, because the current system is a joke and has been corrupt since the 1950's. When I see coaches getting million-dollar contracts plus phat sneaker deals, while these young men (many from poor & working-class backgrounds) get nothing, that shit is fucked up.



Thanks, interesting article! I like the idea about players being paid to endorse stuff, sign autogrpahs, etc. I'll read it more in-depth later.

Did you hear about the potential scandal involving Arizona's Sean Miller?

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luv4u said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I love March Madness.

John C. and Kentucky are under investigation by the FBI as well as many other teams.

http://www.kentucky.com/s...32504.html



Yeah they investigated the Louisville BB team. They are doing that to all teams which is good.

Lets do an OrgPool

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Reply #18 posted 02/26/18 11:28am

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luv4u said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I love March Madness.

John C. and Kentucky are under investigation by the FBI as well as many other teams.

http://www.kentucky.com/s...32504.html



Yeah they investigated the Louisville BB team. They are doing that to all teams which is good.

As long as the NCAA continues with their hypocrisy, I have no problem with athletes and their families getting money under the table.

The NBA shares the blame too - not allowing these young men to jump from high school to the pros is bullshit.

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dance4me3121 said:

North Carolina is my favorite team!

You mean, the University of National Champions! smile

Woot woot!

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Reply #20 posted 02/26/18 7:04pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

luv4u said:



Yeah they investigated the Louisville BB team. They are doing that to all teams which is good.

As long as the NCAA continues with their hypocrisy, I have no problem with athletes and their families getting money under the table.

The NBA shares the blame too - not allowing these young men to jump from high school to the pros is bullshit.

Agreed, agreed, this whole scandal thing is the NCAA picking and choosing who they want to mess with each year.

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Reply #21 posted 02/26/18 9:12pm

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The whole NBA versus NCAA is fraught with complications. I do think there should be something available for kids who don't want to go to college to have an opportunities, perhaps a farm team system like baseball. I also think the one and done players is not working for all involved, including the kids and the fans of both college and pro ball. That said, there are many more kids that are hurt by dropping out early to pursue their unrealistic NBA dreams than the minute number of kids who are hurt by having to stay one year of college before they succeed in the NBA. So few are ever successful compared to the ones who aren't.

The NCAA tournament is still an amazing event despite all the bs that surrounds college basketball. I love it when the teams that don't rely on the one and done players do well, such as Villinova and Gonzaga and that the most extreme one and done team - Kentucky - has only won once since that has become their essence.

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Reply #22 posted 02/27/18 3:40pm

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These three words describe the NCAA - "follow the money". They don't give a flying fuck about education. And if the NBA would let these kids go straight from HS to pro, you wouldn't have one-and-dones. If a young man feels that he's ready, who are we to tell him no? And if he fails, it's on him. That's life - dealing with the consequences of our decisions.

As for gandorb's idea of a farm system, the NBA & NFL already have one - it's called the NCAA, plus it's FREE.

KatSkrizzle nailed it about the NCAA playing favorites. John Wooden's UCLA program wasn't as saintly as folks think (look up Sam Gilbert), but nothing happened to them. Yet the NCAA hounded Jerry Tarkanian for years. Same thing in recent years - read this:

https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2018/2/20/17033002/ncaa-kansas-louisville-unc-fbi-auburn-arizona-sanctions

http://www.espn.com/nba/s...lternative

[Edited 2/27/18 15:48pm]

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uPtoWnNY said:

These three words describe the NCAA - "follow the money". They don't give a flying fuck about education. And if the NBA would let these kids go straight from HS to pro, you wouldn't have one-and-dones. If a young man feels that he's ready, who are we to tell him no? And if he fails, it's on him. That's life - dealing with the consequences of our decisions.



As for gandorb's idea of a farm system, the NBA & NFL already have one - it's called the NCAA, plus it's FREE.



KatSkrizzle nailed it about the NCAA playing favorites. John Wooden's UCLA program wasn't as saintly as folks think (look up Sam Gilbert), but nothing happened to them. Yet the NCAA hounded Jerry Tarkanian for years. Same thing in recent years - read this:



https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2018/2/20/17033002/ncaa-kansas-louisville-unc-fbi-auburn-arizona-sanctions




http://www.espn.com/nba/s...lternative



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Once they let Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant jump straight from high school to the NBA, the floodgates opened up for a lot of high school players, but for every KG, Kobe, and Lebron, you had busts like Kwame Brown, Jonathan Bender, Eddy Curry, and others who clearly weren't ready for the big time. Even the better high school to NBA players outside the big three I mentioned were just solid but not superstar players (Tyson Chandler, Jermaine O'Neal, Dwight Howard). So I'm not sure its a good idea to just let high school players jump back into the NBA. But the NBA clearly needs a decent development league, yet the one they currently have seems like a half-hearted attempt to develop a farm system for the pros.


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It's too bad the young men actually doing the work don't get a slice of the profits.


Which is exactly why I refuse to watch it anymore.
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Reply #25 posted 03/04/18 7:36am

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I agree that athletes should be more compensated. However, the method of doing so is even more complicated than establishing universal health-care in the US. A few of the complicating factors are:

-- Should just the sports that make money-typically football and men's basketball- get bonus stipends (athletes already get an expense stipend, free tuition, and many special academic services such a round the clock tutoring that the average student doesn't get)?

--Should it just be the stars on the teams that get extra benefits or everyone gets the same? How would this impact the team?

-- What about the numerous schools that don't turn a profit on basketball. There are plenty of places that basketball isn't popular, especially outside of the power conferences. They might have to quit having teams if a large stipend made the schools lose even more money.

-- The two schools that I support - LSU and University of Tennessee -- are rarities in that LSU baseball and the Lady Vols basketball actually make money. Does this mean that those teams should get money that their peers at other schools don't? Then the playing field would be even more unequal if so. If not, then it seems like gender discrimination against the women's basketball team if only the men get the rewards.

I could go on and on but this just gives me and probably the reader a headache wink . While a more equitable system is needed, I do think that some of basketball headaches would go away if the best players could opt for the NBA out of high school and then play in some farm system unless they are among the few who can play in the NBA right away. This works well in baseball. Baseball players who opt for college rather than the MLB contract out of school are expected to stay in college throughout their junior year. The interesting thing is that more and more high school baseball players are choosing to to to college unless they can get a huge signing bonus beforehand. Many of these players hone their skills so that they get bigger contracts after their college stint than they would after high school. Also, you never here the college baseball players whining about having to be in college. They chose that path. It is a win for everyone including the pros who have a better assessment of talent when these kids are 21 than when they were at 18.

Another idea that might not require as much work is to allow athletes to profit directly from the sale of school merchandise that has their name and/or number on it. When Shaquille O'Neal went to LSU, nearly everyone in town had LSU t-shirts with his name and number on it. While this approach may not be fair in terms of the other players, I think it addresses the fact that the current system exploits the stars more than anyone else. There would not be much money to be had in college basketball without players who were exciting to watch. I think the bench warmers who will never play pro ball already has a decent compensation, as they are getting a free ride to the degree of their choice that they will need for their future.

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gandorb said:

I agree that athletes should be more compensated. However, the method of doing so is even more complicated than establishing universal health-care in the US. A few of the complicating factors are:

-- Should just the sports that make money-typically football and men's basketball- get bonus stipends (athletes already get an expense stipend, free tuition, and many special academic services such a round the clock tutoring that the average student doesn't get)?

--Should it just be the stars on the teams that get extra benefits are everyone gets the same? How would this impact the team?

-- What about the numerous schools that don't turn a profit on basketball. There are plenty of places that basketball isn't popular, especially outside of the power conferences. They might have to quit having teams if a large stipend made the schools lose even more money.

-- The two schools that I support - LSU and University of Tennessee -- are rarities in that LSU baseball and the Lady Vols basketball actually make money. Does this mean that those teams should get money that their peers at other schools don't? Then the playing field would be even more unequal if so. If not, then it seems like gender discrimination against the women's basketball team if only the men get the rewards.

I could go on and on but this just gives me and probably the reader a headache wink . While a more equitable system is needed, I do think that some of basketball headaches would go away if the best players could opt for the NBA out of high school and then play in some farm system unless they are among the few who can play in the NBA right away. This works well in baseball. Baseball players who opt for college rather than the MLB contract out of school are expected to stay in college throughout their junior year. The interesting thing is that more and more high school baseball players are choosing to to to college unless they can get a huge signing bonus beforehand. Many of these players hone their skills so that they get bigger contracts after their college stint than they would after high school. Also, you never here the college baseball players whining about having to be in college. They chose that path. It is a win for everyone including the pros who have a better assessment of talent when these kids are 21 than when they were at 18.

Another idea that might not require as much work is to allow athletes to profit directly from the sale of school merchandise that has their name and/or number on it. When Shaquille O'Neal went to LSU, nearly everyone in town had LSU t-shirts with his name and number on it. While this approach may not be fair in terms of the other players, I think it addresses the fact that the current system exploits the stars more than anyone else. There would not be much money to be had in college basketball without players who were exciting to watch. I think the bench warmers who will never play pro ball already has a decent compensation, as they are getting a free ride to the degree of their choice that they will need for their future.

Great stuff - and we both agree a lot of problems could be solved if the NBA would stop the bullshit already. Forcing a young man with LeBron of KG talent to go college (when he doesn't want to be there) is joke. Nineteen year olds can go to war, but we can't let them decide if they want to play fucking basketball???? And if I hear one more commentator talk about education......please. The time to care about these young mens education was in K-8.

We all know the deal......March Madness is a cash cow. The NBA's not going to anything that might hurt the NCAA. Same with the NFL.

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Reply #27 posted 03/04/18 9:00pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

gandorb said:

I agree that athletes should be more compensated. However, the method of doing so is even more complicated than establishing universal health-care in the US. A few of the complicating factors are:

-- Should just the sports that make money-typically football and men's basketball- get bonus stipends (athletes already get an expense stipend, free tuition, and many special academic services such a round the clock tutoring that the average student doesn't get)?

--Should it just be the stars on the teams that get extra benefits are everyone gets the same? How would this impact the team?

-- What about the numerous schools that don't turn a profit on basketball. There are plenty of places that basketball isn't popular, especially outside of the power conferences. They might have to quit having teams if a large stipend made the schools lose even more money.

-- The two schools that I support - LSU and University of Tennessee -- are rarities in that LSU baseball and the Lady Vols basketball actually make money. Does this mean that those teams should get money that their peers at other schools don't? Then the playing field would be even more unequal if so. If not, then it seems like gender discrimination against the women's basketball team if only the men get the rewards.

I could go on and on but this just gives me and probably the reader a headache wink . While a more equitable system is needed, I do think that some of basketball headaches would go away if the best players could opt for the NBA out of high school and then play in some farm system unless they are among the few who can play in the NBA right away. This works well in baseball. Baseball players who opt for college rather than the MLB contract out of school are expected to stay in college throughout their junior year. The interesting thing is that more and more high school baseball players are choosing to to to college unless they can get a huge signing bonus beforehand. Many of these players hone their skills so that they get bigger contracts after their college stint than they would after high school. Also, you never here the college baseball players whining about having to be in college. They chose that path. It is a win for everyone including the pros who have a better assessment of talent when these kids are 21 than when they were at 18.

Another idea that might not require as much work is to allow athletes to profit directly from the sale of school merchandise that has their name and/or number on it. When Shaquille O'Neal went to LSU, nearly everyone in town had LSU t-shirts with his name and number on it. While this approach may not be fair in terms of the other players, I think it addresses the fact that the current system exploits the stars more than anyone else. There would not be much money to be had in college basketball without players who were exciting to watch. I think the bench warmers who will never play pro ball already has a decent compensation, as they are getting a free ride to the degree of their choice that they will need for their future.

Great stuff - and we both agree a lot of problems could be solved if the NBA would stop the bullshit already. Forcing a young man with LeBron of KG talent to go college (when he doesn't want to be there) is joke. Nineteen year olds can go to war, but we can't let them decide if they want to play fucking basketball???? And if I hear one more commentator talk about education......please. The time to care about these young mens education was in K-8.

We all know the deal......March Madness is a cash cow. The NBA's not going to anything that might hurt the NCAA. Same with the NFL.

I was listening to a Colin Cowherd podcast a few days ago. He made the point that NBA executives don't want their scouts in high school and AAU gyms.

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Reply #28 posted 03/07/18 12:13pm

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RodeoSchro said:

uPtoWnNY said:

It's too bad the young men actually doing the work don't get a slice of the profits.



But they get a free college education including room and board. As one who just paid for two of those, I can tell you it would cost that young man at least $50,000 if he was paying for it himself. And if he went to a private school like Duke?

Try $200,000.

I know where you're coming from but it's not like these guys aren't getting something of great value when they get a scholarship.

Think about this: what if the NCAA said, "OK, you get a cut of the money. But you have to pay for your college education out of your own pocket. And you have to pay just like everyone else does - each semester up front and in full. No special treatment for you just because you play ball". Do you think that would be good or bad for college athlete?

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But the scholarships don't cover all costs. They don't have time for much beyond school and sports, and they can't even take some of the decent jobs their civilian schoolmates can because it could be seen as inducements/wrongful payments. They have even *less* flexibility to earn outside income than the physics major on student loans. Yet they help generate BILLIONS in revenue for schools, conferences and broadcast partners.

The whole "they get a scholarship" argument not only needs fuller context, it also loses its potency as the money continues to expand.

IMHO, the collegiate system could start by covering ALL costs of attendance, which in comparison to the money they generate, is a pittance. Some type of trust (which was part of the proposed O'Bannon settlement) or post-collegiate benefits (like healthcare, which the NCAA already offers in many cases) would also go a long way.

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Reply #29 posted 03/08/18 11:28am

uPtoWnNY

namepeace said:

RodeoSchro said:



But they get a free college education including room and board. As one who just paid for two of those, I can tell you it would cost that young man at least $50,000 if he was paying for it himself. And if he went to a private school like Duke?

Try $200,000.

I know where you're coming from but it's not like these guys aren't getting something of great value when they get a scholarship.

Think about this: what if the NCAA said, "OK, you get a cut of the money. But you have to pay for your college education out of your own pocket. And you have to pay just like everyone else does - each semester up front and in full. No special treatment for you just because you play ball". Do you think that would be good or bad for college athlete?

.

[Edited 2/20/18 9:25am]


But the scholarships don't cover all costs. They don't have time for much beyond school and sports, and they can't even take some of the decent jobs their civilian schoolmates can because it could be seen as inducements/wrongful payments. They have even *less* flexibility to earn outside income than the physics major on student loans. Yet they help generate BILLIONS in revenue for schools, conferences and broadcast partners.

The whole "they get a scholarship" argument not only needs fuller context, it also loses its potency as the money continues to expand.

IMHO, the collegiate system could start by covering ALL costs of attendance, which in comparison to the money they generate, is a pittance. Some type of trust (which was part of the proposed O'Bannon settlement) or post-collegiate benefits (like healthcare, which the NCAA already offers in many cases) would also go a long way.

The NCAA had close to $1.1 billion in annual revenue during 2017;

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2018/03/07/ncaa-reports-revenues-more-than-1-billion-2017/402486002/

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