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Sexuality and Sexual ideals and beliefs

It is clear that people come from varying backgrounds whether it be national ethnic religious/non religious, coming of age in different time periods etc

If you are in the States and a specific state, how do people conduct themselves or what are community beliefs about or against sexuality. Same to those in different countries.

What are some things that you grew up with that you might find specific to you and yours or to your ethnic group or ideas formulated from religious spiritual or non religious ideals?

Do you think your ethnic cultures morals on sexual expression is the opposite of another group?

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Reply #1 posted 02/12/18 7:16pm

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I grew up in a home with a father that leaned more conservative and a mother that leaned more liberal. I don't mean that politically.

Disco house parties, love beads and a homemade disco ball was a part of my life. So was Methodist service on Sunday. A semi naked home. We were pretty comfortable with bodyparts, and my parents were pretty cool about discussing issues, especially if we saw something in a tv show or movie. 3 boys so my military father taught us a healthy respect for our mom. We went to church but where allowed to proceed with our own spiritual growth on our own. My brothers and I were pretty creative, so they let us explore life as freely as boys coming up in the 70s and 80s.


I remember when we first got cable... you know that 'box' where your zipped back in for to the channels. My parents giving us the talk on the does and do nots when and when not. And my father telling us that the channels that displayed more adult stuff was off limits. Then my mom saying 'but we can watch it' and my dad interjecting 'Honey?' as he looked at her.

Mom was cool.

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Reply #2 posted 02/14/18 4:23pm

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As a Gen X'er, my experiences in a post sexual revolution/post women's lib world was that few of my peers adopted their sexual ideals and beliefs from parents, religion or region, but rather from media and from each other.

One thing I learned in my experience, as a teen, as an adult, and twice married, is the old idea of women not wanting to have sex is out the window, replaced by a paradigm where women are as sexually agressive as men. Women are just as likely to ask a guy on a date, pick up a guy at a bar, or initiate sex as men. Similarly women are just as likely to openly converse about sex and their sex life as men. This seemed to be the norm way before the likes of Sex & The City or Amy Schumer.

If movies and the internet are to be believed, it seems even moreso with millenials. When I was younger (and porn was VHS & magazines), women were usually offended by porn. These days, with porn readily available on every device, it seems like younger women have a different point of view.

I haven't really noticed issues of different sexual ideals between religions, regions or ethnicity, only the differences between generations.

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Reply #3 posted 02/14/18 5:04pm

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I grew up in Dublin and was raised by my single mother (i never knew my father). My mother could be quite religious (when it suited her) but I remember going to her when I was about 10 and asking her was I wrong for liking women. Not only did she tell me it was normal, but she encouraged it and as I got older she encouraged me to be more adventurous. Not every girl can say that their mother taught them how to have an orgasm but it's one of the few useful things she taught me.

Likewise, nothing was off limits in terms of what we were allowed to watch on TV. It's perhaps more of a cultural thing because anyone else I know in my age group who grew up on the North side of Dublin was the same in that no matter how violent or sexually explicit a movie was, we watched it and talked about it the next day in school. Basic Instinct, Robocop, Reservoir Dogs etc. I seen them all before I had even started school. Sharon Stone was my first crush!
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Reply #4 posted 02/14/18 6:10pm

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I'm a girl who grew up when a lot of girls were having babies at 13/14/15 yo, it was an epidemic, they even had a daycare center at one of the high schools I went to trying to keep girls w/babies from dropping out. So I was brought up in church, even my own father who had no personal use for religious people insisted I conduct myself religiously, unless I got what he would say was too religious and then there were problems. I don't remember "gay" being a major focus in church as it seems to be today, I mean it was frowned upon but as equally as all the other "sins", like listening to secular music, in fact I heard more negativity about it from people who never attended church. I did have front row seats to a drama played out in my church with a very religious (from the waist up) father and his gay son, based on those around me, as much as being gay may have been frowned upon in general, the way he treated his son was seen as far worse. Rejecting and/or shunning your own children (in the name of God) wasn't acceptable, at least that's what I got. I hid being a Prince fan from my immediate family, my dad would have blown a gasket, except my religious play auntie who had a thing for country music herself knew, so she left me alone in my obsession.

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Reply #5 posted 02/14/18 6:28pm

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I grew up with two siblings and we've been raised by a single mother. She taught us early on that everyone is equal. I was also very young when I got introduced to explicit movies. My first explicit movie was scream or scary movie, however, there are sexual scenes and I never talked about that with my mother. I can't really remember if we ever had "that" talk. confused But I am not confused about that stuff, it's like I already got it when I first saw it. I don't know.

I also don't know if my mother told me that there is not only heterosexuality, but also Bi and homosexuality. But when I first got confrontated with it, I knew it was normal. I thought almost everything (except murder, robbery and rape), was normal. Sex between human beings is normal. period.

Because we never had that talk, I was scared to tell my mother that I am transsexual. Because I didn't know if that is normal. And I was afraid that she won't accept it. But she does.

However, not everyone in my family accepts homosexuality, my cousin is an asshole when it comes to that subject. He gives you that stereotypical homophobic speech.

It's the way he was raised, but it's interesting, because his brother is different. I think that tells us that it's all about what we take from what we get taught. That's the only way I can explain that. Because they've been raised by the same people. But they are totally different.

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You all seem to have grown up in pretty relaxed environments about sex

It is interesting hearing the backgrounds and varying points of view

...especially in putting it in connection to every one of us meeting 'UPTOWN'

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Reply #7 posted 02/15/18 8:15am

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Jordan Peterson is a major problem these days. His right wing views about sex are dangerous. Gender fluidity is no longer controversial.

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Reply #8 posted 02/15/18 8:49am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Jordan Peterson is a major problem these days. His right wing views about sex are dangerous. Gender fluidity is no longer controversial.


Elaborate. What has he said that is a "problem"? Which of his views are "dangerous"?

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Reply #9 posted 02/15/18 8:53am

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Men and women can't be in the same workplace. That.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Jordan Peterson is a major problem these days. His right wing views about sex are dangerous. Gender fluidity is no longer controversial.

I would like to hear from 2freaky about the 2Freaky4church upbringing

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2freaky4church1 said:

Men and women can't be in the same workplace. That.


Peterson said that? I'm going to need to see your source. Link?

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Reply #12 posted 02/15/18 9:30am

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From the Majority Report.

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Reply #13 posted 02/15/18 9:39am

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2freaky4church1 said:

From the Majority Report.


Link?

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Reply #14 posted 02/16/18 6:05am

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djThunderfunk said:

2freaky4church1 said:

From the Majority Report.


Link?

it's passive agressive posting

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OldFriends4Sale said:

djThunderfunk said:


Link?

it's passive agressive posting


Probably. I've found video of Peterson discussing the problems that arise from men and women working together and stating that he didn't know if we could overcome them, I could not find evidence of him definitively saying we cannot.

If 2freaky is correct he can prove it with a link. wink

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Reply #16 posted 02/16/18 8:26am

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From who me?

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2freaky4church1 said:

From who me?


Still waiting for the link.

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Reply #18 posted 02/16/18 9:49am

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will orgnote it.

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Reply #19 posted 02/16/18 9:59am

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2freaky4church1 said:

will orgnote it.

why can't you answer the question without turning the thread into another chase2Freaky down for an answer thread?

The thread topic didn't ask for what you are posting. It asked for a more personal discussion

Someone with an ID like 2Freaky4church cannot be that bashful and vanilla to talk about the discussion at hand.

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2freaky4church1 said:

will orgnote it.


Not to me you won't. I blocked your orgnotes a while back.

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Reply #21 posted 02/17/18 12:47am

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djThunderfunk said:

2freaky4church1 said:

will orgnote it.


Not to me you won't. I blocked your orgnotes a while back.



Oh snap...Hehe.

And, i will participate in the discussion(OP)...

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Reply #22 posted 02/18/18 7:12pm

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I hope I live to see the day that religion begins making claims about sexuality that is informed by
advances made in science as opposed to texts lacking knowledge and written thousands of years ago.

While I was a seminarian, I had a gay professor (he was a Jesuit) who left the order because the
Roman Catholic church told him that to be in love with his partner was permissible, but any physical
manifestation of that love was considered sinful. My heart broke for him.

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Reply #23 posted 02/19/18 6:23am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

It is clear that people come from varying backgrounds whether it be national ethnic religious/non religious, coming of age in different time periods etc

If you are in the States and a specific state, how do people conduct themselves or what are community beliefs about or against sexuality. Same to those in different countries.

What are some things that you grew up with that you might find specific to you and yours or to your ethnic group or ideas formulated from religious spiritual or non religious ideals?

Do you think your ethnic cultures morals on sexual expression is the opposite of another group?


I grew up in a traditional Catholic environment, but my family wasn't religious at all, more liberals but they still attended church for main religious events such as Easter, Christmas etc. Within our 'Catholic' community, it was evident that the majority of people including the children did not believe in God and were almost embarrassed to admit to any christian belief, yet they scrupulously followed every single ceremony (baptism, communion, etc) and Church every Sunday. They also frowned upon those who didn't.

Despite their customs, the views, morals and behaviours within this particular community were so varied and often so different from their religious teachings that it would be very difficult to categorise their sexual ideals and beliefs as a unified group. Each and everyone of them, myself included, had their own individual belief system based on their own experiences.

I think this is because communities which form a part of the Western society as a whole, tend to have a more tolerant approach towards morality and sexuality. Yet, there is an interesting contrast between these laid-back attitudes and the strong desire for the community to maintain a certain cohesion as a group through traditional events and gatherings such as Sunday church attendance and respect of the ceremonies and of course, marriage. It is almost as if people prioritise behaviour conformity and unity over moral messages.

I have travelled to a lot of Western countries and I have observed the same group adherence pattern in every community I have visited. And again, as individuals, a lot of these community 'members' or citizens, had their own unique belief systems and approach to life, based on their own understanding and experiences which impacted on their relationship with other people.

I think television and the media (and now the internet) have all played a crucial role in the shaping of modern moral views, and sexuality in particular.

[Edited 2/19/18 8:26am]

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would you say you have 1. become a little conservative as you've gotten older 2. become more liberal as you've gotten older 3. pretty much stayed the same

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Reply #25 posted 03/09/18 6:32am

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Where I live the general attitude more conservative. At least on the surface. I find that some of the most publicly uptite are less restrianed in private.

Where I work is much more liberal.

I am even less worried about who is sleeping with whom and who gets married.

I do not get why anyone would care? I get some are put off by the "ick" factor...but would that not also go for 'ugly' people? Or old? To me, when someone freaks out over who someone is with I want to know 'why are you imagining them doing it?' (which seems like the only real reason why anyone would object)

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OldFriends4Sale said:

would you say you have 1. become a little conservative as you've gotten older 2. become more liberal as you've gotten older 3. pretty much stayed the same

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Always had the same values, but became more confident in applying them as I got older. I used to be more aquiescent and did what others did in order to blend in, even though deep down my heart was not in agreement. Now I don't care about what others think and I feel freer and happier.

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Reply #27 posted 03/09/18 7:07am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

would you say you have 1. become a little conservative as you've gotten older 2. become more liberal as you've gotten older 3. pretty much stayed the same

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with sexuality about the same as always. I think my taste is music has something to do with that.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Huffpost has this 83 year old man who masterbates in a recent porn video with two hot guys.

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Most people have false beliefs. America is awash in propaganda.

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