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Another mass shooting in Florida, part 2

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Another mass school shooting in Florida.

http://prince.org/msg/105/452121

Nothing much to say. Still updating. 16 dead so far, which is horrible, on Ash Wednesday. omg.

Former student, 18, showed other kids his gun collection. He was a so called troubled kid which means nothing. Obviously if you kill a bunch of people you are messed up. Just awful. Our society is falling apart I'm afraid and we should not debate guns, we have to stop gun culture now.

The shooter was caught alive. Bastard. He may be Cuban.

Hate to be political but this stuff is happening more under this fiend President.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #1 posted 02/23/18 1:02pm

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improve school and class security.

Doors that open in with a locking system inside the room

Areas in rooms that are stronger than basic walls for a place to hide

doors into the building are locked and have to be open remotely and direct all visitors to the main doors and keep them locked from inside.


let states/districts decide to have armed staff or not


Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #2 posted 02/23/18 1:12pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:


improve school and class security.

Doors that open in with a locking system inside the room

Areas in rooms that are stronger than basic walls for a place to hide

doors into the building are locked and have to be open remotely and direct all visitors to the main doors and keep them locked from inside.


let states/districts decide to have armed staff or not





Every single thing you just listed requires money for every single school in America. Yet, a huge percentage of the schools aren't getting enough money to pay for adequate printer ink and paper. I'm speak as a mom who came out of pocket quite a few times over the years for 2 children in school. Who gets to pay for all of this, who will make sure they stay well maintained in a system that complains about how much toilet paper it has to pay for????

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Reply #3 posted 02/23/18 1:15pm

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morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:


improve school and class security.

Doors that open in with a locking system inside the room

Areas in rooms that are stronger than basic walls for a place to hide

doors into the building are locked and have to be open remotely and direct all visitors to the main doors and keep them locked from inside.


let states/districts decide to have armed staff or not





Every single thing you just listed requires money for every single school in America. Yet, a huge percentage of the schools aren't getting enough money to pay for adequate printer ink and paper. I'm speak as a mom who came out of pocket quite a few times over the years for 2 children in school. Who gets to pay for all of this, who will make sure they stay well maintained in a system that complains about how much toilet paper it has to pay for????

most but not all. and isn't the cost worth it? I want to make schools safer. why are you arguing against that?


what is your solution?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #4 posted 02/23/18 1:18pm

morningsong

OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:




Every single thing you just listed requires money for every single school in America. Yet, a huge percentage of the schools aren't getting enough money to pay for adequate printer ink and paper. I'm speak as a mom who came out of pocket quite a few times over the years for 2 children in school. Who gets to pay for all of this, who will make sure they stay well maintained in a system that complains about how much toilet paper it has to pay for????

most but not all. and isn't the cost worth it? I want to make schools safer. why are you arguing against that?


what is your solution?



Because I know that anything proposed that's going to cost millions if not billions of dollars to impliment is just nice sounding talk, and will not be put into place or will get a whole lot of fanfare but will not be maintained for years to come. It's a system I know quite well, I've dealt with it for years.

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Reply #5 posted 02/23/18 1:23pm

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morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

most but not all. and isn't the cost worth it? I want to make schools safer. why are you arguing against that?


what is your solution?



Because I know that anything proposed that's going to cost millions if not billions of dollars to impliment is just nice sounding talk, and will not be put into place or will get a whole lot of fanfare but will not be maintained for years to come. It's a system I know quite well, I've dealt with it for years.

a then provide some ideas.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #6 posted 02/23/18 1:30pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:



Because I know that anything proposed that's going to cost millions if not billions of dollars to impliment is just nice sounding talk, and will not be put into place or will get a whole lot of fanfare but will not be maintained for years to come. It's a system I know quite well, I've dealt with it for years.

a then provide some ideas.

Regulate guns.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
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Reply #7 posted 02/23/18 1:36pm

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13cjk13 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

a then provide some ideas.

Regulate guns.

they already are

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #8 posted 02/23/18 1:40pm

morningsong

OnlyNDaUsa said:

13cjk13 said:

Regulate guns.

they already are



Obviously something in those regulations is broken and needs to be seriously overhauled in a big way because the problem is steadily growing worse while people keep armchairing it.

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Reply #9 posted 02/23/18 1:41pm

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morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

they already are



Obviously something in those regulations is broken and needs to be seriously overhauled in a big way because the problem is steadily growing worse while people keep armchairing it.

then you want more regulations:

such as?


Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #10 posted 02/23/18 1:43pm

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You're either on the side of the shooters or the side of the victims.

The NRA is on the side of the shooters.

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Reply #11 posted 02/23/18 1:45pm

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You're either on the side of the shooters or the side of the victims.

The NRA is on the side of the shooters.

The right wing in this country are on the side of the shooters. They love guns and don't care if children are massacred.

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Reply #12 posted 02/23/18 1:59pm

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13cjk13 said:

RodeoSchro said:

You're either on the side of the shooters or the side of the victims.

The NRA is on the side of the shooters.

The right wing in this country are on the side of the shooters. They love guns and don't care if children are massacred.



They're on the side of the shooters and they love guns. They don't want to see children massacred; it's just that they value their guns more than they value the children.

Bill O'Reilly said that mass shootings like Las Vegas are "the price of freedom".

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Reply #13 posted 02/23/18 3:04pm

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oh and any new restrictive gun control laws will cost millions too!

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #14 posted 02/23/18 3:08pm

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RodeoSchro said:

13cjk13 said:

The right wing in this country are on the side of the shooters. They love guns and don't care if children are massacred.



They're on the side of the shooters and they love guns. They don't want to see children massacred; it's just that they value their guns more than they value the children.

Bill O'Reilly said that mass shootings like Las Vegas are "the price of freedom".


Exactly. Its as simple as that. And Sandy Hook convinced me of that fact. Little children were slaughtered, and most of those gun worshippers did nothing.

Talk about Idolatry and deception...

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Reply #15 posted 02/23/18 3:09pm

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RodeoSchro said:

13cjk13 said:

The right wing in this country are on the side of the shooters. They love guns and don't care if children are massacred.



They're on the side of the shooters and they love guns. They don't want to see children massacred; it's just that they value their guns more than they value the children.

Bill O'Reilly said that mass shootings like Las Vegas are "the price of freedom".

so you are backtracking some... but still, you are wrong... they do not value guns over kids. It is actually more complex than that.

And as crass it was...freedom is not free.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #16 posted 02/23/18 3:50pm

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cool

[Edited 2/23/18 18:23pm]

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #17 posted 02/23/18 4:36pm

morningsong

OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:



Obviously something in those regulations is broken and needs to be seriously overhauled in a big way because the problem is steadily growing worse while people keep armchairing it.

then you want more regulations:

such as?




I went back looking for the posting where someone pointed out what it takes to legally drive in this country. Sounds like an interesting place to start to me.

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Reply #18 posted 02/23/18 5:18pm

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morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

then you want more regulations:

such as?




I went back looking for the posting where someone pointed out what it takes to legally drive in this country. Sounds like an interesting place to start to me.

so you can openly carry one at 16 and only need to take one test...and no required practical test over 18 years old. Nationwide reciprocity. No age requirement to own. You can take them to schools. You can buy bullets at all over town. No rules to sell them. no background checks to buy them.

[Edited 2/23/18 17:19pm]

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #19 posted 02/23/18 5:35pm

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Violence just didn't pop up in the U.S. The nation has always been violent, it was founded on violence. Cruz was a white supremacist; when you support and condone the killing of others things kinda boomerang. wink

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Reply #20 posted 02/23/18 5:50pm

morningsong

OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:



I went back looking for the posting where someone pointed out what it takes to legally drive in this country. Sounds like an interesting place to start to me.

so you can openly carry one at 16 and only need to take one test...and no required practical test over 18 years old. Nationwide reciprocity. No age requirement to own. You can take them to schools. You can buy bullets at all over town. No rules to sell them. no background checks to buy them.

[Edited 2/23/18 17:19pm]



At this point one doesn't need a license let alone having to take a test to prove they know how to handle one safely something one cannot do legally with a car. Obviously, it wouldn't be the exact same way so I think what you wrote was dumb because you think I didn't notice you didn't acknowledge I said "to start" not "exactly like" yet there you go doing a line by line comparison. If there isn't going to be serious well thought out compromises, then I say to those 15, 16, 17 year olds coming up and getting very politically involved keep pushing until they are completely banned. The only thing in this world that stays the same is change, 2nd amendment be damned.

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Reply #21 posted 02/24/18 6:10am

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Only, quit trolling.

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Reply #22 posted 02/24/18 6:19am

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By the way I'm a very good shooter. Irony abounds I know.

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Reply #23 posted 02/24/18 6:30am

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How about that unhinged speech from Drumpt.

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Reply #24 posted 02/24/18 6:48am

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TD3 said:

Violence just didn't pop up in the U.S. The nation has always been violent, it was founded on violence. Cruz was a white supremacist; when you support and condone the killing of others things kinda boomerang. wink

Well that is the human race TD3. I don't know of any country or nation that wasn't violent or founded on violence or conquering other nations/people.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

TD3 said:

Violence just didn't pop up in the U.S. The nation has always been violent, it was founded on violence. Cruz was a white supremacist; when you support and condone the killing of others things kinda boomerang. wink

Well that is the human race TD3. I don't know of any country or nation that wasn't violent or founded on violence or conquering other nations/people.

I live through Jim Crow save me the excuse of what other people or nation have done. I'm not speaking about th World. I'm speaking about this nation. As the former President said, "Who Clings to its guns and its "religion." Again... this a nation supports and condones violence based on class, gender, and race. We very seldom give a shit until people move outside those respective categories. Cruz was aiming his gun at the wrong group of people.,he should've joined his local police force. That's what happens when you preach hate, like blood it can spread to areas once thought they were immune to such things.

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TD3 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well that is the human race TD3. I don't know of any country or nation that wasn't violent or founded on violence or conquering other nations/people.

I live through Jim Crow save me the excuse of what other people or nation have done. I'm not speaking about th World. I'm speaking about this nation. As the former President said, "Who Clings to its guns and its "religion." Again... this a nation supports and condones violence based on class, gender, and race. We very seldom give a shit until people move outside those respective categories. Cruz was aiming his gun at the wrong group of people.,he should've joined his local police force. That's what happens when you preach hate, like blood it can spread to areas once thought they were immune to such things.


Seriously? Don't we have enough fucked up, dangerous people becoming police officers? The last thing we need is a nut like Cruz having a badge.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #27 posted 02/24/18 7:19am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



They're on the side of the shooters and they love guns. They don't want to see children massacred; it's just that they value their guns more than they value the children.

Bill O'Reilly said that mass shootings like Las Vegas are "the price of freedom".

so you are backtracking some... but still, you are wrong... they do not value guns over kids. It is actually more complex than that.

And as crass it was...freedom is not free.

They clearly value guns over EVERYTHING. Period. Oh, maybe they don't "want" to see children massacred, but they will definitely choose their beloved guns over their children. Fuck them.

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Reply #28 posted 02/24/18 8:10am

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13cjk13 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you are backtracking some... but still, you are wrong... they do not value guns over kids. It is actually more complex than that.

And as crass it was...freedom is not free.

They clearly value guns over EVERYTHING. Period. Oh, maybe they don't "want" to see children massacred, but they will definitely choose their beloved guns over their children. Fuck them.

that is really not at all what it is about and you should know it is not an effective means to make your point.


have you offered a single idea with any thought or detail put it to it other than you hate guns?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #29 posted 02/24/18 8:13am

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TD3 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well that is the human race TD3. I don't know of any country or nation that wasn't violent or founded on violence or conquering other nations/people.

I live through Jim Crow save me the excuse of what other people or nation have done. I'm not speaking about th World. I'm speaking about this nation. As the former President said, "Who Clings to its guns and its "religion." Again... this a nation supports and condones violence based on class, gender, and race. We very seldom give a shit until people move outside those respective categories. Cruz was aiming his gun at the wrong group of people.,he should've joined his local police force. That's what happens when you preach hate, like blood it can spread to areas once thought they were immune to such things.

not true at all.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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