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Trump unleashes new political earthquake with FBI spy charge

https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has wrenched the United States back to the brink of a constitutional showdown after a weekend of rage culminated in his demand for an investigation into claims that the Obama administration inserted a spy in his 2016 campaign.

Trump's power play injected fresh intensity into his escalating political offensive against the Justice Department and renewed worries he is barging across long-held boundaries between the judicial system and the Oval Office.


Why Trump's Latest Twitter Meltdown Is Especially Disturbing

President Trump was planning to head to Camp David this past weekend, but, as you probably now realize, that did not happen. Nor did Trump hit the links at any of his golf properties, which means he spent Saturday and Sunday largely alone inside the White House, left to his own devices. Chief among those devices is Twitter, which he used to broadcast perhaps his most spectacular meltdown of the year over the latest developments in the Mueller investigation.


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Reply #1 posted 05/21/18 11:28am

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how is what he is doing any different than the nothing burger that is Russian collusion?

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Reply #2 posted 05/21/18 1:45pm

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The parallels between his actions and President Nixon's actions are staggering.

I'm no Steve Bannon fan but I think he was right on the money when he predicted Trump would not serve out this term.

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Reply #3 posted 05/21/18 1:49pm

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RodeoSchro said:

The parallels between his actions and President Nixon's actions are staggering.

I'm no Steve Bannon fan but I think he was right on the money when he predicted Trump would not serve out this term.


I will believe that when it happens lol

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Reply #4 posted 05/21/18 1:58pm

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Twitter user @Mikebarnicle tweeted something very interesting.


Read Sunday AM tweets from : they are a portrait of a man alone, paranoid, isolated, hearing the footsteps, anxious, untrusting, knowing what will be revealed, intent on creating diversions, consumed with his own future, not the country’s.

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Reply #5 posted 05/21/18 2:51pm

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Every leak is a spy and there are tons of them. lol

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Reply #6 posted 05/21/18 3:15pm

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Twitter user @Mikebarnicle tweeted something very interesting.


Read Sunday AM tweets from : they are a portrait of a man alone, paranoid, isolated, hearing the footsteps, anxious, untrusting, knowing what will be revealed, intent on creating diversions, consumed with his own future, not the country’s.

Nailed it.



Mike Barnicle is a journalist who appears on "Morning Joe" two or three days a week.

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Reply #7 posted 05/21/18 3:22pm

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RodeoSchro said:

The parallels between his actions and President Nixon's actions are staggering.

I'm no Steve Bannon fan but I think he was right on the money when he predicted Trump would not serve out this term.

yes, that is true...the fact that both nixon and the obama admin (or federal officials under him) abused the power entrusted to them for political gain.

it is looking more and more like in the end trump will be exonerated and some who served under barack will be implicated in some wrong doing.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:

The parallels between his actions and President Nixon's actions are staggering.

I'm no Steve Bannon fan but I think he was right on the money when he predicted Trump would not serve out this term.

yes, that is true...the fact that both nixon and the obama admin (or federal officials under him) abused the power entrusted to them for political gain.

it is looking more and more like in the end trump will be exonerated and some who served under barack will be implicated in some wrong doing.


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Reply #9 posted 05/21/18 5:16pm

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RodeoSchro said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Twitter user @Mikebarnicle tweeted something very interesting.


Nailed it.



Mike Barnicle is a journalist who appears on "Morning Joe" two or three days a week.


Ah, ok. He showed up in my feed because someone else RT'd it.

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Reply #10 posted 05/21/18 5:21pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes, that is true...the fact that both nixon and the obama admin (or federal officials under him) abused the power entrusted to them for political gain.

it is looking more and more like in the end trump will be exonerated and some who served under barack will be implicated in some wrong doing.


spit

haha you like how I twisted that!? Ha! but really there is zero evidence to support that trump or anyone on his team broke the law. It is all about just making stuff up and then trying to make up stuff and hope to find something... and there IS evidence that Trump was being watched... and there is evidence that was based on known questionable evidence.

now there are 3 basic possibles: 1) trump (or someone on his team) broke a law and will have to answer (and none of the charges are related to any of that) 2) they will find nothing at it will all go away or 3) they will find little if anything on team trump and it will be official from the obama years that will have some explaining to do.



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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


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haha you like how I twisted that!? Ha! but really there is zero evidence to support that trump or anyone on his team broke the law. It is all about just making stuff up and then trying to make up stuff and hope to find something... and there IS evidence that Trump was being watched... and there is evidence that was based on known questionable evidence.

now there are 3 basic possibles: 1) trump (or someone on his team) broke a law and will have to answer (and none of the charges are related to any of that) 2) they will find nothing at it will all go away or 3) they will find little if anything on team trump and it will be official from the obama years that will have some explaining to do.




The truth is you do not know what evidence there is or isn't because the investigation is currently ongoing.

You do relalize that several people have been indicted and some have plead guilty already during this investigation... oh, right. They do not report FACTS on Fox News.


Nevah mind.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

haha you like how I twisted that!? Ha! but really there is zero evidence to support that trump or anyone on his team broke the law. It is all about just making stuff up and then trying to make up stuff and hope to find something... and there IS evidence that Trump was being watched... and there is evidence that was based on known questionable evidence.

now there are 3 basic possibles: 1) trump (or someone on his team) broke a law and will have to answer (and none of the charges are related to any of that) 2) they will find nothing at it will all go away or 3) they will find little if anything on team trump and it will be official from the obama years that will have some explaining to do.




The truth is you do not know what evidence there is or isn't because the investigation is currently ongoing.

You do relalize that several people have been indicted and some have plead guilty already during this investigation... oh, right. They do not report FACTS on Fox News.


Nevah mind.

but none of them were related to the original investigation.

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Reply #13 posted 05/21/18 6:25pm

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They do not report FACTS on Fox News.


Nevah mind.


And often what people forget a couple of things about any news network. People like Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow are just people with opinions. They're commentators. Whereas folks like Anderson Cooper or Shepard Smith (the token gay at Fox News) are news anchors.

The trick either network does is pepper news shows in between commentary shows. So it all comes across as news. They all look the same. Same banners, scrolls, graphics. People are easily confused or tricked into thinking Rachel Maddow's opinion is news, or that Sean Hannity is ..whatever he pretends to be on-air. That's where the line blurs with truth or fiction. No doubt Fox and friends aren't friends with the truth, not that CNN or MSNBC are fact-checking their shit by 3 blind tests.

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Reply #14 posted 05/21/18 8:05pm

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The truth is you do not know what evidence there is or isn't because the investigation is currently ongoing.

You do relalize that several people have been indicted and some have plead guilty already during this investigation... oh, right. They do not report FACTS on Fox News.


Nevah mind.

but none of them were related to the original investigation.

My god, are you not EXHAUSTED defending this garbage?

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Reply #15 posted 05/21/18 8:48pm

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Nothing at all to do with the Russian investigation....or is it?

However, Mueller's team submitted a previously undisclosed memo to a federal court in Washington showing that a few months after Mueller was appointed last May, Rosenstein gave him explicit authority to target Manafort over the financial aspects of his lobbying work for the Ukrainian government — in addition to allegations he was linked to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."


However, the new court filing seeks to downplay the notion that Mueller is a rogue operator roving far and wide in search of crimes to prosecute.

"The Appointment Order validly defines the Special Counsel’s jurisdiction, and the indictment in this case falls well within the Special Counsel’s authority," Mueller's team wrote. They also revealed that before the tax-related charges were brought, lawyers in the Justice Department's Tax Division approved them, and before the foreign-lobbying charges were filed, attorneys in Justice's National Security Division signed off.

Prosecutors also pushed back against Manafort's argument that he would have never been prosecuted if Mueller wasn't brought in as a special counsel, although they did not explicitly reject the possibility that Manafort's role in the Trump campaign and the allegations of Russian interference led the Justice Department to dust off allegations that prosecutors had previously put on the back burner.


https://www.politico.com/...ves-497701

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Reply #16 posted 05/21/18 9:01pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


The truth is you do not know what evidence there is or isn't because the investigation is currently ongoing.

You do relalize that several people have been indicted and some have plead guilty already during this investigation... oh, right. They do not report FACTS on Fox News.


Nevah mind.

but none of them were related to the original investigation.


Yes, it was related to the original investigation. These were indictments that resulted from the investigation and falls under (ii) of the original order for the appointment of the special counsel. The original order for the special counsel states:


(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

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benni said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

but none of them were related to the original investigation.


Yes, it was related to the original investigation. These were indictments that resulted from the investigation and falls under (ii) of the original order for the appointment of the special counsel. The original order for the special counsel states:


(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).


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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


The truth is you do not know what evidence there is or isn't because the investigation is currently ongoing.

You do relalize that several people have been indicted and some have plead guilty already during this investigation... oh, right. They do not report FACTS on Fox News.


Nevah mind.

but none of them were related to the original investigation.


Pay Attention.


Initially, Watergate was about a simple office burglary.


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LOL what is funny is all I said was there is not anything to this yet.... and some of y'all make up that there is or must be... but then refuse to accept that someone else was found to have 10,000s of violations of the law and to you all that was nothing...

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we'll see...some of the few things we do know: Trump said that he or his building was being wiretapped... he was mocked... and then it was proven to be true.

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Reply #22 posted 05/22/18 6:08am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

yawn

we'll see...some of the few things we do know: Trump said that he or his building was being wiretapped... he was mocked... and then it was proven to be true.


No, it wasn't.

There is no evidence showing that Trump tower was wiretapped. Manafort was being monitored, but there is nothing to show that Trump Tower was wiretapped to monitor Manafort there.

FactCheck.org:


There is still no evidence that Obama ordered wiretapping of Trump or Trump Tower. Trump misrepresented the process in his tweets. Under the law, the Justice Department and FBI submit a request to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, which authorizes the wiretapping. Obama would have no role in requesting or approving a wiretap. The CNN story said that the Justice Department and FBI obtained a FISA court order to conduct surveillance of Manafort – not Trump. And there’s no evidence that even Manafort was wiretapped while at Trump Tower. The CNN story said, “While Manafort has a residence in Trump Tower, it’s unclear whether FBI surveillance of him took place there.”

There is no evidence that any of Trump’s conversations were picked up by the FBI, but if they were that would have been “incidental collection” of information. Nunes said in March that he reviewed “intelligence reports” that show “incidental collection” on some unnamed Trump transition team members. Nunes said he did not know if any of Trump’s conversations were picked up during surveillance. The CNN story also said, “It’s unclear whether Trump himself was picked up on the surveillance.”

Incidental collection of information is legal with a FISA court order. Trump claimed that Obama was responsible for illegal Watergate-style wiretapping, but CNN wrote that the FISA court authorized the wiretapping of Manafort. That would make the incidental collection of information on Trump, or anyone else, perfectly legal. Nunes made the same point in March.

We don’t know exactly when the alleged wiretapping of Manafort occurred. The CNN story said there were two instances when the FBI obtained a FISA warrant. The first was in 2014, before Manafort joined the Trump campaign. But CNN said that “it is unclear when the new warrant started.” Did it occur while Manafort was a member of the Trump campaign team? Did it occur during “the very sacred election process,” as Trump tweeted? We don’t know.

There is still much that we don’t know about the ongoing federal investigation into Russia and the Trump campaign. It may be that Manafort — as CNN reported — was the target of a court-ordered wiretap. It may even turn out that Trump was inadvertently picked up if he spoke to Manafort when the court order was in place.

But there is no evidence to support Trump’s tweets accusing Obama of illegally wiretapping his phones. That was the case in March, and it remains so. However, we will continue to monitor developments and provide updates when necessary.


And then, there is this:


A watchdog group called American Oversight filed suit against the Department of Justice in April, seeking to obtain any documents related to the alleged wiretaps as described in Trump’s March 4 tweets. On Sept. 1, the Justice Department filed a summary motion seeking to have the suit dismissed, saying the FBI and the National Security Division confirmed they had no record that would support Trump’s tweets.

“Both FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets,” the Justice Department motion said. “FBI again confirmed that they do not have any such records by consulting with personnel knowledgeable about Director Comey’s statements and the surveillance activities of the FBI.”

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Reply #23 posted 05/22/18 6:16am

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CBS news this morning - Trump is using unsecured phones in the White House. He has rejected phone security measures as "too inconvenient".

'Everybody Is Listening': Tech Expert Explains Why Trump's Reported Unsecured Phone Use Is So Dangerous


Trump spent the entire campaign attacking Hillary Clinton for her unsecured emails. But his behavior doesn't look much better.

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This shit works, the fools approval is going up.

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This shit works, the fools approval is going up.

people are tired of the endless lies being told and constant attack against him... this investigation is desperately hunting for anything to get him on. that is why they want to talk to him...

in another topic i said he should not talk and someone said he will have to and I said he will take the 5th and they said 'he can't' LOL yes he can. and even selectively (with overnight)

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Reply #26 posted 05/22/18 11:23am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

This shit works, the fools approval is going up.

people are tired of the endless lies being told and constant attack against him... this investigation is desperately hunting for anything to get him on. that is why they want to talk to him...

in another topic i said he should not talk and someone said he will have to and I said he will take the 5th and they said 'he can't' LOL yes he can. and even selectively (with overnight)


And the rest of the world are tired of Trump's endless lies being told and his constant attacks against others.

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We have a president who has never been faithful to any of his three wives.

We have a president who has tried to fuck another man's wife.

We have a president who cannot and never ever will be able to claim he's the honest one in this arena.

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Reply #28 posted 05/22/18 4:51pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

but none of them were related to the original investigation.


My god, are you not EXHAUSTED defending this garbage?

falloff That's the sick part. He's invigorated by people in actual mental or physical pain, including other posters. Gun threads invigorate him, the right to feel like an equal human to everyone else is scorned and suffocated.

Trump IS his perfect president. Gag.

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Reply #29 posted 05/23/18 6:00am

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Trump keeps crying victim - that is his narrative. wah wah wah wah bawl bawl bawl bawl

"Spygate" rolleyes

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