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Thread started 06/05/18 7:41am

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Thaddeus Russell: MLK hated black culture. omg

This could be true:

We look to him for morals not music criticism. lol

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Reply #1 posted 06/05/18 8:05am

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Is there a big machine somewhere firing out these little podcast twats in batches? Because there seems to be an unending supply of them.

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Reply #2 posted 06/05/18 8:37am

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What about what he said?

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Reply #3 posted 06/05/18 8:37am

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Remember, I'm the radical here.

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Reply #4 posted 06/05/18 8:51am

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2freaky4church1 said:

What about what he said?

The idea that he's making some kind of 'edgy' claims that makes the liberal establishment quake. In reality, it's entirely unremarkable to comment about MLK's cultural tastes. (Who would care that he did or didn't like rock 'n' roll?) In his politics, he was far from conservative and very much a radical. Unless numbnuts is making a claim about that, it's a banal point.

It all seems to trundle on in that banal but self-congratulatory vein, with him speaking like he's delivering the Lord's own Gospel.

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Reply #5 posted 06/05/18 8:53am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Remember, I'm the radical here.

How could I forget, dear? kotc

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Reply #6 posted 06/05/18 8:57am

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King was an advocate of "respectability politics". I doubt that he hated Black culture. In fact , he told Aretha Franklin that she was a great symbol for the cause.

However, lots of religious church oriented Black people, especially in the South, are culturally "Conservative", and opposed to what they saw as the "sinfulness" of the Blues and R&B and Jazz

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Reply #7 posted 06/05/18 9:08am

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Russell is saying culture makes people. When you diss culture you diss those people's humanity. I do agree that MLK had bigger fish to fry then to be culturally current. By the way Chomsky is also culturally conservative and look how I still love him.

Russell, by the way thinks Chomsky is totalitarian. lol

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Reply #8 posted 06/05/18 9:08am

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Deebee, u still my boy.

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Reply #9 posted 06/05/18 9:09am

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I'm bracing for 2Elijah. hahha

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Reply #10 posted 06/06/18 12:52pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

I'm bracing for 2Elijah. hahha


Keep bracing. The thing is, unless MLK actually said that, and there is enough evidence behind it, then I’ll believe it. But right now, no. Reason: Because that depends on what type of Black culture that guy is referencing. MLK seems to have connected more with Southern Black culture, a culture he was born and raised into.

There are variations of Black culture, depending on where one is born in this country or outside of it, and how one is raised/the customs that connects one to Black culture as a ‘whole.’ Black culture doesn’t start and stop in the U.S.

Southern, Northern Black cultures etc., Black Caribbean and African cultures for example, all fall under the umbrella of Black culture, but they also share a similar history. So not sure why MLK would despise a culture he was raised in, yet for the rights for many who were/are connected to Black culture.
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Reply #11 posted 06/06/18 2:42pm

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2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

I'm bracing for 2Elijah. hahha

Keep bracing. The thing is, unless MLK actually said that, and there is enough evidence behind it, then I’ll believe it. But right now, no. Reason: Because that depends on what type of Black culture that guy is referencing. MLK seems to have connected more with Southern Black culture, a culture he was born and raised into. There are variations of Black culture, depending on where one is born in this country or outside of it, and how one is raised/the customs that connects one to Black culture as a ‘whole.’ Black culture doesn’t start and stop in the U.S. Southern, Northern Black cultures etc., Black Caribbean and African cultures for example, all fall under the umbrella of Black culture, but they also share a similar history. So not sure why MLK would despise a culture he was raised in, yet for the rights for many who were/are connected to Black culture. [Edited 6/6/18 13:51pm]

And the thing is, there is NO ONE Black culture

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Reply #12 posted 06/07/18 6:33am

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2Elijah did real good there. I'd suspect Russell meant popular culture in the black community as a whole: Soul, blues, jazz, rock, rap, dancing, black preaching--which MLK certainly did, albeit with an intellectual bent.

MLK was middle class, not his fault. Russell just likes to be a wasp in the jello.

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Reply #13 posted 06/07/18 6:41am

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I do want to say a lot of our culture is forced on us by corporate America.

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Reply #14 posted 06/13/18 7:07pm

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Once again a white man making simple mined argument about my people our cultural he doesn't understand or know anything about. Yet, he's pushing his bullshit as fact. I'd be more than glad to send you bibliography American-American History. That being said....

There's always been a spiritual divide in the Black community between the holy/spiritual vs the secular. If you didn't give your life, your gift of music over to God, than naturally it was obvious you chose to embrace a life of debauchery and sin. My grandmother was born in 1900: You couldn't drink, smoke, dance, play cards, whistle, or play secular music in my grandparents home. You couldn't listen to Black's on the radio because Black's were white-balled from getting radio play of any kind, especially in the South. You wouldn't hear black musicians on the radio up North until WW II.... when jazz greats such as Duke Ellington / Count Basie bands raised money for the war effort. Yet, my grandmother, cigarette smoking, liquor drinking, corn whiskey making, ju-joint owner brother passed along every record any Black musician recorded to all of his sister's children from 1920 until 1975. Even so, my mother never played jazz on the piano but she didn't play Gospel on the piano in her parents home either. My mother played classical because that's what she wanted to play.

Having said that....


It would be naive to dismiss Dr. King didn't struggle with self-hatred or internalize the ideology of white supremacy as many black's had and still do. Malcolm X spoke of how the Nation of Islam all but deprogram him internalizing the belief he and his people were biological inferior. If Black folks were running away from being "black", the Baptist Church wouldn't be the place they'd run to; those folks use to join Catholic or Episcopal Church. lol

The banjo made the Trans-Atlantic trip, but minstrel shows took hold in the 19 century, Black people ran away from the banjo like a house on fire. A lot people of my generation equated the Blues with a bunch of Black folks whining, moaning about our lives under Jim Crow. Some folks who'd tell you Motown was sugar pop crossover white bread and Stacks Records truly represented real "Black Music".

Gospel musical foundation mature in the North, Chicago to be exact. Yet the father of Gospel Music, Thomas Dorsey was accused of heresy, mixing jazz, blues chords in sacred music. Besides Mrs. Dorsey had been a jazz musician and composer! When Edwin Hawkins ( died Jan, 2018) wrote O Happy Day, the Gospel folks tripped

because he bought R&B elements into Gospel. To say Dr. King "hated Black culture" is historical simple minded.

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