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poppys

Cohen FLIPS on Trump?



The View today.


http://theweek.com/speedr...plans-flip


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President Trump's longtime personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, is expected to "flip" and begin cooperating with federal prosecutors as the law firm that is representing him is not expected to do so going forward, ABC News reports based on conversations with people familiar with the internal decisions. "Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York," ABC News writes, calling the development "imminent."

[Edited 6/13/18 9:12am]

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Reply #1 posted 06/13/18 8:30am

13cjk13

God, I hope the orange dotard is in prison soon.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
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Reply #2 posted 06/13/18 8:33am

poppys

13cjk13 said:

God, I hope the orange dotard is in prison soon.


It is tedious, isn't it? All these nothingburgers are giving me a stomachache.

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Reply #3 posted 06/13/18 8:44am

poppys

more details

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-cooperate-attorneys-leave-case/story?id=55861988

As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Wood’s Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohen’s New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...trump.html


But as the investigation widens, and with Mr. Cohen’s legal team in turmoil, the chances increase that Mr. Cohen could cooperate with prosecutors.

Mr. Cohen’s current legal team is expected to stay with him for the rest of the week as they struggle to complete a laborious review of a trove of documents and data files seized from him by the authorities two months ago. The issue is primarily over payment of the legal bills of one of his lawyers, Stephen Ryan, according to a person familiar with the discussions.

Seems he's low on cash $$.

[Edited 6/13/18 9:18am]

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Reply #4 posted 06/13/18 10:34am

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The privilege belongs to the client. So the only things he could flip on would be crimes or conspiracies in which they both were involved or if Trump sought is counsel and was told NOT to do something and he did it anyway--but that would be very weak and would really only be evidence of intent and not probative. Discussions as to how to legally do something is not a conspiracy to commit a crime.


If he has anything that he can offer.. it is likely bad for Trump. I doubt they both conspired to break the law.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #5 posted 06/13/18 3:11pm

13cjk13

poppys said:

13cjk13 said:

God, I hope the orange dotard is in prison soon.


It is tedious, isn't it? All these nothingburgers are giving me a stomachache.

Amazing that all of the crimes turn out to be "nothingburgers" because of this corrupt, complicit, disgusting bunch of republicans in congress. LOCK HIM UP.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
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Reply #6 posted 06/13/18 3:34pm

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13cjk13 said:

poppys said:


It is tedious, isn't it? All these nothingburgers are giving me a stomachache.

Amazing that all of the crimes turn out to be "nothingburgers" because of this corrupt, complicit, disgusting bunch of republicans in congress. LOCK HIM UP.


Birds of a feather...

What's interesting to me is how many people that Trump appointed, that were involved with his campaign, etc., have had either charges brought against them (and pleaded guilty, to), or are being investigated for various crimes, or have indictments against them. To try to proclaim Trump's innocence in all of this, to say he knew nothing about any of it, that all of these individuals were committing crimes behind Trump's back (and he was strictly innocent of anything and had no clue he was surrounding himself with these kind of people) is completely, totally, hogwash.

I have family members that got in trouble with the law. They surrounded themselves with like minded individuals and were completely aware of what their friends and associates were doing. There are those few individuals that may hang out with a bad crowd but not know they are a bad crowd, but usually, even they are aware that something was going on, even if they didn't have the details. Having come from a republican family, who totally supports Trump, I know for a fact they often tell their kids, "You hang around with trash, you're going to get dirty."

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Reply #7 posted 06/13/18 8:46pm

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Stormy's lawyer was on CNN tonight, he said he hopes they keep a close eye on him, for his own safety. Maybe he was alluding to suicide.??

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Reply #8 posted 06/13/18 8:55pm

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PennyPurple said:

Stormy's lawyer was on CNN tonight, he said he hopes they keep a close eye on him, for his own safety. Maybe he was alluding to suicide.??


Or is alluding to someone possibly harming him.

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Reply #9 posted 06/13/18 9:14pm

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benni said:

PennyPurple said:

Stormy's lawyer was on CNN tonight, he said he hopes they keep a close eye on him, for his own safety. Maybe he was alluding to suicide.??


Or is alluding to someone possibly harming him.

Palace intrigue eek

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Reply #10 posted 06/13/18 9:18pm

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poppys said:

benni said:


Or is alluding to someone possibly harming him.

Palace intrigue eek


Not necessarily. Trumpsters are crazy! If they believe Cohen is going to flip on Trump, someone may flip on him. :-/

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Reply #11 posted 06/14/18 5:54am

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Do you think what Cohen says about Trump will be worse than this?


https://www.independent.c...64791.html

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Reply #12 posted 06/14/18 7:05am

Musicslave

benni said:

Do you think what Cohen says about Trump will be worse than this?


https://www.independent.c...64791.html

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My guess? Yes. lol Aside from "personal lawyer", the man's title is "Fixer." I can't imagine all of the stuff this guy has had to "fix," through the years while working for trump. lol

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Reply #13 posted 06/14/18 7:15am

poppys

benni said:

poppys said:

Palace intrigue eek


Not necessarily. Trumpsters are crazy! If they believe Cohen is going to flip on Trump, someone may flip on him. :-/


I was agreeing with you benni.

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Reply #14 posted 06/14/18 7:17am

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Musicslave said:

benni said:

Do you think what Cohen says about Trump will be worse than this?


https://www.independent.c...64791.html

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My guess? Yes. lol Aside from "personal lawyer", the man's title is "Fixer." I can't imagine all of the stuff this guy has had to "fix," through the years while working for trump. lol


Truly mind-boggling to ponder.

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Reply #15 posted 06/14/18 8:51am

Musicslave

poppys said:

Musicslave said:

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My guess? Yes. lol Aside from "personal lawyer", the man's title is "Fixer." I can't imagine all of the stuff this guy has had to "fix," through the years while working for trump. lol


Truly mind-boggling to ponder.

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I hate to quote Michael Avenatti (I'm a little tired of seeing him making threats on tv every other day) but, I agree that, "Michael Cohen knows where all the bodies are buried." lol

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Reply #16 posted 06/14/18 9:43am

poppys

Musicslave said:

poppys said:


Truly mind-boggling to ponder.

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I hate to quote Michael Avenatti (I'm a little tired of seeing him making threats on tv every other day) but, I agree that, "Michael Cohen knows where all the bodies are buried." lol


Sure beats Giuli-annie though. lol

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Reply #17 posted 06/14/18 2:14pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

The privilege belongs to the client. So the only things he could flip on would be crimes or conspiracies in which they both were involved or if Trump sought is counsel and was told NOT to do something and he did it anyway--but that would be very weak and would really only be evidence of intent and not probative. Discussions as to how to legally do something is not a conspiracy to commit a crime.


If he has anything that he can offer.. it is likely bad for Trump. I doubt they both conspired to break the law.


It all depends on whether the communications were actually attorney-client communications. Then no privilege attaches, and that privilege may not exist if the communications involve the commission of a crime or promulgation of fraud.

Of all the materials that the feds in SDNY seized, only a few have been deemed privileged material. Maybe some of the non-privileged materials do involve dealings between Trump and Cohen outside that context. Maybe none of them do.


But not all communications and conduct Cohen had as Trump's attorney are going to be privileged. E.g., third parties Cohen met with, e-mailed, etc.

Perhaps they did not conspire together. That does not mean they did not conspire separately in different enterprises. A lot of what Cohen may be indicted for has little to do with Trump, but to save himself, he'll be compelled to tell what non-privileged information he knows about Trump.

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Reply #18 posted 06/14/18 5:08pm

13cjk13

poppys said:

Musicslave said:

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My guess? Yes. lol Aside from "personal lawyer", the man's title is "Fixer." I can't imagine all of the stuff this guy has had to "fix," through the years while working for trump. lol


Truly mind-boggling to ponder.

And disgusting.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #19 posted 06/15/18 4:42am

poppys


https://www.politico.com/...tti-648958

Cohen lawyer seeks gag order against Avenatti

The judge is asked to block the 'media circus.'



Attorney Michael Avenatti's months-long publicity tour attacking President Donald Trump and Trump attorney Michael Cohen could be brought to an abrupt end soon if a federal judge agrees to a new request for a gag order against the ubiquitous Avenatti.


Blakely said an avalanche of inflammatory public comments by Avenatti—including at least 121 TV appearances and 439 tweets—is tainting the court proceeding.

"As this Court has probably already surmised, Ms. Avenatti’s actions are mainly driven by his seemingly unquenchable thirst for publicity... and threatens to turn what should be a solemn Federal Court proceeding into a media circus,"


lol Isn't that part of the job when you're a porn star fixer?

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Reply #20 posted 06/15/18 4:55am

poppys

namepeace said:


It all depends on whether the communications were actually attorney-client communications. Then no privilege attaches, and that privilege may not exist if the communications involve the commission of a crime or promulgation of fraud.

Of all the materials that the feds in SDNY seized, only a few have been deemed privileged material. Maybe some of the non-privileged materials do involve dealings between Trump and Cohen outside that context. Maybe none of them do.


But not all communications and conduct Cohen had as Trump's attorney are going to be privileged. E.g., third parties Cohen met with, e-mailed, etc.

Perhaps they did not conspire together. That does not mean they did not conspire separately in different enterprises. A lot of what Cohen may be indicted for has little to do with Trump, but to save himself, he'll be compelled to tell what non-privileged information he knows about Trump.


Interesting, thank you.

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Reply #21 posted 06/15/18 7:55am

OnlyNDaUsa

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namepeace said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

The privilege belongs to the client. So the only things he could flip on would be crimes or conspiracies in which they both were involved or if Trump sought is counsel and was told NOT to do something and he did it anyway--but that would be very weak and would really only be evidence of intent and not probative. Discussions as to how to legally do something is not a conspiracy to commit a crime.


If he has anything that he can offer.. it is likely bad for Trump. I doubt they both conspired to break the law.


It all depends on whether the communications were actually attorney-client communications. Then no privilege attaches, and that privilege may not exist if the communications involve the commission of a crime or promulgation of fraud.

Of all the materials that the feds in SDNY seized, only a few have been deemed privileged material. Maybe some of the non-privileged materials do involve dealings between Trump and Cohen outside that context. Maybe none of them do.


But not all communications and conduct Cohen had as Trump's attorney are going to be privileged. E.g., third parties Cohen met with, e-mailed, etc.

Perhaps they did not conspire together. That does not mean they did not conspire separately in different enterprises. A lot of what Cohen may be indicted for has little to do with Trump, but to save himself, he'll be compelled to tell what non-privileged information he knows about Trump.

yeah... I know. I will add that the benefit will go to trump as to what is or what is NOT privileged. I did not say they had to conspire together. And anything Cohen shared with anyone else that was privileged would be a dangerous and very narrow path to use against trump.



EDIT FOLLOWS (It was doing the tiny text stuff)

most 3rd party communications would also be privileged if Cohen was seeking legal advice or a 2nd or 3rd opinion or any other such thing. That, however, may be limited somewhat to the actual documents or emails or recorded calls...what may not be privileged would be the 3rd parties recollection of what was discussed.



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Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #22 posted 06/15/18 8:05am

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The stuff Avenatti says must be getting to them. LOLOL

poppys said:


https://www.politico.com/...tti-648958

Cohen lawyer seeks gag order against Avenatti

The judge is asked to block the 'media circus.'



Attorney Michael Avenatti's months-long publicity tour attacking President Donald Trump and Trump attorney Michael Cohen could be brought to an abrupt end soon if a federal judge agrees to a new request for a gag order against the ubiquitous Avenatti.


Blakely said an avalanche of inflammatory public comments by Avenatti—including at least 121 TV appearances and 439 tweets—is tainting the court proceeding.

"As this Court has probably already surmised, Ms. Avenatti’s actions are mainly driven by his seemingly unquenchable thirst for publicity... and threatens to turn what should be a solemn Federal Court proceeding into a media circus,"


lol Isn't that part of the job when you're a porn star fixer?

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Reply #23 posted 06/15/18 8:13am

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poppys said:


https://www.politico.com/...tti-648958

Cohen lawyer seeks gag order against Avenatti

He will very likely get it too... Avenatti is just harassing trump... they have ZERO case. Oh, he said he did not have sex with her? Huh... what is worst being that kind of a woman or being a liar?

LOL she is a hooker on film. she is a self-exploiter. she degrades woman more than trump could do in a million years.


She is likey going to lose BIGLY! She will craw back under her rock and go away...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #24 posted 06/15/18 8:15am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:


https://www.politico.com/...tti-648958

Cohen lawyer seeks gag order against Avenatti

He will very likely get it too... Avenatti is just harassing trump... they have ZERO case. Oh, he said he did not have sex with her? Huh... what is worst being that kind of a woman or being a liar?

LOL she is a hooker on film. she is a self-exploiter. she degrades woman more than trump could do in a million years.


She is likey going to lose BIGLY! She will craw back under her rock and go away...



Why hasn't Daniels's "ZERO" case been dismissed?

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Reply #25 posted 06/15/18 8:39am

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

He will very likely get it too... Avenatti is just harassing trump... they have ZERO case. Oh, he said he did not have sex with her? Huh... what is worst being that kind of a woman or being a liar?

LOL she is a hooker on film. she is a self-exploiter. she degrades woman more than trump could do in a million years.


She is likey going to lose BIGLY! She will craw back under her rock and go away...



Why hasn't Daniels's "ZERO" case been dismissed?

so you think it has merit? really? she is suing because he said he did not have sex with her? LOL and that HURT her? you know how much she has made since then? Her entire current career is the fame over this case.


it is funny you said (did you not) that Trump would not be able to get a million from her as he can not show she did that much damage to him... well if she was damaged that is HER own fault...she caused it. And now she is being enriched by it.

But I know you and many others do not care how you just want him out... and every day it looks like Jan 21 2025 is the day!

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #26 posted 06/15/18 8:53am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



Why hasn't Daniels's "ZERO" case been dismissed?

so you think it has merit? really? she is suing because he said he did not have sex with her? LOL and that HURT her? you know how much she has made since then? Her entire current career is the fame over this case.


it is funny you said (did you not) that Trump would not be able to get a million from her as he can not show she did that much damage to him... well if she was damaged that is HER own fault...she caused it. And now she is being enriched by it.

But I know you and many others do not care how you just want him out... and every day it looks like Jan 21 2025 is the day!



Why hasn't Daniels's "ZERO" case been dismissed?

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Reply #27 posted 06/15/18 9:02am

13cjk13

RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you think it has merit? really? she is suing because he said he did not have sex with her? LOL and that HURT her? you know how much she has made since then? Her entire current career is the fame over this case.


it is funny you said (did you not) that Trump would not be able to get a million from her as he can not show she did that much damage to him... well if she was damaged that is HER own fault...she caused it. And now she is being enriched by it.

But I know you and many others do not care how you just want him out... and every day it looks like Jan 21 2025 is the day!



Why hasn't Daniels's "ZERO" case been dismissed?

Because Hillary's emails? Because Benghazi? Fox "news", Fox "news", Fox "news", blah, blah, blah.....

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
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Reply #28 posted 06/15/18 9:10am

Musicslave

Cohen signals openness to cooperating with federal investigators

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/michael-cohen-cooperation-federal-investigators/index.html

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President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has indicated to family and friends he is willing to cooperate with federal investigators to alleviate the pressure on himself and his family, according to a source familiar with the matter.

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Cohen has expressed anger with the treatment he has gotten from the President, who has minimized his relationship with Cohen, and comments from the President's lawyer Rudy Giuliani, the source said. The treatment has left him feeling isolated and more open to cooperating, the source said.
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Reply #29 posted 06/15/18 9:24am

poppys

Musicslave said:

Cohen signals openness to cooperating with federal investigators

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/michael-cohen-cooperation-federal-investigators/index.html

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President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has indicated to family and friends he is willing to cooperate with federal investigators to alleviate the pressure on himself and his family, according to a source familiar with the matter.

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Cohen has expressed anger with the treatment he has gotten from the President, who has minimized his relationship with Cohen, and comments from the President's lawyer Rudy Giuliani, the source said. The treatment has left him feeling isolated and more open to cooperating, the source said.
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fat lady gon sing whistle and now Manafort's in jail, no house arrest for you!

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