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Thread started 06/13/18 4:43pm

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Who has seen Schindler's List?

One of my all time favorite movies. Steven Spielberg had a spirit working with him to be sure. He had help. Hard film to watch but must be seen. Important movie to see in the age of Trump. The scum Amon Goeth is worse than Trump, but important to take authoritarian government seriously before something bad happens.

They should show this in all schools, black, white, right left. Never forget, especially you right winger orgers.

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Reply #1 posted 06/13/18 8:43pm

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One of the best movies ever IMO. Sad but well worth the watch.

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Reply #2 posted 06/13/18 9:26pm

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A brilliant work of art, though hard to take, as others have mentioned. A great look at the banality of evil, and how easy it is to fall into it
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Reply #3 posted 06/13/18 11:28pm

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It's both the best and favorite movie I've seen. I don't agree with forcing nudity on school children.
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Reply #4 posted 06/13/18 11:51pm

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I think it should be required viewing in high school and college in any history type class. It should be discussed, examined, explored, and understood by every ensuing generation.

Someone needs to do a film about the concentration camps on U.S. soil housing the Japanese during WWII. It would keep things in perspective about how evil and racism can happen anywhere, and how maybe fingerpointing should not be that high on our list of prideful moments.

Couple all that with the pending "tent cities" (read: concentration camps) for children separated from their parents at the border, and it would be quickly clear just how much we've not learned from history.

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Reply #5 posted 06/14/18 12:11am

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I actually seen it in school. I must have been 14 at the time. Our teacher didn't show it to us for educational reasons though. He was just a lazy bastard so every Friday he'd bring in a different DVD and we'd watch it rather than do actual school work.
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Reply #6 posted 06/14/18 1:24am

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TrivialPursuit said:

I think it should be required viewing in high school and college in any history type class. It should be discussed, examined, explored, and understood by every ensuing generation.



I'm from Holland and at my school for history class we went to the theatre when it was released. Our government paid for schools to go see the movie when it was released.

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Reply #7 posted 06/14/18 2:08am

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TrivialPursuit said:

I think it should be required viewing in high school and college in any history type class. It should be discussed, examined, explored, and understood by every ensuing generation.

Someone needs to do a film about the concentration camps on U.S. soil housing the Japanese during WWII. It would keep things in perspective about how evil and racism can happen anywhere, and how maybe fingerpointing should not be that high on our list of prideful moments.

Couple all that with the pending "tent cities" (read: concentration camps) for children separated from their parents at the border, and it would be quickly clear just how much we've not learned from history.

Amen!

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Reply #8 posted 06/14/18 7:02am

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TrivialPursuit said:

I think it should be required viewing in high school and college in any history type class. It should be discussed, examined, explored, and understood by every ensuing generation.

Someone needs to do a film about the concentration camps on U.S. soil housing the Japanese during WWII. It would keep things in perspective about how evil and racism can happen anywhere, and how maybe fingerpointing should not be that high on our list of prideful moments.

Couple all that with the pending "tent cities" (read: concentration camps) for children separated from their parents at the border, and it would be quickly clear just how much we've not learned from history.

I vaguely recall a film about the Japenese Concentration camps from years back, I think starring Dennis Quaid...wasn't a big hit obviously (just looked it up on IMDB- it was called "Come See the Paradise", directed by Alan Parker- same guy who did "Mississippi Burning", and released in 1994),

Also, there was a musical on Broadway about 2 or 3 years ago, with George Takei, that was set in one of those camps as well

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Reply #9 posted 06/14/18 7:30am

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It's both the best and favorite movie I've seen. I don't agree with forcing nudity on school children.

What are you talking about?

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Reply #10 posted 06/14/18 9:35am

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Even Born Again Christians said it was great, nudity or not. The nudity is reality.

I do have liberal friends who don't like the ending scene with the gold ring, because that never happened. They blame Spielberg for wanting a treacly scene.

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Reply #11 posted 06/14/18 9:35am

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Yes, I've seen it a couple of times and I've read the book. Both are excellent!

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Reply #12 posted 06/14/18 10:16am

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My favourite review definitely comes from Claude Lanzmann who called it a "kitschy melodrama" lol

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Reply #13 posted 06/14/18 10:27am

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He may have been a Nazi.

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Reply #14 posted 06/14/18 10:28am

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lol lol

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Reply #15 posted 06/14/18 5:28pm

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Schindler's List is a fabulous film and it should be one of many films/documentaries on a worldwide school curriculum, hell, on a humanitarian curriculum.

We visited Krakow a couple of years ago and stayed in Kazimierz where it was filmed. Kazimierz was the old Jewish district before Nazi occupation but Spielberg used the area as the ghetto, the real ghetto is across the bridge.

There's a memorial of bronze chairs where the Jews were lined up to board trains to Auschwitz or killed, look up "Ghetto Hero's Square". There's also still a small portion of the wall and the pharmacy of the family (sorry, can't remember the name) that helped them, which is now a museum. Schindler's factory isn't far and there are pictures on the walls of all the people who worked there.

Auschwitz - Birkenau was harrowing and emotionally draining, it's a full day tour and you see and hear EVERYTHING that was horrific hate for fellow human beings because they were seen as different. We went out that night and got hammered on Nalewka, we needed it. I don't think we've learnt from history and I'm not sure we ever will. Sadly, I think there'll always be hate in the world but I'll never stop standing up for what I believe in.

Krakow is a beautiful city, full of culture, the people are lovely, it's really inexpensive and I'd urge anyone to visit if able, history should be passed down and never be forgotten.

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It's a good film, but aren't there question marks over whether the narrative of Oskar Schindler's heroism is historically accurate?
https://www.theguardian.c...rmany.film
http://quadrant.org.au/ma...schindler/

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Reply #17 posted 06/15/18 8:17am

TrivialPursuit

deebee said:

It's a good film, but aren't there question marks over whether the narrative of Oskar Schindler's heroism is historically accurate?
https://www.theguardian.c...rmany.film
http://quadrant.org.au/ma...schindler/


There are always going to be dissenters. Maybe some of the film was a bit enhanced, but every film is, so that's a given. I think the bigger point here isn't even necessarily what Schindler did, although it was great. It's about the utter gall of the Nazis in general and the havoc and violence they reeked on the world for a few years. One could almost call them prolific in their extermination of a huge part of the planet.

(For those that don't know or get it confused with "prophetic", prolific means doing vast amounts of work in an irrationally short amount of time; like writing and producing a whole song every day, opposed to the normal time frame artists tend to work, or writing many, many books in a time period that most authors might only produce 1/4 of that.)

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Reply #18 posted 06/15/18 9:13am

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"Schindler's List" has a world-wide box office to date of $321,306,305. Assume an average ticket cost of $7 and that translates to 45,900,901 people. But assume that 20% of those saw the movie at the theater twice, and that brings the number of theater-goers to 36,720,721.

Then subtract Jerry Seinfeld and Rachel Goldstein who attended a showing, but necked during most of the movie and thus should not be counted. That brings us to 36,720,719 peoploe who saw it at the theater. Conceibvably, one could also subtract Newman, who appeared to have spent much of the movie looking with disdain upon Jerry and Rachel, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt and leave him in.

When "Schindler's List" was released on Blu-Ray, it sold 23,000 units in its first week of release. That is the only solid sales information I can find. So let's do some extrapolating:

BLU-RAY SALES
Week 1 = 23,000
Weeks 2 - today = 125% of week 1 = 34,500
TOTAL BLU-RAY = 57,500

DVD SALES
DVD sales = 400% of Blu-Ray sales
TOTAL DVD = 230,000

VHS TAPE SALES
VHS sales = 30% of DVD sales
TOTAL VHS = 69,000

STREAMING RENTALS
Streaming = 80% of DVD sales
Streaming = 184,000

Let's assume that for each non-theater viewing of "Schindler's List" that an average of 2.1 people watch it. That gives us a total non-theater viewing population of:

(57,500 + 230,000 + 69,000 + 184,000) x 2.1 = 1,135,050

So let's add it all up!

THEATER = 36,720,721
LESS : Jerry Seinfled and Rachel Goldstein - (2)
PLUS: Non-theatrical viewings of 1,135,050

EQUALS = 37,855,769 people have seen "Schindler's List".

But to completely answer your question, I'd have to supply names of those 37,855,769 people. That, I cannot do. I can only positively state that Jerry Seinfeld and Rachel Godlstein did NOT see the movie.

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Reply #19 posted 06/15/18 4:37pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

deebee said:

It's a good film, but aren't there question marks over whether the narrative of Oskar Schindler's heroism is historically accurate?
https://www.theguardian.c...rmany.film
http://quadrant.org.au/ma...schindler/


There are always going to be dissenters. Maybe some of the film was a bit enhanced, but every film is, so that's a given. I think the bigger point here isn't even necessarily what Schindler did, although it was great. It's about the utter gall of the Nazis in general and the havoc and violence they reeked on the world for a few years. One could almost call them prolific in their extermination of a huge part of the planet.

(For those that don't know or get it confused with "prophetic", prolific means doing vast amounts of work in an irrationally short amount of time; like writing and producing a whole song every day, opposed to the normal time frame artists tend to work, or writing many, many books in a time period that most authors might only produce 1/4 of that.)

I'd say 'enhancement' is only valid up to a point. Films often tweak the timelines of events, combine characters, invent encounters, etc, but we still expect them to be more or less accurate in representing fundamentals. I can't say I've done nearly enough research to say what the truth is regarding Schindler's actions and character, but, if the more sceptical historical accounts referred to were shown to be accurate, we'd be forced to say that the movie distorts history rather than merely enhances it - even though its portrayal of the wider history of the Holocaust and the cruelty of the Nazis is very powerful, I agree.

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deebee said:

TrivialPursuit said:


There are always going to be dissenters. Maybe some of the film was a bit enhanced, but every film is, so that's a given. I think the bigger point here isn't even necessarily what Schindler did, although it was great. It's about the utter gall of the Nazis in general and the havoc and violence they reeked on the world for a few years. One could almost call them prolific in their extermination of a huge part of the planet.

(For those that don't know or get it confused with "prophetic", prolific means doing vast amounts of work in an irrationally short amount of time; like writing and producing a whole song every day, opposed to the normal time frame artists tend to work, or writing many, many books in a time period that most authors might only produce 1/4 of that.)

I'd say 'enhancement' is only valid up to a point. Films often tweak the timelines of events, combine characters, invent encounters, etc, but we still expect them to be more or less accurate in representing fundamentals. I can't say I've done nearly enough research to say what the truth is regarding Schindler's actions and character, but, if the more sceptical historical accounts referred to were shown to be accurate, we'd be forced to say that the movie distorts history rather than merely enhances it - even though its portrayal of the wider history of the Holocaust and the cruelty of the Nazis is very powerful, I agree.

Portrayal of the 'truth' about any given historical event is incredibly difficult. Personally I would hope the film might act as a catalyst for people (especially youngsters) to go out and learn more about the Holocaust, and Schindler, maybe read some of the great books out there such as those by Elie Wiesel etc.... But if people are having the discussion about which parts of the film are, and are not, historically accurate, then great. I'm not sure I agree the film distorts history (I think we always get a distorted view of history anyway, depending on which country we are in, cultural differences, religious differences etc...), but I would agree that, in Schindler's List, there seems to be more than a little tweaking and tinkering with the facts, and therefore it should not be presented as a factual account (I think it was? - I've not seen it for a while). As far as I know the film was based on the novel 'Schindler's Ark', which I have not read, but which again as far as I know is not completley historically accurate - more of a fictionalised version of the truth. Therefore between accounts of the truth, the book, and then the film, it is unsurprising that the end result is far from precise.

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maplenpg said:

deebee said:

I'd say 'enhancement' is only valid up to a point. Films often tweak the timelines of events, combine characters, invent encounters, etc, but we still expect them to be more or less accurate in representing fundamentals. I can't say I've done nearly enough research to say what the truth is regarding Schindler's actions and character, but, if the more sceptical historical accounts referred to were shown to be accurate, we'd be forced to say that the movie distorts history rather than merely enhances it - even though its portrayal of the wider history of the Holocaust and the cruelty of the Nazis is very powerful, I agree.

Portrayal of the 'truth' about any given historical event is incredibly difficult. Personally I would hope the film might act as a catalyst for people (especially youngsters) to go out and learn more about the Holocaust, and Schindler, maybe read some of the great books out there such as those by Elie Wiesel etc.... But if people are having the discussion about which parts of the film are, and are not, historically accurate, then great. I'm not sure I agree the film distorts history (I think we always get a distorted view of history anyway, depending on which country we are in, cultural differences, religious differences etc...), but I would agree that, in Schindler's List, there seems to be more than a little tweaking and tinkering with the facts, and therefore it should not be presented as a factual account (I think it was? - I've not seen it for a while). As far as I know the film was based on the novel 'Schindler's Ark', which I have not read, but which again as far as I know is not completley historically accurate - more of a fictionalised version of the truth. Therefore between accounts of the truth, the book, and then the film, it is unsurprising that the end result is far from precise.

I should reiterate that I don't know for certain that the sceptical accounts of Schindler's life and times are definitive, and thus that the novel/film version are fundamentally flawed. I just want to assert that, if they are accurate, I think we'd have to say that the film goes beyond the normal and acceptable level of distortion. There's always distortion, it's true, but I'd still insist that beyond a certain permissible degree, and regardless of positive effects that may well come of it, we have to call that out, or we open the door to all sorts of dangers. I do agree that it's good when literature and drama encourage young people to investigate this and other dark episodes of history for themselves, though.

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Reply #22 posted 06/16/18 9:58am

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Deebee, he wasn't a saint, obviously from the film. The living Schindler Jews sure loved him.

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Reply #23 posted 06/16/18 9:59am

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I admire how Spielberg did this film than did Munich, which went after Israel. Funny, but right wingers called him anti semitic. lol

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Reply #24 posted 06/16/18 10:10am

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Who has seen Schlinder's List?

There is no point to this thread. Is it supposed to have a P&R focus or is it the General Discussion of a Hollywood movie?

It's careenng from origin debunking to bad Holocaust jokes and back - wtf is the point?

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Reply #25 posted 06/16/18 10:17am

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Movie is not fun and games like in General

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Reply #26 posted 06/16/18 10:24am

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Who has seen Schlinder's List?

There is no point to this thread. Is it supposed to have a P&R focus or is it the General Discussion of a Hollywood movie?

It's careenng from origin debunking to bad Holocaust jokes and back - wtf is the point?

2freaky4church1 said:


Movie is not fun and games like in General


There are obituary and news threads in General Discussion all the time - not all fun and games. This should have a P&R focus at the beginning.

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Reply #27 posted 06/16/18 10:27am

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You know how unartistic those General peeps are. lol

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Reply #28 posted 06/16/18 9:39pm

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poppys said:


Who has seen Schlinder's List?

There is no point to this thread. Is it supposed to have a P&R focus or is it the General Discussion of a Hollywood movie?

It's careenng from origin debunking to bad Holocaust jokes and back - wtf is the point?



I am getting no love for the deep dive I did with the math, nor for working in the single greatest "Seinfeld" reference the Org has ever seen.

Sigh.

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Reply #29 posted 06/17/18 7:43am

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RodeoSchro said:



poppys said:



Who has seen Schlinder's List?

There is no point to this thread. Is it supposed to have a P&R focus or is it the General Discussion of a Hollywood movie?

It's careenng from origin debunking to bad Holocaust jokes and back - wtf is the point?





I am getting no love for the deep dive I did with the math, nor for working in the single greatest "Seinfeld" reference the Org has ever seen.

Sigh.



I liked the Seinfeld reference. Although you suggest giving Newman the benefit of the doubt? You should probably know better than that. I doubt very much he seen ANY of the movie. He just couldn't wait to tell Jerry's mother what he'd seen.
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