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Thread started 09/30/18 12:30pm

2freaky4church
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The Essay that will mow down any atheist: MLK, at age 28!

I misted up many times reading this. If this doesn't make you fall down and worship God you are soulless and lost:

https://kinginstitute.sta...ist-church

This is deep shit.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #1 posted 09/30/18 12:37pm

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Forget that first one. lol

Try this:

https://thevalueofsparrow...r-king-jr/

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #2 posted 09/30/18 12:37pm

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Mods, try to get rid of that first one. thanks.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #3 posted 10/01/18 8:31am

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I am soulless and lost wilted

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Reply #4 posted 10/02/18 12:06am

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a fool says in his heart: there is no God.





a wise man.... says it to everyone

2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
biggest fucking hypocrite around LOL only in da forum...
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Reply #5 posted 10/02/18 2:01am

Silvertongue7

I'm soulless and lost. But I don't feel the need to tell other people that if they don't share my beliefs then there is something wrong with them.

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Reply #6 posted 10/02/18 7:09am

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Dissing MLJK, that's funny

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #7 posted 10/02/18 7:17am

Silvertongue7

2freaky4church1 said:

Dissing MLJK, that's funny

Who has done that? Name names, please.

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Reply #8 posted 10/02/18 7:43am

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dissing 1.5 billion people worldwide, with this thread wreck

but god will forgive you

as soon as he exists

2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
biggest fucking hypocrite around LOL only in da forum...
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Reply #9 posted 10/02/18 8:42am

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Live and let live, I say...Let people choose what's best for them

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Reply #10 posted 10/02/18 8:48am

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He must have been a threat, since they shot him.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #11 posted 10/02/18 8:51am

Silvertongue7

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He must have been a threat, since they shot him.


Who has dissed MLK on this thread? Answer the question. Do not deflect, answer the question.
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Reply #12 posted 10/02/18 1:05pm

CherryMoon57

cool

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Reply #13 posted 10/02/18 1:28pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Forget that first one. lol



Try this:



https://thevalueofsparrow...r-king-jr/




Why don’t you do us a favor and give us a brief summary of what you’re talking about. I’m serious, what exactly are you going on about? It seems i cannot read people’s minds.
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Reply #14 posted 10/02/18 2:52pm

Silvertongue7

2freaky4church1 said:

Dissing MLJK, that's funny



So, not naming names, then? Are you going to apologise for implying that people did? Or would that imply taking ownership of what said, like adults do? Are you not ready to do something like that yet?
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Reply #15 posted 10/02/18 3:09pm

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What is wrong with you all? We were crying at Retreat reading this.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #16 posted 10/02/18 3:45pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

What is wrong with you all? We were crying at Retreat reading this.



Lol.

Stay there as long as you want. It sounds like you desperately need this. Take youre time, we’ll be fine here. lol
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Reply #17 posted 10/02/18 3:51pm

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I’m guessing there are mushrooms and other herbs involved at this weeping retreat. lol
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Reply #18 posted 10/02/18 4:02pm

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Note that you are using the wrong link? I screwed up on the first one and corrected it. bam

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Reply #19 posted 10/02/18 4:03pm

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https://thevalueofsparrows.com/2013/09/08/sermon-the-dimensions-of-a-complete-life-by-martin-luther-king-jr/

Shame on you all.

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Reply #20 posted 10/02/18 4:15pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

https://thevalueofsparrows.com/2013/09/08/sermon-the-dimensions-of-a-complete-life-by-martin-luther-king-jr/



Shame on you all.



Just type out what the heck youre talking about.
lol
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Reply #21 posted 10/02/18 6:12pm

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I suggest you read the links first . Then if you understand what you read, post about it here.
I highly suspect you don’t read any of this and only post what you hear others more intellectual in your circle say.

I do believe you listen to the chomsky YouTube videos. lol
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Reply #22 posted 10/02/18 6:22pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Live and let live, I say...Let people choose what's best for them

unless you do not like it

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #23 posted 10/02/18 6:43pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

What is wrong with you all? We were crying at Retreat reading this.

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There is great strength, learnings and eloquence in many of the great teachings about beliefs.

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If your focus is on the what the teaching can teach us, then you can learn - whether or not your beliefs are the same as the teacher's.

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If your focus is on making meme one-liners about how your beliefs are better than other's (including where your belief is the delusion that it is wise to deny all other people's beliefs), then set up yourself so you can learn nothing.

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I have learned so much from the great teachers of Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, the Dreamtime, etc, etc, etc without needing to believe as these teachers believe. The set of religiously held beliefs that has taught me the least is when a fundamentalist atheist thinks they have found the ultimate argument against religions and uses this to force their beliefs on others. The only thing I get from this is an understanding of the lack of dimensions and lack of balance and the shallowness and emptiness of always trying to convince others out of their beliefs as the only defence of their own beliefs.

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Reply #24 posted 10/03/18 3:01am

CherryMoon57

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I suggest you read the links first . Then if you understand what you read, post about it here. I highly suspect you don’t read any of this and only post what you hear others more intellectual in your circle say. I do believe you listen to the chomsky YouTube videos. lol


The link that 2Freaky has shared with us here leads to a superb self-explanatory essay about the purpose of life (or whatever you may want to call this) written - as announced in the title of the thread - by MLK Jr. when he was 28. What more do you need? I mean... Just read it and see for yourself.

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Reply #25 posted 10/03/18 4:38am

Silvertongue7

CherryMoon57 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I suggest you read the links first . Then if you understand what you read, post about it here. I highly suspect you don’t read any of this and only post what you hear others more intellectual in your circle say. I do believe you listen to the chomsky YouTube videos. lol


The link that 2Freaky has shared with us here leads to a superb self-explanatory essay about the purpose of life (or whatever you may want to call this) written - as announced in the title of the thread - by MLK Jr. when he was 28. What more do you need? I mean... Just read it and see for yourself.

The problem for me is not with the essay. I have a problem with the title of the thread, and with he fact that the OP called anyone who doesn't "fall down and worship God" souless and lost. The OPs beliefs are as strong and respectable as mine. That's the problem I have with this thread. And then he went on to accuse people in the thread of dissing MLK, which no one had done. So that's my other problem. It's about respecting other people's beliefs. Absolutely no need to mow down anyone.

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Reply #26 posted 10/03/18 5:34am

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CherryMoon57 said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


I suggest you read the links first . Then if you understand what you read, post about it here. I highly suspect you don’t read any of this and only post what you hear others more intellectual in your circle say. I do believe you listen to the chomsky YouTube videos. lol


The link that 2Freaky has shared with us here leads to a superb self-explanatory essay about the purpose of life (or whatever you may want to call this) written - as announced in the title of the thread - by MLK Jr. when he was 28. What more do you need? I mean... Just read it and see for yourself.



The very minimum requirement is what you just posted. How hard is that?
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Reply #27 posted 10/03/18 7:46am

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Wow:

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Now let us notice first the length of life. I have said that this is the dimension of life in which the individual is concerned with developing his inner powers. It is that dimension of life in which the individual pursued personal ends and ambitions. This is perhaps the selfish dimension of life, and there is such a thing as moral and rational self-interest. If one is not concerned about himself he cannot be totally concerned about other selves.

Some years ago a learned rabbi, the late Joshua Liebman, wrote a book entitled Peace of Mind. He has a chapter in the book entitled, “Love Thyself Properly.” In this chapter he says in substance that it is impossible to love other selves adequately unless you love your own self properly. Many people have been plunged into the abyss of emotional fatalism because they did not love themselves properly. So every individual has a responsibility to be concerned about himself enough to discover what he is made for. After he discovers his calling he should set out to do it with all the strength and power in his being. He should do it as if God Almighty called him at this particular moment in history to do it. He should seek to do his job so well that the living, the dead, or the unborn could not do it better. No matter how small one thinks his life’s work is in terms of the norms of the world and the so-called big jobs, he must realize that it has cosmic significance if he is serving humanity and doing the will of God.

To carry this to one extreme, if it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets as Raphael painted pictures, sweep streets as Michelangelo carved marble, sweep streets as Beethoven composed music, sweep streets as Shakespeare wrote poetry. Sweep streets so well that all the hosts of Heaven and Earth will have to pause and say, “Here lived a great street sweeper who swept his job well.” "

Low moral rung here.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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2freaky4church1 said:

Wow:



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Now let us notice first the length of life. I have said that this is the dimension of life in which the individual is concerned with developing his inner powers. It is that dimension of life in which the individual pursued personal ends and ambitions. This is perhaps the selfish dimension of life, and there is such a thing as moral and rational self-interest. If one is not concerned about himself he cannot be totally concerned about other selves.


Some years ago a learned rabbi, the late Joshua Liebman, wrote a book entitled Peace of Mind. He has a chapter in the book entitled, “Love Thyself Properly.” In this chapter he says in substance that it is impossible to love other selves adequately unless you love your own self properly. Many people have been plunged into the abyss of emotional fatalism because they did not love themselves properly. So every individual has a responsibility to be concerned about himself enough to discover what he is made for. After he discovers his calling he should set out to do it with all the strength and power in his being. He should do it as if God Almighty called him at this particular moment in history to do it. He should seek to do his job so well that the living, the dead, or the unborn could not do it better. No matter how small one thinks his life’s work is in terms of the norms of the world and the so-called big jobs, he must realize that it has cosmic significance if he is serving humanity and doing the will of God.


To carry this to one extreme, if it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets as Raphael painted pictures, sweep streets as Michelangelo carved marble, sweep streets as Beethoven composed music, sweep streets as Shakespeare wrote poetry. Sweep streets so well that all the hosts of Heaven and Earth will have to pause and say, “Here lived a great street sweeper who swept his job well.” "



Low moral rung here.



In my OPINION this is all just one dimensional BS.

Unless your dealing with the already indoctrinated through something like tradition passed down through families or the vulnerable or mentally impaired as most religions do, this stuff always comes off as one dimensional BS.

The subject is so complex and so many variables involved that to even think an essay or a book can shed light on it is kinda crazy.(to me)

I recently was asked by a friend to accompany them to a Catholic service, and after being away from it for so long, it was jarring how bonkers something I took for granted as a kid was. That’s the main take away for me. Indoctrination makes anything look normal or rational. Like the Oder in your house that only visitors smell and sideway eye to each other. We have to step away and look at things from different angles and perspectives and at different times. (In my opinion)

Anyway, I’m glad people find joy and inspiration in whatever. Good for you. Awesome.
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Reply #29 posted 10/03/18 1:09pm

IanRG

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Wow:

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Now let us notice first the length of life. I have said that this is the dimension of life in which the individual is concerned with developing his inner powers. It is that dimension of life in which the individual pursued personal ends and ambitions. This is perhaps the selfish dimension of life, and there is such a thing as moral and rational self-interest. If one is not concerned about himself he cannot be totally concerned about other selves.

Some years ago a learned rabbi, the late Joshua Liebman, wrote a book entitled Peace of Mind. He has a chapter in the book entitled, “Love Thyself Properly.” In this chapter he says in substance that it is impossible to love other selves adequately unless you love your own self properly. Many people have been plunged into the abyss of emotional fatalism because they did not love themselves properly. So every individual has a responsibility to be concerned about himself enough to discover what he is made for. After he discovers his calling he should set out to do it with all the strength and power in his being. He should do it as if God Almighty called him at this particular moment in history to do it. He should seek to do his job so well that the living, the dead, or the unborn could not do it better. No matter how small one thinks his life’s work is in terms of the norms of the world and the so-called big jobs, he must realize that it has cosmic significance if he is serving humanity and doing the will of God.

To carry this to one extreme, if it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets as Raphael painted pictures, sweep streets as Michelangelo carved marble, sweep streets as Beethoven composed music, sweep streets as Shakespeare wrote poetry. Sweep streets so well that all the hosts of Heaven and Earth will have to pause and say, “Here lived a great street sweeper who swept his job well.” "

Low moral rung here.

In my OPINION this is all just one dimensional BS. Unless your dealing with the already indoctrinated through something like tradition passed down through families or the vulnerable or mentally impaired as most religions do, this stuff always comes off as one dimensional BS. The subject is so complex and so many variables involved that to even think an essay or a book can shed light on it is kinda crazy.(to me) I recently was asked by a friend to accompany them to a Catholic service, and after being away from it for so long, it was jarring how bonkers something I took for granted as a kid was. That’s the main take away for me. Indoctrination makes anything look normal or rational. Like the Oder in your house that only visitors smell and sideway eye to each other. We have to step away and look at things from different angles and perspectives and at different times. (In my opinion) Anyway, I’m glad people find joy and inspiration in whatever. Good for you. Awesome.

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There is a self-delusional disingenuousness here. First you write off belief in God as merely the result of indoctrination of the "vulnerable or mentally impaired". Then you dismissively allow us mentally impaired and vulnerable whatever joy and inspriration we can get with a "Good for you".

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Other than that I agree:

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Yes - It is complex and one short essay is not the be be all and end all of thought on this topic.

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Yes - We all need to step away and look at things from different angles and perspectives and at different times.

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This includes you. To dismiss what others think because it fails to meet your current opinion and, in your opinion, these others are not quite as good as you (due to higher vulnerability or mental impairment) is your own self-inflicted indoctrination. It is just a way of justifying your beliefs without seeking to step away from them and look at them from different angles and perspectives and at different times.

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The quote by Freaky contains just two phrases that directly reference God and one that mentions the hosts of Heaven. Other than that it is about how to live your life to make it the best you can do. How you do this is extremely complex but this can be done whether you are Christian, Muslim or whatever, even atheist. But to deny thought because it comes from a theist has fewer dimensions and depth than to seek understanding in the thoughts of others.

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