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Reply #60 posted 10/26/18 4:18pm

Camileyun

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Camileyun said:


SoulAlive said:

The thing with many conservatives is....they're simply out of touch with reality.They don't have friends of other races,so they don't understand other cultures.They don't understand why blackface is offensive to many people.They live sheltered lives.Megyn Kelly is just another uppity,wealthy conservative who doesn't understand the real world.



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So because someone believes in conservative policies, they have no friends of other races, they don't understand why blackface is offensive and live sheltered lives. I'll have to remember that when I meet someone who wants lower taxes. Those dogs!



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What, did I miss something?...some special initiation or something you all agreed to, like a password or something? Are people more special that joined longer ago...like a pecking order? I love it...
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Reply #61 posted 10/26/18 4:29pm

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Camileyun said:


SoulAlive said:

The thing with many conservatives is....they're simply out of touch with reality.They don't have friends of other races,so they don't understand other cultures.They don't understand why blackface is offensive to many people.They live sheltered lives.Megyn Kelly is just another uppity,wealthy conservative who doesn't understand the real world.




So because someone believes in conservative policies, they have no friends of other races, they don't understand why blackface is offensive and live sheltered lives. I'll have to remember that when I meet someone who wants lower taxes. Those dogs!


Oh come on.....many conservatives are clueless about alot of things.Only a clueless,out-of-touch person would think that blackface is OK.Megyn had to have a black panel come on her show to explain to her why it's offensive.She lives a sheltered,conservative life that's far removed from reality.



No argument there...because a lot of people are clueless. I did think Megyn was a little smarter than that...I don't know exactly how sheltered she was, and I'm not sure how conservative she is either...but, after thinking about it, I'm not sure the punishment fits the crime. She was asking a question that she truly couldn't know the answer to. I don't think she intended to hurt anyone.
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Reply #62 posted 10/26/18 4:35pm

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Reply #63 posted 10/26/18 4:37pm

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Reply #64 posted 10/26/18 4:37pm

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I don’t care. But I would bet you have used other usernames here. Can I ask what previous user name you have used?
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Reply #65 posted 10/26/18 4:46pm

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Camileyun said:

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I don’t care. But I would bet you have used other usernames here. Can I ask what previous user name you have used?

Ask a mod...who do guys think I used to be, because you all keep on this? I swear, I'm new (at least since May). I've been checking out the org. for a good while, but never signed up.Can't the mods tell? Just for kicks, I'd like to read some posts from whomever you think I am (and it better not be LR- I'm never that mean...unless sniped at first...then I can't claim that) cool
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Reply #66 posted 10/26/18 4:53pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:




I don’t care. But I would bet you have used other usernames here. Can I ask what previous user name you have used?

Ask a mod...who do guys think I used to be, because you all keep on this? I swear, I'm new (at least since May). I've been checking out the org. for a good while, but never signed up.Can't the mods tell? Just for kicks, I'd like to read some posts from whomever you think I am (and it better not be LR- I'm never that mean...unless sniped at first...then I can't claim that) cool



You tell me. I simply asked nicely.
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Reply #67 posted 10/26/18 4:57pm

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Camileyun said:


Ask a mod...who do guys think I used to be, because you all keep on this? I swear, I'm new (at least since May). I've been checking out the org. for a good while, but never signed up.Can't the mods tell? Just for kicks, I'd like to read some posts from whomever you think I am (and it better not be LR- I'm never that mean...unless sniped at first...then I can't claim that) cool



You tell me. I simply asked nicely.


Uh, did you read what I said? This is the only user name I've had. And thank you for asking nicely.
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Reply #68 posted 10/27/18 8:41pm

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she should just go back to FAUX News.Wasn't she popular with those type of viewers anyway?

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Reply #69 posted 10/29/18 4:49pm

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she should just go back to FAUX News.Wasn't she popular with those type of viewers anyway?

Yep that is where she declared Santa to be white. I believe Megan was one of those women who ID'd herself via me too with regards to Roger Ailes. AFter she got into with Trump during the debates she left Fox and MSNBC picked her up. But she cannot get away wiht any kind of racist crap on NBC, where Fox News base doesn't care - it's definitely a different demo.

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Reply #70 posted 10/31/18 12:55am

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I think we're beyond the point of having to educate anyone why blackface is racist.

Bottom line is that anyone who thinks blackface is OK under any circumstance is a racist. No doubt, no debate.

Megyn Kelly is a racist.

I fully agree blackface is racist.

And a serious question here because I'm always confused about this: is a white kid whit dark makeup dressed up like 1978 Michael Jackson considered blackface? or a black kid with lighter skin with dark makeup dressed up like 1978 Michael Jackson considered blackface?


Or say if Jill Jones (a light skinned black woman) used dark makeup to dress up like 1978 Michael Jackson would that be considered blackface?
Is Robert Downey Jr's act in Tropic Thunder considered blackface?

When is something considered blackface?

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Reply #71 posted 10/31/18 7:42am

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RodeoSchro said:

I think we're beyond the point of having to educate anyone why blackface is racist.

Bottom line is that anyone who thinks blackface is OK under any circumstance is a racist. No doubt, no debate.

Megyn Kelly is a racist.

I fully agree blackface is racist.

And a serious question here because I'm always confused about this: is a white kid whit dark makeup dressed up like 1978 Michael Jackson considered blackface? or a black kid with lighter skin with dark makeup dressed up like 1978 Michael Jackson considered blackface? No


Or say if Jill Jones (a light skinned black woman) used dark makeup to dress up like 1978 Michael Jackson would that be considered blackface?
Is Robert Downey Jr's act in Tropic Thunder considered blackface?

When is something considered blackface?


I suggest that you do some research on the history of blackface:

Blackface is a form of theatrical make-up used predominantly by non-black performers to represent a caricature of a black person. The practice gained popularity during the 19th century and contributed to the spread of racial stereotypes such as the "happy-go-lucky darky on the plantation" or the "dandified coon".


All your examples of various raced people putting on makeup to look like "1978 Michael Jackson" is very specific and odd. If they were putting on dark makeup to make fun of him or portray him as a caricature to be funny then I'd say yes, that is blackface and it is offensive. Why else would they be doing this?

BTW - Robert Downey Jr. was parodying both blackface and method acting in his comedic performance in Tropic Thunder


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Reply #72 posted 11/01/18 5:09am

JorisE73

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JorisE73 said:

I fully agree blackface is racist.

And a serious question here because I'm always confused about this: is a white kid whit dark makeup dressed up like 1978 Michael Jackson considered blackface? or a black kid with lighter skin with dark makeup dressed up like 1978 Michael Jackson considered blackface? No


Or say if Jill Jones (a light skinned black woman) used dark makeup to dress up like 1978 Michael Jackson would that be considered blackface?
Is Robert Downey Jr's act in Tropic Thunder considered blackface?

When is something considered blackface?


I suggest that you do some research on the history of blackface:

Blackface is a form of theatrical make-up used predominantly by non-black performers to represent a caricature of a black person. The practice gained popularity during the 19th century and contributed to the spread of racial stereotypes such as the "happy-go-lucky darky on the plantation" or the "dandified coon".


All your examples of various raced people putting on makeup to look like "1978 Michael Jackson" is very specific and odd. If they were putting on dark makeup to make fun of him or portray him as a caricature to be funny then I'd say yes, that is blackface and it is offensive. Why else would they be doing this?

BTW - Robert Downey Jr. was parodying both blackface and method acting in his comedic performance in Tropic Thunder


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I know the history of blackface but these days if you paint yourself black it's already considered blackface. Is Frank Zappa's Joe Garage album cover considered blackface?
And kids dressing up like '1978 Michael Jackson' for a dress up party or Halloween is a reason that is not to mock black people but just to dress up like the guy they are a fan of so making fun of him isn;t the only reason to use dark makeup in this example, but people seem to always choose to not see that and only see the racist thing, if you know what I mean (my English isn't that great so apologies if it may come over as ignorant because I just really try to understand.)

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Reply #73 posted 11/01/18 7:24am

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JorisE73 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


I suggest that you do some research on the history of blackface:

Blackface is a form of theatrical make-up used predominantly by non-black performers to represent a caricature of a black person. The practice gained popularity during the 19th century and contributed to the spread of racial stereotypes such as the "happy-go-lucky darky on the plantation" or the "dandified coon".


All your examples of various raced people putting on makeup to look like "1978 Michael Jackson" is very specific and odd. If they were putting on dark makeup to make fun of him or portray him as a caricature to be funny then I'd say yes, that is blackface and it is offensive. Why else would they be doing this?

BTW - Robert Downey Jr. was parodying both blackface and method acting in his comedic performance in Tropic Thunder


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I know the history of blackface but these days if you paint yourself black it's already considered blackface. Is Frank Zappa's Joe Garage album cover considered blackface?
And kids dressing up like '1978 Michael Jackson' for a dress up party or Halloween is a reason that is not to mock black people but just to dress up like the guy they are a fan of so making fun of him isn;t the only reason to use dark makeup in this example, but people seem to always choose to not see that and only see the racist thing, if you know what I mean (my English isn't that great so apologies if it may come over as ignorant because I just really try to understand.)


You are asking the same thing over and over but I am not sure there is a definitive answer. It lies in the intention to paint your face black with repect to the history behind it. I personally have never seen any children or adults paint their faces in order to look like "1978 Michael Jackson" for Halloween or any other occasion, it is simply not a thing. Your example feels like more of a hypothetical which holds little substance in this argument of whether black face is offensive.

With respect to Zappa's album cover - he never commented on it so he may have done it to get a rise - he liked doing things that created a ripple - but if people interpreted this cover as black-face and were offended, well, they have reason.



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Reply #74 posted 11/02/18 12:41am

JorisE73

DiminutiveRocker said:

JorisE73 said:


I know the history of blackface but these days if you paint yourself black it's already considered blackface. Is Frank Zappa's Joe Garage album cover considered blackface?
And kids dressing up like '1978 Michael Jackson' for a dress up party or Halloween is a reason that is not to mock black people but just to dress up like the guy they are a fan of so making fun of him isn;t the only reason to use dark makeup in this example, but people seem to always choose to not see that and only see the racist thing, if you know what I mean (my English isn't that great so apologies if it may come over as ignorant because I just really try to understand.)


You are asking the same thing over and over but I am not sure there is a definitive answer. It lies in the intention to paint your face black with repect to the history behind it. I personally have never seen any children or adults paint their faces in order to look like "1978 Michael Jackson" for Halloween or any other occasion, it is simply not a thing. Your example feels like more of a hypothetical which holds little substance in this argument of whether black face is offensive.

With respect to Zappa's album cover - he never commented on it so he may have done it to get a rise - he liked doing things that created a ripple - but if people interpreted this cover as black-face and were offended, well, they have reason.



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I'm not arguing if Blackface is offensive, I think it's offensive and plain stupid.
I'm asking the same thing over and over because I try to understand if 'Blackface' has changed over the years. I dressed up like 1978 MJ in 1980 for a dress up birthday party (I was 7 years old and a fan and still am a big fan of MJ and I'm pasty white) and my parents and me didn't get any complaints about it from non white people or didn't see any harm in it. But than again 'Blackface' wasn't really a thing back then in Holland. Somehow I think it wouldn't go over that well these day simply because people only see a white person using darker makeup to make themself look like a black person without looking at the intention.
Again no offence I'm just trying to understand.
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Reply #75 posted 11/02/18 8:21am

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JorisE73 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


You are asking the same thing over and over but I am not sure there is a definitive answer. It lies in the intention to paint your face black with repect to the history behind it. I personally have never seen any children or adults paint their faces in order to look like "1978 Michael Jackson" for Halloween or any other occasion, it is simply not a thing. Your example feels like more of a hypothetical which holds little substance in this argument of whether black face is offensive.

With respect to Zappa's album cover - he never commented on it so he may have done it to get a rise - he liked doing things that created a ripple - but if people interpreted this cover as black-face and were offended, well, they have reason.



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I'm not arguing if Blackface is offensive, I think it's offensive and plain stupid.
I'm asking the same thing over and over because I try to understand if 'Blackface' has changed over the years. I dressed up like 1978 MJ in 1980 for a dress up birthday party (I was 7 years old and a fan and still am a big fan of MJ and I'm pasty white) and my parents and me didn't get any complaints about it from non white people or didn't see any harm in it. But than again 'Blackface' wasn't really a thing back then in Holland. Somehow I think it wouldn't go over that well these day simply because people only see a white person using darker makeup to make themself look like a black person without looking at the intention.
Again no offence I'm just trying to understand.
thumbs up!


Well, if you were a child and in Holland, I can see why it wasn't shocking or offensive in your native community. I am admittedly not at all versed in Dutch history, but was there slavery there like there was in the U.S.? Were there minsteral shows mocking black people/slaves? Was there severe discrimination against black people? Did black people have voting rights? Was there racism that included segregation by race in schools, restaurants, public arenas - just to name a few? Was the KKK pervasive in Holland?

To answer your question - black face is offensive because of it stands for historically - not understanding that, especially in this country, is a gross insensitivity - Megyn Kelly is an example.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #76 posted 11/02/18 8:37am

Camileyun

DiminutiveRocker said:

JorisE73 said:


I'm not arguing if Blackface is offensive, I think it's offensive and plain stupid.
I'm asking the same thing over and over because I try to understand if 'Blackface' has changed over the years. I dressed up like 1978 MJ in 1980 for a dress up birthday party (I was 7 years old and a fan and still am a big fan of MJ and I'm pasty white) and my parents and me didn't get any complaints about it from non white people or didn't see any harm in it. But than again 'Blackface' wasn't really a thing back then in Holland. Somehow I think it wouldn't go over that well these day simply because people only see a white person using darker makeup to make themself look like a black person without looking at the intention.
Again no offence I'm just trying to understand.
thumbs up!


Well, if you were a child and in Holland, I can see why it wasn't shocking or offensive in your native community. I am admittedly not at all versed in Dutch history, but was there slavery there like there was in the U.S.? Were there minsteral shows mocking black people/slaves? Was there severe discrimination against black people? Did black people have voting rights? Was there racism that included segregation by race in schools, restaurants, public arenas - just to name a few? Was the KKK pervasive in Holland?

To answer your question - black face is offensive because of it stands for historically - not understanding that, especially in this country, is a gross insensitivity - Megyn Kelly is an example.

Great answer...

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Reply #77 posted 11/04/18 11:30pm

JorisE73

DiminutiveRocker said:

JorisE73 said:


I'm not arguing if Blackface is offensive, I think it's offensive and plain stupid.
I'm asking the same thing over and over because I try to understand if 'Blackface' has changed over the years. I dressed up like 1978 MJ in 1980 for a dress up birthday party (I was 7 years old and a fan and still am a big fan of MJ and I'm pasty white) and my parents and me didn't get any complaints about it from non white people or didn't see any harm in it. But than again 'Blackface' wasn't really a thing back then in Holland. Somehow I think it wouldn't go over that well these day simply because people only see a white person using darker makeup to make themself look like a black person without looking at the intention.
Again no offence I'm just trying to understand.
thumbs up!


Well, if you were a child and in Holland, I can see why it wasn't shocking or offensive in your native community. I am admittedly not at all versed in Dutch history, but was there slavery there like there was in the U.S.? Were there minsteral shows mocking black people/slaves? Was there severe discrimination against black people? Did black people have voting rights? Was there racism that included segregation by race in schools, restaurants, public arenas - just to name a few? Was the KKK pervasive in Holland?

To answer your question - black face is offensive because of it stands for historically - not understanding that, especially in this country, is a gross insensitivity - Megyn Kelly is an example.


Ok, undertsood. sadly Holland was a big part of the whole slavery thing in the US. In Holland racism wasn't just towards black people but basically towards anyone who didn't 'look' Dutch when I grew up, we had our own minstrel style show every year with Sinterklaas (santa clause) and his Zwarte Piet (black pete). When I was a kid I didn't think anything of it and was only exsited about the fact of getting presents and being scared that zwarte piet would come get me because they knew if I was naughty theat year. When I grew older I started to see the retarded ways of how people were representing and acting out zwarte piet (using a really retarded 'black voice', full on blackface and just being complete minstrel style show assholes.) and now every year there is this whole protest thing around this time against 'Zwart Piet'.

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