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Reply #30 posted 10/30/18 5:06pm

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benni said:

Camileyun said:

Interesting you should say that, because that is why the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified...The Democrats were so against the Civil Rights Act and giving African Americans full citizenship, that the Republicans made sure it could never be reversed by insisting it be included in the Constitution, even though it was redundant. What you say cannot happen...checks and balances are there to prevent a Pres. from having that kind of power.

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Except that the Checks and Balances have not been working since Trump took office. All those that spoke out so loudly against Trump the candidate, suddenly seem to be in his pocket and ignore almost everything he does. There is hardly any Republican that has spoken out against any actions Trump has taken, and in fact, seem to overlook his actions the majority of the time.

100% right.

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Reply #31 posted 10/30/18 5:12pm

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benni said:

Camileyun said:

Interesting you should say that, because that is why the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified...The Democrats were so against the Civil Rights Act and giving African Americans full citizenship, that the Republicans made sure it could never be reversed by insisting it be included in the Constitution, even though it was redundant. What you say cannot happen...checks and balances are there to prevent a Pres. from having that kind of power.

[Edited 10/30/18 15:34pm]


Except that the Checks and Balances have not been working since Trump took office. All those that spoke out so loudly against Trump the candidate, suddenly seem to be in his pocket and ignore almost everything he does. There is hardly any Republican that has spoken out against any actions Trump has taken, and in fact, seem to overlook his actions the majority of the time.



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Reply #32 posted 10/30/18 7:19pm

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benni said:

Camileyun said:

Interesting you should say that, because that is why the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified...The Democrats were so against the Civil Rights Act and giving African Americans full citizenship, that the Republicans made sure it could never be reversed by insisting it be included in the Constitution, even though it was redundant. What you say cannot happen...checks and balances are there to prevent a Pres. from having that kind of power.

[Edited 10/30/18 15:34pm]


Except that the Checks and Balances have not been working since Trump took office. All those that spoke out so loudly against Trump the candidate, suddenly seem to be in his pocket and ignore almost everything he does. There is hardly any Republican that has spoken out against any actions Trump has taken, and in fact, seem to overlook his actions the majority of the time.

We are in grave danger of losing our democracy. That's why Tuesday's elections are so important. If Trump, or any conservative president, gets to pick any more supreme court justices, and we end up with a conservative president, conservative congress, and conservative supreme court, we can kiss equality and individual rights goodbye.

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Reply #33 posted 10/31/18 12:45pm

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tmo1965 said:

benni said:


Except that the Checks and Balances have not been working since Trump took office. All those that spoke out so loudly against Trump the candidate, suddenly seem to be in his pocket and ignore almost everything he does. There is hardly any Republican that has spoken out against any actions Trump has taken, and in fact, seem to overlook his actions the majority of the time.

We are in grave danger of losing our democracy. That's why Tuesday's elections are so important. If Trump, or any conservative president, gets to pick any more supreme court justices, and we end up with a conservative president, conservative congress, and conservative supreme court, we can kiss equality and individual rights goodbye.


^ In a nutshell. nod

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Reply #34 posted 10/31/18 12:46pm

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tmo1965 said:

benni said:


Except that the Checks and Balances have not been working since Trump took office. All those that spoke out so loudly against Trump the candidate, suddenly seem to be in his pocket and ignore almost everything he does. There is hardly any Republican that has spoken out against any actions Trump has taken, and in fact, seem to overlook his actions the majority of the time.

We are in grave danger of losing our democracy. That's why Tuesday's elections are so important. If Trump, or any conservative president, gets to pick any more supreme court justices, and we end up with a conservative president, conservative congress, and conservative supreme court, we can kiss equality and individual rights goodbye.



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Reply #35 posted 10/31/18 12:50pm

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tmo1965 said:



benni said:




Camileyun said:



Interesting you should say that, because that is why the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified...The Democrats were so against the Civil Rights Act and giving African Americans full citizenship, that the Republicans made sure it could never be reversed by insisting it be included in the Constitution, even though it was redundant. What you say cannot happen...checks and balances are there to prevent a Pres. from having that kind of power.


[Edited 10/30/18 15:34pm]




Except that the Checks and Balances have not been working since Trump took office. All those that spoke out so loudly against Trump the candidate, suddenly seem to be in his pocket and ignore almost everything he does. There is hardly any Republican that has spoken out against any actions Trump has taken, and in fact, seem to overlook his actions the majority of the time.



We are in grave danger of losing our democracy. That's why Tuesday's elections are so important. If Trump, or any conservative president, gets to pick any more supreme court justices, and we end up with a conservative president, conservative congress, and conservative supreme court, we can kiss equality and individual rights goodbye.




Ironic... You say Democracy is in danger and they say that if we had democracy it would be bad?
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Reply #36 posted 11/01/18 11:36am

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I never thought I'd hear my self say Paul Ryan is correct - but stranger things have happened.

Some facts to ponder, even though we know 30% of the country ignores them - here is an OPEd supported by facts (those pesky things)


https://www.washingtonpos...460383bbb8:


Our Constitution could not be clearer that it is Congress, not the president, who is in the driver’s seat when it comes to immigration. Congress has specific powers over immigration in Article I; the president, none whatsoever, except as Congress has given to him by statute. And Congress has already spoken. In 1952, Congress declared, “The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth . . . a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”



Indeed, once upon a time, in the fall of 2015, candidate Trump recognized that pesky Article I problem. A television host asked him, “The courts have ruled twice against the anchor baby stuff. You’d have to get a constitutional amendment passed to overturn that.” Mr. Trump’s answer: “You don’t have to do a constitutional amendment. You need an act of Congress. I’m telling you — you need an act of Congress. Everybody thought you needed a constitutional amendment. You don’t need that.”


He was wrong — a constitutional amendment would indeed be necessary to revoke birthright citizenship. But no matter what, an executive order could never suffice, notwithstanding the president’s assertion to Axios: “You can definitely do it with an act of Congress. But now they’re saying I can do it just with an executive order.” Whoever they are, they have it wrong. An executive order to reinterpret “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” could never pass muster because, if the Constitution provides any leeway to decide the meaning of that phrase, it provides it to Congress, and not the president.

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