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Reply #60 posted 11/06/18 7:07am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

reading it...

"...within the Democratic Party, I think there is a big debate about how to deal with Trump because he has no boundaries. He’s willing to do anything and say anything to promote his interests. It’s a values-free politics; it’s an amoral politics. And so, there is this body of thought that you have to fight fire with fire and so on. But I worry that we’ll all be consumed in the conflagration.”



That is spot-on.

I think someone needs to lead a separate offense against Trump and his constant lying. Someone not elected to office. Someone not affiliated with the Democratic party in any way. Someone that until recently was a registered Republican. Someone that has had enough.

I wonder if I know anyone like that?

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Reply #61 posted 11/07/18 7:44am

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RodeoSchro said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

reading it...

"...within the Democratic Party, I think there is a big debate about how to deal with Trump because he has no boundaries. He’s willing to do anything and say anything to promote his interests. It’s a values-free politics; it’s an amoral politics. And so, there is this body of thought that you have to fight fire with fire and so on. But I worry that we’ll all be consumed in the conflagration.”



That is spot-on.

I think someone needs to lead a separate offense against Trump and his constant lying. Someone not elected to office. Someone not affiliated with the Democratic party in any way. Someone that until recently was a registered Republican. Someone that has had enough.

I wonder if I know anyone like that?


I also heard another intresting comment. Trump does not cmapiagn on policy - he campaigned on immigration which is not a policy issue - he is waging a cultural war much like someone did in 1930s Germany. That he has his "base" riled up over 1000 people trying to seek refuge from their own corrupt countries and calls them an "invasion" - sedning real trips to the border. disbelief We are a country of 300 million and we are being invaded by 1000 people? Really? He knows his clueless base will believe anything he says - they show him their narrow-minded cards everytime he speaks and they clap.

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Reply #62 posted 11/07/18 8:15am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



RodeoSchro said:




DiminutiveRocker said:


reading it...

"...within the Democratic Party, I think there is a big debate about how to deal with Trump because he has no boundaries. He’s willing to do anything and say anything to promote his interests. It’s a values-free politics; it’s an amoral politics. And so, there is this body of thought that you have to fight fire with fire and so on. But I worry that we’ll all be consumed in the conflagration.”





That is spot-on.

I think someone needs to lead a separate offense against Trump and his constant lying. Someone not elected to office. Someone not affiliated with the Democratic party in any way. Someone that until recently was a registered Republican. Someone that has had enough.

I wonder if I know anyone like that?





I also heard another intresting comment. Trump does not cmapiagn on policy - he campaigned on immigration which is not a policy issue - he is waging a cultural war much like someone did in 1930s Germany. That he has his "base" riled up over 1000 people trying to seek refuge from their own corrupt countries and calls them an "invasion" - sedning real trips to the border. disbelief We are a country of 300 million and we are being invaded by 1000 people? Really? He knows his clueless base will believe anything he says - they show him their narrow-minded cards everytime he speaks and they clap.




He and his right-wing assholes were full-on in Nazi mode this last election. It has been so sickening.
More sickening than that is seeing his nazi rallies and how many of these crazy trump-hat bastards there are here in the melting pot of the world
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Reply #63 posted 11/07/18 8:34am

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With the dems taking over the majority in the house, I'm just glad that Mueller work will be safe now. Even if trump gets his new attorney general to fire Mueller, his findings would still stand and be taken up by the intelligence committee lead by Adam Schiff. Either way, whatever evidence Mueller & Co. has found, it eventually will become public knowledge now as opposed to yesterday when we had Devin Nunes determined to cover his leader at all cost (even his seat apparently, lol)

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Reply #64 posted 11/07/18 9:22am

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With the dems taking over the majority in the house, I'm just glad that Mueller work will be safe now. Even if trump gets his new attorney general to fire Mueller, his findings would still stand and be taken up by the intelligence committee lead by Adam Schiff. Either way, whatever evidence Mueller & Co. has found, it eventually will become public knowledge now as opposed to yesterday when we had Devin Nunes determined to cover his leader at all cost (even his seat apparently, lol)

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Amen
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Reply #65 posted 11/07/18 9:49am

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As with EVERYTHING, what they accuse, THEY DO. They cried about Kavannaugh's accuser saying that liberals will now just make fake claims and that the male race is in grave danger. And who is now doing this?? REPUBLICANS!

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Reply #66 posted 11/07/18 9:52am

Musicslave

And the investigation continues....

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/stone-associates-in-front-of-grand-jury/index.html

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Two Roger Stone associates go before Mueller's grand jury

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Washington (CNN)Roger Stone's allies are springing to his defense -- in front of a grand jury -- as special counsel Robert Mueller's team continues its investigation into Stone.

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Two of Stone's associates, filmmaker David Lugo and attorney Tyler Nixon, said they have testified in recent weeks in front of Mueller's grand jury. In interviews with CNN and other media outlets, both men have said they witnessed New York radio host and political activist Randy Credico refer to himself as Stone's intermediary to WikiLeaks.
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Stone, a longtime adviser to President Donald Trump, has been under scrutiny over whether he had advance knowledge that WikiLeaks would release hacked material during the 2016 presidential campaign and whether he shared any of that material with members of the Trump campaign. Roughly a dozen of Stone's current and former associates have been contacted by Mueller's team for interviews or to testify before the grand jury. An attorney for Stone said Stone still has not been contacted.

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Reply #67 posted 11/07/18 1:00pm

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Musicslave said:

With the dems taking over the majority in the house, I'm just glad that Mueller work will be safe now. Even if trump gets his new attorney general to fire Mueller, his findings would still stand and be taken up by the intelligence committee lead by Adam Schiff. Either way, whatever evidence Mueller & Co. has found, it eventually will become public knowledge now as opposed to yesterday when we had Devin Nunes determined to cover his leader at all cost (even his seat apparently, lol)

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I despise Devon Nunez. Schiff will be the committee chair, thank God.

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Reply #68 posted 11/07/18 1:01pm

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Roger Stone.
Before I knew anything about him, i gave him 100% benefit of the doubt. He was just a name. But once you hear him. Once he starts talking. He comes off as the shadiest motherfucker you ever saw.

I don’t know what he’s done, or if any of it is against the law, but he sounds like he is capable of whatever they could acuse him of. lol
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Reply #69 posted 11/07/18 1:04pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Roger Stone. Before I knew anything about him, i gave him 100% benefit of the doubt. He was just a name. But once you hear him. Once he starts talking. He comes off as the shadiest motherfucker you ever saw. I don’t know what he’s done, or if any of it is against the law, but he sounds like he is capable of whatever they could acuse him of. lol



He's the dirtiest of the dirty. The slimiest of the slimey. If he and only he ever goes to jail out of all this, I'll go to bed a happy man. Roger Stone is an absolutely horrible, nasty, dirty, crooked person.

And he's PROUD of that.

Do yourself a favor, if you're of a mind - just trust me on what I said. Don't read up on what Roger Stone has done over the years. You'll just get very, very mad.

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Reply #70 posted 11/07/18 1:05pm

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Musicslave said:

And the investigation continues....

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/stone-associates-in-front-of-grand-jury/index.html

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Two Roger Stone associates go before Mueller's grand jury

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Washington (CNN)Roger Stone's allies are springing to his defense -- in front of a grand jury -- as special counsel Robert Mueller's team continues its investigation into Stone.

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Two of Stone's associates, filmmaker David Lugo and attorney Tyler Nixon, said they have testified in recent weeks in front of Mueller's grand jury. In interviews with CNN and other media outlets, both men have said they witnessed New York radio host and political activist Randy Credico refer to himself as Stone's intermediary to WikiLeaks.
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Stone, a longtime adviser to President Donald Trump, has been under scrutiny over whether he had advance knowledge that WikiLeaks would release hacked material during the 2016 presidential campaign and whether he shared any of that material with members of the Trump campaign. Roughly a dozen of Stone's current and former associates have been contacted by Mueller's team for interviews or to testify before the grand jury. An attorney for Stone said Stone still has not been contacted.



That's because they never interview the person they're going to indict.

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Reply #71 posted 11/07/18 1:06pm

Musicslave

Figured it was appropriate here too....

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-acting-attorney-general-wanted-limits-on-mueller%E2%80%99s-trump-probe/ar-BBPsoyk?li=BBnb7Kz

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New acting attorney general wanted limits on Mueller’s Trump probe

Steve Goldstein
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The new acting attorney general doesn’t think much of Robert Mueller’s alleged look into President Trump’s finances.

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Matthew Whitaker, who on Wednesday was named by Trump as acting attorney general after the resignation of Jeff Sessions, spelled out his views in a CNN opinion piece authored just a month before he joined the Justice Department as Session’s chief of staff.

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“It does not take a lawyer or even a former federal prosecutor like myself to conclude that investigating Donald Trump’s finances or his family’s finances falls completely outside of the realm of his 2016 campaign and allegations that the campaign coordinated with the Russian government or anyone else. That goes beyond the scope of the appointment of the special counsel.” — Matthew Whitaker

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Not limited the probe, Whitaker argued, would lead to a fishing expedition.

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Whitaker now will oversee the Mueller investigation, according to published reports, taking over from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

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Rosenstein oversaw the Mueller investigation because Sessions, to Trump’s oft-expressed dismay, recused himself because he was a member of the president’s campaign.

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It should be noted that the order authorizing Mueller...ppointment says that the investigation should not just look at any links or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump presidential campaign, but any matters that arise from the investigation.

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Reply #72 posted 11/07/18 1:07pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Musicslave said:

And the investigation continues....

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/stone-associates-in-front-of-grand-jury/index.html

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Two Roger Stone associates go before Mueller's grand jury

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Washington (CNN)Roger Stone's allies are springing to his defense -- in front of a grand jury -- as special counsel Robert Mueller's team continues its investigation into Stone.

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Two of Stone's associates, filmmaker David Lugo and attorney Tyler Nixon, said they have testified in recent weeks in front of Mueller's grand jury. In interviews with CNN and other media outlets, both men have said they witnessed New York radio host and political activist Randy Credico refer to himself as Stone's intermediary to WikiLeaks.
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Stone, a longtime adviser to President Donald Trump, has been under scrutiny over whether he had advance knowledge that WikiLeaks would release hacked material during the 2016 presidential campaign and whether he shared any of that material with members of the Trump campaign. Roughly a dozen of Stone's current and former associates have been contacted by Mueller's team for interviews or to testify before the grand jury. An attorney for Stone said Stone still has not been contacted.



That's because they never interview the person they're going to indict.

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Yup. Stone knows he's a marked man. Said so on national television and radio.

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Reply #73 posted 11/08/18 12:35pm

Musicslave

Mueller's Team Has Begun Writing Its Final Report In The Russia Probe

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I for one, believe that Mueller as he's been the whole time since he's taken over this investigation, is at least 10 steps ahead of donald. I'm quite sure he anticipated Sessions firing yesterday. I'm sure he's well aware that donald wants the investigation to end.

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I wouldn't be surprised if we get more indictments soon, as his team wraps up his final report. I believe that he'd like to interview donald but is not banking on it to finish his report.

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Supposedly, donald and his team are preparing to answer Mueller's question in written form.

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Things can/will get ugly really fast with this situation.

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Reply #74 posted 11/08/18 2:57pm

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Musicslave said:

Mueller's Team Has Begun Writing Its Final Report In The Russia Probe

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I for one, believe that Mueller as he's been the whole time since he's taken over this investigation, is at least 10 steps ahead of donald. I'm quite sure he anticipated Sessions firing yesterday. I'm sure he's well aware that donald wants the investigation to end.

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I wouldn't be surprised if we get more indictments soon, as his team wraps up his final report. I believe that he'd like to interview donald but is not banking on it to finish his report.

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Supposedly, donald and his team are preparing to answer Mueller's question in written form.

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Things can/will get ugly really fast with this situation.


Yes, but doesn't this Trumpafite Whitaker now have to approve said indictments and reports?

Does it matter to the WH or TW that as soon as the new Congress convenes they can subpeona everything uncovered including Mueller?

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Reply #75 posted 11/08/18 4:41pm

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🔥🔥🔥DC source: Arrest of Donald Trump Jr. is “imminent.”

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Reply #76 posted 11/08/18 4:45pm

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http://nymag.com/intellig...-soon.html


Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to Be Indicted by Mueller Soon

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Reply #77 posted 11/08/18 4:49pm

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Speculation is mounting that Special Counsel Robert Mueller could soon resume issuing subpoenas and indictments, with one report claiming that Donald Trump Jr fears he could be indicted as soon as this week.

Trump Jr has been telling friends he is worried about the possibility of an imminent indictment, three unnamed sources told Vanity Fair.

One source speculated that Mueller could indict him for lying to investigators about whether he told his father in advance about a June 2016 meeting with Russians in Trump Tower to gather dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Trump Jr's lawyer, Alan Futerfas, denied the report, saying: 'Don never said any such thing, and there is absolutely no truth to these rumors.'
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Reply #78 posted 11/08/18 4:51pm

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Nothing would make me happier if Jr is indicated ...other than if Daddy is indicted right after.

I take that back.
Noting would make me happier than to see the orange piece of shit behind bars.
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Reply #79 posted 11/08/18 5:33pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

^ Speculation is mounting that Special Counsel Robert Mueller could soon resume issuing subpoenas and indictments, with one report claiming that Donald Trump Jr fears he could be indicted as soon as this week. Trump Jr has been telling friends he is worried about the possibility of an imminent indictment, three unnamed sources told Vanity Fair. One source speculated that Mueller could indict him for lying to investigators about whether he told his father in advance about a June 2016 meeting with Russians in Trump Tower to gather dirt on Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr's lawyer, Alan Futerfas, denied the report, saying: 'Don never said any such thing, and there is absolutely no truth to these rumors.'


Alt. U.S. Press Sec and Angry WH Staffer are both reporting that they are hearing the same thing, that Jr. is about to be arrested.

[Edited 11/8/18 17:33pm]

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Reply #80 posted 11/09/18 5:35am

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benni said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

^ Speculation is mounting that Special Counsel Robert Mueller could soon resume issuing subpoenas and indictments, with one report claiming that Donald Trump Jr fears he could be indicted as soon as this week. Trump Jr has been telling friends he is worried about the possibility of an imminent indictment, three unnamed sources told Vanity Fair. One source speculated that Mueller could indict him for lying to investigators about whether he told his father in advance about a June 2016 meeting with Russians in Trump Tower to gather dirt on Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr's lawyer, Alan Futerfas, denied the report, saying: 'Don never said any such thing, and there is absolutely no truth to these rumors.'


Alt. U.S. Press Sec and Angry WH Staffer are both reporting that they are hearing the same thing, that Jr. is about to be arrested.

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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller doesn't indict Stone, Kushner and Jr. at the same damn time. Why, because either one of those will tip his hand to team trump to how close to home he is for donald himself. Especially Kushner or Jr. That's family.

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And because that's family, it's likely to cause the inevitiable shitstorm of donald losing his shit and shutting the investigation down through Whitaker (that is if Whitaker doesn't shut it down first).

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Today should be interesting!

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Reply #81 posted 11/09/18 5:45am

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Musicslave said:



benni said:




Ugot2shakesumthin said:


^ Speculation is mounting that Special Counsel Robert Mueller could soon resume issuing subpoenas and indictments, with one report claiming that Donald Trump Jr fears he could be indicted as soon as this week. Trump Jr has been telling friends he is worried about the possibility of an imminent indictment, three unnamed sources told Vanity Fair. One source speculated that Mueller could indict him for lying to investigators about whether he told his father in advance about a June 2016 meeting with Russians in Trump Tower to gather dirt on Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr's lawyer, Alan Futerfas, denied the report, saying: 'Don never said any such thing, and there is absolutely no truth to these rumors.'


Alt. U.S. Press Sec and Angry WH Staffer are both reporting that they are hearing the same thing, that Jr. is about to be arrested.


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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller doesn't indict Stone, Kushner and Jr. at the same damn time. Why, because either one of those will tip his hand to team trump to how close to home he is for donald himself. Especially Kushner or Jr. That's family.


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And because that's family, it's likely to cause the inevitiable shitstorm of donald losing his shit and shutting the investigation down through Whitaker (that is if Whitaker doesn't shut it down first).


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Today should be interesting!





Can daddy pardon his son? I mean pardon his son like the third world dictorship that Trump and the GOP are creating?
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Reply #82 posted 11/09/18 5:53am

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Nothing would make me happier if Jr is indicated ...other than if Daddy is indicted right after. I take that back. Noting would make me happier than to see the orange piece of shit behind bars.

I would like one step further..... lol

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Reply #83 posted 11/09/18 5:59am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Musicslave said:

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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller doesn't indict Stone, Kushner and Jr. at the same damn time. Why, because either one of those will tip his hand to team trump to how close to home he is for donald himself. Especially Kushner or Jr. That's family.

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And because that's family, it's likely to cause the inevitiable shitstorm of donald losing his shit and shutting the investigation down through Whitaker (that is if Whitaker doesn't shut it down first).

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Today should be interesting!

Can daddy pardon his son? I mean pardon his son like the third world dictorship that Trump and the GOP are creating?

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Probably for Fed charges but not State charges. Mueller would likely have the Southern District of NY handle Jr. and Kushner to offset daddy's pardon power with the Feds.

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Reply #84 posted 11/09/18 6:59am

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Excerpts

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/opinion/trump-whitaker-mueller-watergate.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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Mueller Has a Way Around Trump and His Minions

A road map from the Watergate prosecution shows a potential route for the special counsel to send incriminating evidence directly to Congress.

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By Richard Ben-Veniste and George Frampton

Mr. Ben-Veniste and Mr. Frampton worked on the Watergate cover-up task force of the special prosecutor’s office.

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In a stunning move on the heels of the midterm election, President Trump has forced the resignation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and appointed an outspoken critic of the Mueller investigation — Matthew Whitaker — as acting attorney general, shunting Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to the sidelines. This raises the specter of a fearful president attempting to muzzle Special Counsel Robert Mueller or hinder him from revealing whether his 18-month-long grand jury investigation has turned up evidence of criminality implicating Donald Trump or his immediate family.

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But a 44-year-old “road map” from the Watergate prosecution shows a potential route for Mr. Mueller to send incriminating evidence directly to Congress. The road map was devised in 1974 by the Watergate special prosecutor, Leon Jaworski, with our assistance. We wrote the road map — actually a report — to be conveyed to Congress; it was called “Report and Recommendation” and served as a guide to a collection of grand jury evidence contained in a single document. That evidence included still-secret presidential tape recordings that had been acquired through grand jury subpoena — but which had been withheld from Congress by President Nixon.

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The recent decision by Washington’s Federal District Court chief judge, Beryl Howell, to release the document from the National Archives provides a historic legal precedent that could be a vehicle for Mr. Mueller and the grand jury assisting him to share the fruits of their investigation into possible criminal conduct within the Trump presidential campaign and subsequent administration.

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In all the discussion about Mr. Mueller’s options when he concludes his investigation, little attention has been paid to the potential role of the grand jury. Chief Judge Howell’s decision unsealing the Watergate road map brings new focus on the role the grand jury might play in the dynamics of the endgame. Although the grand jury is a powerful tool for federal prosecutors, it has historic and independent power and operates under the supervision of the federal judiciary. Following the Oct. 20, 1973, “Saturday Night Massacre” — in which President Nixon forced the Justice Department to fire the original special prosecutor, Archibald Cox — the Watergate grand jury played a critical role in forcing the president to back down, hand over the subpoenaed tapes and appoint a new special prosecutor.

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Much note has been made of the fact that the Justice Department regulations under which Mr. Mueller was appointed actually require him to submit a report to the attorney general. Importantly, nothing in the department regulations prohibit Mr. Mueller’s Department of Justice superior, now Mr. Whitaker, from refusing to release the report.

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What if Mr. Mueller concludes that the president has committed a crime? The question of whether a sitting president can be indicted remains a subject of vehement debate among scholars. But assuming that Mr. Mueller follows what many regard as “current Justice Department policy” based on several past internal legal opinions that an indictment is inappropriate, then the appropriate place for consideration of evidence that the president has committed crimes rests definitively and exclusively with Congress.

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If Mr. Mueller has obtained such evidence, his responsibility and the correct operation of our system of government compel the conclusion that he and the grand jury can make that evidence available to Congress through a report transmitted by the court.

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With the fox now guarding the henhouse, there is sufficient precedent for the grand jury and Special Counsel Mueller to seek the chief judge’s assistance in transmitting a properly fashioned report to Congress.


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Reply #86 posted 11/09/18 10:52am

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http://nymag.com/intellig...-soon.html


Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to Be Indicted by Mueller Soon

Yes!!! And daddy T is out of the country. lol

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PennyPurple said:

benni said:

http://nymag.com/intellig...-soon.html


Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to Be Indicted by Mueller Soon

Yes!!! And daddy T is out of the country. lol


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I will party if Jr goes to jail. It would be a great day. Not as good as seeing the orange piece of shit going to jail, but knowing daddy would be seething is great comfort.
Crooked Donnie. Lock him up!
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