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Reply #30 posted 11/08/18 7:14am

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My main concern is that liberal/progressive mindsets only took over the cloistered universities and not the means of production.

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Reply #31 posted 11/08/18 7:46am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

peggyon said:

I am a centrist Democrat and have a university degree. I feel that universities have for some time been influenced by the liberal/progessive mind-set to a large extent.

I have a daughter at Columbia U. and she feels many of these beliefs have been taken way too far. I agree.

This is the "snowflake generation"

Feelings need to be validated over facts and information.

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We see it in this P&R forum. Which is expressed in the forum heading.

People get upset quickly if you talk about 'them' ie their race, political label, religion, nation etc

even if you're presenting factual information.

It's not only in the P&R forum, it's every forum here. People who don't even participate in the threads report them and get them shut down. Which is really ridiculous when they don't even have to click on them. All just because they don't like the subject, which they are catered too and the threads are shut down. sad Now that shouldn't be allowed to happen.

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Reply #32 posted 11/08/18 9:26am

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the "snowflake generation"

Feelings need to be validated over facts and information.

.

We see it in this P&R forum. Which is expressed in the forum heading.

People get upset quickly if you talk about 'them' ie their race, political label, religion, nation etc

even if you're presenting factual information.

It's not only in the P&R forum, it's every forum here. People who don't even participate in the threads report them and get them shut down. Which is really ridiculous when they don't even have to click on them. All just because they don't like the subject, which they are catered too and the threads are shut down. sad Now that shouldn't be allowed to happen.

yep it's everywhere. But topics of race religion sexuality people go from 1 - 10 real quick, and when it spills over to other places, it goes sour quickly

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Reply #33 posted 11/08/18 10:00am

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I think that I am most familiar with the university system and I think there is a liberal bias in many of them. UC Berkeley is uber liberal as is Columbia NYC (where my daughter attended). There is a spectrum, of course.

My experience, as a centrist Democrat (I mentioned this before) is that living in Berkeley became intolerable for me as I felt the liberal belief system became dogmatic and if you dared to veer from it, there would be judgement. It's called the Liberal Orthodoxy.

For example, back when my daughter was in pre-school, one could not admit to watching Disney films of any kind, as it was not politically correct; certain types of cars were systematically frowned upon,

parking was/is expensive and if the meter ran out, within minutes, you would get a ticket as Berkeley frowns upon driving in general. The valedictorian of Berkeley High School was a young woman of color who had had a a baby and was an above-average student but certainly not the best student.

Giving the award to the student with the highest GPA was considered uncool as it smacked of "privilege". My daugter was initially placed in a remedial program (She was an A student), so that she could be a role model for the struggling students; I did not feel this was her role. I could list many more experiences. It had an "Alice in Wonderland" feel.

I feel that when this belief system, as any strong belief system is applied to students, they just do not have enough life experience or sense of self to make those decisions yet.

Another factor contributing to the "sensitivity" of some of these students, (IMO) is the advent of "helicopter" parenting and the over-adherence to the "self-esteem" movement. This creates kids who are not familiar with self-mastery and perseverence; "everyone gets a trophy for just being on the team"

Universities have had to create departments to manage parents as they can be quite intrusive; calling professors, arguing about grades etc.

We live in a rough and tumble world and I think it is best to expose our children to as much as possible within reason, so they can cope effectively. This includes being exposed to differing ideas, cultures, cuisines etc.

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peggyon said:

Essentially overly liberal beliefs. I lived in Berkeley, CA for years (until last year), and I noted that many potential conservative speakers at UC Berkeley were often either highly contested or banned. Or, they had to pay for security/extra police for the predictable unrest that would occur after their talks. Charles Murray was one such person.

My daughter has mentioned that some claim to be so "sensitive" they state they suffer from "micro-agressions" from those who do not align with their world-view.

They are missing out on alternative views and I cannot imagine how this is preparing them for the messy, real world.

[Edited 11/7/18 16:41pm]

[Edited 11/7/18 16:43pm]


Not allowing a conservative speaker is one such "overly liberal belief." Are there more? Is this display of overly liberal beliefs pervasive in only one place - or is this everywhere? Beyond speaking at a university, can conservative views of people such as Charles Murray be accessed via another medium - and if so, how will 'they' be missing out on alternative views?




[Edited 11/7/18 21:36pm]

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Reply #34 posted 11/08/18 11:20am

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peggyon said:

I think that I am most familiar with the university system and I think there is a liberal bias in many of them. UC Berkeley is uber liberal as is Columbia NYC (where my daughter attended). There is a spectrum, of course.

My experience, as a centrist Democrat (I mentioned this before) is that living in Berkeley became intolerable for me as I felt the liberal belief system became dogmatic and if you dared to veer from it, there would be judgement. It's called the Liberal Orthodoxy.

For example, back when my daughter was in pre-school, one could not admit to watching Disney films of any kind, as it was not politically correct; certain types of cars were systematically frowned upon,

parking was/is expensive and if the meter ran out, within minutes, you would get a ticket as Berkeley frowns upon driving in general. The valedictorian of Berkeley High School was a young woman of color who had had a a baby and was an above-average student but certainly not the best student.

Giving the award to the student with the highest GPA was considered uncool as it smacked of "privilege". My daugter was initially placed in a remedial program (She was an A student), so that she could be a role model for the struggling students; I did not feel this was her role. I could list many more experiences. It had an "Alice in Wonderland" feel.

I feel that when this belief system, as any strong belief system is applied to students, they just do not have enough life experience or sense of self to make those decisions yet.

Another factor contributing to the "sensitivity" of some of these students, (IMO) is the advent of "helicopter" parenting and the over-adherence to the "self-esteem" movement. This creates kids who are not familiar with self-mastery and perseverence; "everyone gets a trophy for just being on the team"

Universities have had to create departments to manage parents as they can be quite intrusive; calling professors, arguing about grades etc.

We live in a rough and tumble world and I think it is best to expose our children to as much as possible within reason, so they can cope effectively. This includes being exposed to differing ideas, cultures, cuisines etc.

DiminutiveRocker said:


Not allowing a conservative speaker is one such "overly liberal belief." Are there more? Is this display of overly liberal beliefs pervasive in only one place - or is this everywhere? Beyond speaking at a university, can conservative views of people such as Charles Murray be accessed via another medium - and if so, how will 'they' be missing out on alternative views?




[Edited 11/7/18 21:36pm]

Interesting. My eldest niece (who was home-schooled through high school, by choice) graduated with honors from UC Berkeley before she went on to get her masters at LSE. I asked her what she thought about your perspective and she does not share your feelings at all. She said she had college friends who varied from moderate to extremely liberal, and they coexisted happily. While Berkeley has a history of cultivating a liberal environment, she said most people walk their talk. She said people she knew with a strong point of view usually did their due diligence on a topic or issue before extrapolating on it. She felt she was exposed to various points of view during her time there, and her friends varied in gender, race and interests. She felt that she got an excellent education. Also, my friend's son is a sophomore there now - he and his family are what I'd call moderately liberal and he seems to be thriving and doing quite well in his collegiate environment.

Berkeley has a long history of being progressive so if you are much more moderate than progressive and leaning even a little towards being a conservative Democrat, I can understand your personal discomfort and your choice to move was probably a good one.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #35 posted 11/08/18 5:16pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

peggyon said:

I think that I am most familiar with the university system and I think there is a liberal bias in many of them. UC Berkeley is uber liberal as is Columbia NYC (where my daughter attended). There is a spectrum, of course.

My experience, as a centrist Democrat (I mentioned this before) is that living in Berkeley became intolerable for me as I felt the liberal belief system became dogmatic and if you dared to veer from it, there would be judgement. It's called the Liberal Orthodoxy.

For example, back when my daughter was in pre-school, one could not admit to watching Disney films of any kind, as it was not politically correct; certain types of cars were systematically frowned upon,

parking was/is expensive and if the meter ran out, within minutes, you would get a ticket as Berkeley frowns upon driving in general. The valedictorian of Berkeley High School was a young woman of color who had had a a baby and was an above-average student but certainly not the best student.

Giving the award to the student with the highest GPA was considered uncool as it smacked of "privilege". My daugter was initially placed in a remedial program (She was an A student), so that she could be a role model for the struggling students; I did not feel this was her role. I could list many more experiences. It had an "Alice in Wonderland" feel.

I feel that when this belief system, as any strong belief system is applied to students, they just do not have enough life experience or sense of self to make those decisions yet.

Another factor contributing to the "sensitivity" of some of these students, (IMO) is the advent of "helicopter" parenting and the over-adherence to the "self-esteem" movement. This creates kids who are not familiar with self-mastery and perseverence; "everyone gets a trophy for just being on the team"

Universities have had to create departments to manage parents as they can be quite intrusive; calling professors, arguing about grades etc.

We live in a rough and tumble world and I think it is best to expose our children to as much as possible within reason, so they can cope effectively. This includes being exposed to differing ideas, cultures, cuisines etc.

Interesting. My eldest niece (who was home-schooled through high school, by choice) graduated with honors from UC Berkeley before she went on to get her masters at LSE. I asked her what she thought about your perspective and she does not share your feelings at all. She said she had college friends who varied from moderate to extremely liberal, and they coexisted happily. While Berkeley has a history of cultivating a liberal environment, she said most people walk their talk. She said people she knew with a strong point of view usually did their due diligence on a topic or issue before extrapolating on it. She felt she was exposed to various points of view during her time there, and her friends varied in gender, race and interests. She felt that she got an excellent education. Also, my friend's son is a sophomore there now - he and his family are what I'd call moderately liberal and he seems to be thriving and doing quite well in his collegiate environment.

Berkeley has a long history of being progressive so if you are much more moderate than progressive and leaning even a little towards being a conservative Democrat, I can understand your personal discomfort and your choice to move was probably a good one.

With all due respect, I lived there for many years and there were numerous incidents on the campus regarding more conservative speakers. This is not anecdotal.

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Reply #36 posted 11/08/18 5:19pm

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the "snowflake generation"

Feelings need to be validated over facts and information.

.

We see it in this P&R forum. Which is expressed in the forum heading.

People get upset quickly if you talk about 'them' ie their race, political label, religion, nation etc

even if you're presenting factual information.

It's not only in the P&R forum, it's every forum here. People who don't even participate in the threads report them and get them shut down. Which is really ridiculous when they don't even have to click on them. All just because they don't like the subject, which they are catered too and the threads are shut down. sad Now that shouldn't be allowed to happen.

I agree, it is very difficult to have an open discussion here...

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Reply #37 posted 11/09/18 11:41am

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peggyon said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Interesting. My eldest niece (who was home-schooled through high school, by choice) graduated with honors from UC Berkeley before she went on to get her masters at LSE. I asked her what she thought about your perspective and she does not share your feelings at all. She said she had college friends who varied from moderate to extremely liberal, and they coexisted happily. While Berkeley has a history of cultivating a liberal environment, she said most people walk their talk. She said people she knew with a strong point of view usually did their due diligence on a topic or issue before extrapolating on it. She felt she was exposed to various points of view during her time there, and her friends varied in gender, race and interests. She felt that she got an excellent education. Also, my friend's son is a sophomore there now - he and his family are what I'd call moderately liberal and he seems to be thriving and doing quite well in his collegiate environment.

Berkeley has a long history of being progressive so if you are much more moderate than progressive and leaning even a little towards being a conservative Democrat, I can understand your personal discomfort and your choice to move was probably a good one.

With all due respect, I lived there for many years and there were numerous incidents on the campus regarding more conservative speakers. This is not anecdotal.

OK. Like I said, glad you moved and are in a happier place.

[Edited 11/9/18 11:42am]

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Reply #38 posted 11/09/18 11:43am

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the "snowflake generation"

Feelings need to be validated over facts and information.

.

We see it in this P&R forum. Which is expressed in the forum heading.

People get upset quickly if you talk about 'them' ie their race, political label, religion, nation etc

even if you're presenting factual information.

It's not only in the P&R forum, it's every forum here. People who don't even participate in the threads report them and get them shut down. Which is really ridiculous when they don't even have to click on them. All just because they don't like the subject, which they are catered too and the threads are shut down. sad Now that shouldn't be allowed to happen.


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"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #39 posted 11/09/18 8:40pm

Camileyun

A couple books on this subject:
"The Diversity Delusion" by Heather MacDonald
"Springtime for Snowflakes" by Michael Rectenwald
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Reply #40 posted 11/10/18 7:27am

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A couple books on this subject: "The Diversity Delusion" by Heather MacDonald "Springtime for Snowflakes" by Michael Rectenwald

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Reply #41 posted 11/10/18 9:57am

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Those are shitty books. The right is trying to destroy higher learning.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #42 posted 11/12/18 11:55am

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Those are shitty books. The right is trying to destroy higher learning.


Have you read them?
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Reply #43 posted 11/13/18 3:06pm

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^That doesn't sound like a very good idea. There needs to be some form of unity in education otherwise any parent or private school could teach their children whatever they want. A Christian school could teach that the bible is always right and evolution never happened.

Plus, they'd weed out the ugly parts of our history.

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Reply #44 posted 11/13/18 3:07pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I feel it in society and discussions. People are so easily offended now, they feel before thinking and it's affecting how we discuss subjects.

I know this doesn't apply only to liberals. Right wing victimhood is real.

Yep, plenty of snowflakes on the right, the ones who act all badass from far away.

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