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How Should Mass Shootings Be Prevented [DISCUSSION]

With all the mass shootings in the USA going on or in the past, what suggestions or ideas do you think might help alleviate this or even resolve this?



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Reply #1 posted 08/04/19 8:47am

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IT'S OUR GUN LAWS, OR LACK THEREOF.

We need to enact the exact same laws that ALL the other developed countries in the world use, and use effectively. Here's only a short list:

*REAL background checks on ALL gun purchases

*BAN the gun show loophile

*BAN the internet purchase loophole

*MANDATE registration of every gun and every gun transaction

*HOLD RESPONSIBLE the registered owner of a gun for any and every crime committed with that gun

*REQUIRE gun training and regular certification for gun owners

*REQUIRE insurance for gun owners that would cover damages caused by the gun owners gun

*BAN the manufacture and sale of assault-style weapons - FOREVER

*BAN AND CONFISCATE every single large-capacity magazine in the country

*VOTE OUT every single lawmaker that takes even one cent from the NRA

*SUE THE PANTS OFF gun stores that sell guns to straw buyers

That's a start. There isn't a single thing on that list that would prevent or limit any lawful person from owning as many guns as they want.

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Reply #2 posted 08/04/19 8:58am

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Seen this posted on facebook

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Reply #3 posted 08/04/19 10:00am

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RodeoSchro said:

IT'S OUR GUN LAWS, OR LACK THEREOF.

We need to enact the exact same laws that ALL the other developed countries in the world use, and use effectively. Here's only a short list:

*REAL background checks on ALL gun purchases

*BAN the gun show loophile

*BAN the internet purchase loophole

*MANDATE registration of every gun and every gun transaction

*HOLD RESPONSIBLE the registered owner of a gun for any and every crime committed with that gun

*REQUIRE gun training and regular certification for gun owners

*REQUIRE insurance for gun owners that would cover damages caused by the gun owners gun

*BAN the manufacture and sale of assault-style weapons - FOREVER

*BAN AND CONFISCATE every single large-capacity magazine in the country

*VOTE OUT every single lawmaker that takes even one cent from the NRA

*SUE THE PANTS OFF gun stores that sell guns to straw buyers

That's a start. There isn't a single thing on that list that would prevent or limit any lawful person from owning as many guns as they want.

Sanders, Booker and Beto all said as much yesterday. Just a reminder that I've been saying this all along.


My problem with it all is that the above 3 have been a lawmaker for how long? And yet nothing was done then nor I doubt anything will be done now.


This is what happens when a President spreads hate and discord. Twitter needs to ban him. Seriously.

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Reply #4 posted 08/04/19 10:09am

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RodeoSchro said:

IT'S OUR GUN LAWS, OR LACK THEREOF.

We need to enact the exact same laws that ALL the other developed countries in the world use, and use effectively. Here's only a short list:

*REAL background checks on ALL gun purchases

*BAN the gun show loophile

*BAN the internet purchase loophole

*MANDATE registration of every gun and every gun transaction

*HOLD RESPONSIBLE the registered owner of a gun for any and every crime committed with that gun

*REQUIRE gun training and regular certification for gun owners

*REQUIRE insurance for gun owners that would cover damages caused by the gun owners gun

*BAN the manufacture and sale of assault-style weapons - FOREVER

*BAN AND CONFISCATE every single large-capacity magazine in the country

*VOTE OUT every single lawmaker that takes even one cent from the NRA

*SUE THE PANTS OFF gun stores that sell guns to straw buyers

That's a start. There isn't a single thing on that list that would prevent or limit any lawful person from owning as many guns as they want.

Agree.

But i would add something about ammunition regulation a well. You cant do too much about all the weapons out in the wild already, but you can make them less useful if the ammunition is not readily available. It's a consumable that needs to be constantly purchased.

[Edited 8/4/19 10:12am]

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Reply #5 posted 08/04/19 10:20am

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Ban magazines, ban military looking rifles, change culture. Quit saying guns eqals liberty. Nationalize both youtube and Twitter, moderate all hate speech.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #6 posted 08/04/19 10:21am

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US gun laws: Why it won't follow New Zealand's lead

Following a series of mass shootings in the US in recent years, there has been little in the way of sweeping gun-control reforms.


On the federal level, at least, the interest and attention in new legislation has led to almost no action in decades, despite numerous polls showing widespread public support for measures like strengthened background checks and banning certain types of high-capacity gun magazines and military-style assault rifles.



https://www.bbc.com/news/...a-41489552


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Reply #7 posted 08/04/19 10:22am

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System has to change. Biden will not help.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #8 posted 08/04/19 10:29am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Ban magazines, ban military looking rifles, change culture. Quit saying guns eqals liberty. Nationalize both youtube and Twitter, moderate all hate speech.

Yikes

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Reply #9 posted 08/04/19 10:35am

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Yikes yes

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #10 posted 08/04/19 10:39am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Yikes yes

I'll say it again. You're as bad, and at times worse than extremist right wingers.

lol

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Reply #11 posted 08/04/19 10:41am

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PennyPurple said:



RodeoSchro said:


IT'S OUR GUN LAWS, OR LACK THEREOF.

We need to enact the exact same laws that ALL the other developed countries in the world use, and use effectively. Here's only a short list:

*REAL background checks on ALL gun purchases

*BAN the gun show loophile

*BAN the internet purchase loophole

*MANDATE registration of every gun and every gun transaction

*HOLD RESPONSIBLE the registered owner of a gun for any and every crime committed with that gun

*REQUIRE gun training and regular certification for gun owners

*REQUIRE insurance for gun owners that would cover damages caused by the gun owners gun

*BAN the manufacture and sale of assault-style weapons - FOREVER

*BAN AND CONFISCATE every single large-capacity magazine in the country

*VOTE OUT every single lawmaker that takes even one cent from the NRA

*SUE THE PANTS OFF gun stores that sell guns to straw buyers

That's a start. There isn't a single thing on that list that would prevent or limit any lawful person from owning as many guns as they want.



Sanders, Booker and Beto all said as much yesterday. Just a reminder that I've been saying this all along.



My problem with it all is that the above 3 have been a lawmaker for how long? And yet nothing was done then nor I doubt anything will be done now.



This is what happens when a President spreads hate and discord. Twitter needs to ban him. Seriously.


Senator Booker worked tirelessly with gang members to try and bring peace between them in Newark, NJ. There was a documentary on his work with them. He tried very hard to stop the gun violence in his community.
Rest in Power Elijah Cummings. Thank you for your fight for human rights/justice. Your legacy will never die in vain.
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Reply #12 posted 08/04/19 10:41am

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2freaky4church1 said:

System has to change. Biden will not help.

I agree, Biden will not help. He is too old school.

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Reply #13 posted 08/04/19 10:44am

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luv4u said:

Seen this posted on facebook

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Yes the 249 mass shootings in the U.S. in 2019, was mentioned on the other thread. It’s a shame.
Rest in Power Elijah Cummings. Thank you for your fight for human rights/justice. Your legacy will never die in vain.
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Reply #14 posted 08/04/19 10:45am

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PennyPurple said:

RodeoSchro said:

IT'S OUR GUN LAWS, OR LACK THEREOF.

We need to enact the exact same laws that ALL the other developed countries in the world use, and use effectively. Here's only a short list:

*REAL background checks on ALL gun purchases

*BAN the gun show loophile

*BAN the internet purchase loophole

*MANDATE registration of every gun and every gun transaction

*HOLD RESPONSIBLE the registered owner of a gun for any and every crime committed with that gun

*REQUIRE gun training and regular certification for gun owners

*REQUIRE insurance for gun owners that would cover damages caused by the gun owners gun

*BAN the manufacture and sale of assault-style weapons - FOREVER

*BAN AND CONFISCATE every single large-capacity magazine in the country

*VOTE OUT every single lawmaker that takes even one cent from the NRA

*SUE THE PANTS OFF gun stores that sell guns to straw buyers

That's a start. There isn't a single thing on that list that would prevent or limit any lawful person from owning as many guns as they want.

Sanders, Booker and Beto all said as much yesterday. Just a reminder that I've been saying this all along.


My problem with it all is that the above 3 have been a lawmaker for how long? And yet nothing was done then nor I doubt anything will be done now.


This is what happens when a President spreads hate and discord. Twitter needs to ban him. Seriously.



I posted this on the El Paso thread. Here's what we have to focus on:


Focus on the head of the snake.

It doesn't what law or regulation you want to discuss - every single one of them has been defeated or stymied by the Republcans and the NRA.

Cut the head off the snake. Kill the NRA as an organization. Render it powerless. Assign the blame and hold them responsible for these deaths, because they ARE responsible for these deaths.

Do not lose focus.

Regardless of the changes you want to see, they will not happen as long as the NRA has the GOP in its pocket.

Almost 95% of Americans favor increased background checks. Can you think of ANYTHING ELSE that almost 95% of Americans favor? I can't. And yet, do we have increased background checks?

No.

Why don't we have something that almost 95% of Americans want?

Because the NRA has the GOP in its pocket, and the NRA does not want increased background checks (despite the fact that more than 60% of its own members want them).

You can't kill the GOP but you CAN kill the NRA. In fact, it's been greatly weakened this past year but make NO mistake - it still has the entire GOP in its pocket.

FOCUS ON THE NRA. Get rid of it, and then we can make progress.

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[Edited 8/4/19 10:51am]

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[Off topic snip - luv4u]

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Reply #16 posted 08/04/19 11:15am

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Now let's see what Mitch the Bitch does.

Will he or won't he?

Washington (CNN)As the nation reeled Sunday morning from news of a second mass shooting in the span of 13 hours, Democratic lawmakers began demanding that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell take action this week on long-stalled gun control legislation they argue could help prevent the next large-scale tragedy.

"I hope that Sen. McConnell would bring the Senate back tomorrow and pass the background check bill and send it to the President. The President must sign it. Period," Ohio Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

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Reply #17 posted 08/04/19 11:20am

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PennyPurple said:

Now let's see what Mitch the Bitch does.

Will he or won't he?

Washington (CNN)As the nation reeled Sunday morning from news of a second mass shooting in the span of 13 hours, Democratic lawmakers began demanding that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell take action this week on long-stalled gun control legislation they argue could help prevent the next large-scale tragedy.

"I hope that Sen. McConnell would bring the Senate back tomorrow and pass the background check bill and send it to the President. The President must sign it. Period," Ohio Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."



I'll bet you that Moscow Mitch will not bring the bill to a vote in the Senate this Millenium.

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Reply #18 posted 08/04/19 11:24am

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RodeoSchro said:

PennyPurple said:

Now let's see what Mitch the Bitch does.

Will he or won't he?



I'll bet you that Moscow Mitch will not bring the bill to a vote in the Senate this Millenium.

If he doesn't pay attention to this call to action, every damn repub needs to be voted out. The people are demanding this, it is now on their shoulders.

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Reply #19 posted 08/04/19 12:28pm

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luv4u said:

With all the mass shootings in the USA going on or in the past, what suggestions or ideas do you think might help alleviate this or even resolve this?

In no particular order:

Stricter background checks

Stricter rules on who can own guns

Stricter controls on places that sell guns

Strong condemnation of ideology of shooters

Education (from those who have relatives killed and from those who have spent decades in prison)

Mental health higher on the agenda

Better social media controls to identify possible shooters

No bribary to politicians from NRA

Gun amnesty

Protests/petitions/constant lobbying

I'm sure there's lots more.

[Edited 8/4/19 12:31pm]

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:



guitarslinger44 said:


Ugot2shakesumthin said:


How do YOU explain that we have nearly the same laws as those places, WE have mass killings.


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Same laws different outcomes.


You tell me.


Clearly we're not the same, and we need better protections.


[Edited 8/3/19 19:27pm]



We dont have thr same laws though. Look it up. You want government to solve a problem that can only be solved by the people.

I said nearly the same.


Your laws better? Lol


Do tell.


And the people are the government.


But you tell me. Tell us how to solve this.



[Edited 8/3/19 19:33pm]



Geofencing.

We have too many guns in circulation and it would be practically impossible to round them all up, so as far as I can see, putting chips in all ammunition sold that renders it useless in certain areas is a good start. It won't eradicate the problem, but it'll create a situation where if someone REALLY wants to shoot up a school or mall or anywhere else outside the geofenced locations where said bullets would work, they'll have a create their own ammo (dangerous, could possibly kill/maim them *small violin plays*), hack the bullets themselves (still difficult depending on how they're made, could also constitute a federal crime), or get bullets created before the date where geofenced bullets were made (takes care of itself over a long enough period of time and could be prohibitively expensive.)

I also think adding this tech to newly made guns would help, along with adding fingerprint sensors in addition to a safety. Make it so that bullets have to be "attached" to a specific gun to work, similar to how Bluetooth works.

Now, of course, this would be attempt to be stymied by the NRA, but it's a solution that puts to rest the "they're takin muh guns" shit and makes them much more complicated to use so that the average lunatic or thug needs to go to greater lengths to be able to do something bad with them.

Granted all this would probably take awhile to get going but there really is no short term solution to this problem. Everything from these solutions I just laid out to trying to change our culture itself would take potentially a generation. But none of the bureaucratic solutions have stopped it, just led to a lot of lobbying and political posturing. If we're going to get serious about solving this, the solution won't come from laws alone imo.
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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



guitarslinger44 said:


Ugot2shakesumthin said:


How do YOU explain that we have nearly the same laws as those places, WE have mass killings.


.


Same laws different outcomes.


You tell me.


Clearly we're not the same, and we need better protections.


[Edited 8/3/19 19:27pm]



We dont have thr same laws though. Look it up. You want government to solve a problem that can only be solved by the people.

I said nearly the same.


Your laws better? Lol


Do tell.


And the people are the government.


But you tell me. Tell us how to solve this.



[Edited 8/3/19 19:33pm]



Geofencing.

We have too many guns in circulation and it would be practically impossible to round them all up, so as far as I can see, putting chips in all ammunition sold that renders it useless in certain areas is a good start. It won't eradicate the problem, but it'll create a situation where if someone REALLY wants to shoot up a school or mall or anywhere else outside the geofenced locations where said bullets would work, they'll have a create their own ammo (dangerous, could possibly kill/maim them *small violin plays*), hack the bullets themselves (still difficult depending on how they're made, could also constitute a federal crime), or get bullets created before the date where geofenced bullets were made (takes care of itself over a long enough period of time and could be prohibitively expensive.)

I also think adding this tech to newly made guns would help, along with adding fingerprint sensors in addition to a safety. Make it so that bullets have to be "attached" to a specific gun to work, similar to how Bluetooth works.

Now, of course, this would be attempt to be stymied by the NRA, but it's a solution that puts to rest the "they're takin muh guns" shit and makes them much more complicated to use so that the average lunatic or thug needs to go to greater lengths to be able to do something bad with them.

Granted all this would probably take awhile to get going but there really is no short term solution to this problem. Everything from these solutions I just laid out to trying to change our culture itself would take potentially a generation. But none of the bureaucratic solutions have stopped it, just led to a lot of lobbying and political posturing. If we're going to get serious about solving this, the solution won't come from laws alone imo.


Simply regulated ammo sales. Make it harder for unstable folks to acquire too easily.
Also everything that RodeoSchro said above:
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said:



Geofencing.

We have too many guns in circulation and it would be practically impossible to round them all up, so as far as I can see, putting chips in all ammunition sold that renders it useless in certain areas is a good start. It won't eradicate the problem, but it'll create a situation where if someone REALLY wants to shoot up a school or mall or anywhere else outside the geofenced locations where said bullets would work, they'll have a create their own ammo (dangerous, could possibly kill/maim them *small violin plays*), hack the bullets themselves (still difficult depending on how they're made, could also constitute a federal crime), or get bullets created before the date where geofenced bullets were made (takes care of itself over a long enough period of time and could be prohibitively expensive.)

I also think adding this tech to newly made guns would help, along with adding fingerprint sensors in addition to a safety. Make it so that bullets have to be "attached" to a specific gun to work, similar to how Bluetooth works.

Now, of course, this would be attempt to be stymied by the NRA, but it's a solution that puts to rest the "they're takin muh guns" shit and makes them much more complicated to use so that the average lunatic or thug needs to go to greater lengths to be able to do something bad with them.

Granted all this would probably take awhile to get going but there really is no short term solution to this problem. Everything from these solutions I just laid out to trying to change our culture itself would take potentially a generation. But none of the bureaucratic solutions have stopped it, just led to a lot of lobbying and political posturing. If we're going to get serious about solving this, the solution won't come from laws alone imo.


Simply regulated ammo sales. Make it harder for unstable folks to acquire too easily.
Also everything that RodeoSchro said above:



You want a simple solution to a complex problem and that isn't going to cut it.
[Edited 8/4/19 12:54pm]
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The first thing is that gun regulations have to be even and the same from state to state. It is pointless for New York to have one set of gun rules and Pennsylvania to have another.

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The second is that there has to be societal opportunities that cause people to not feel isolated, alone and bullied. To many times males in society (I notice this happens in nature too) are isolated and not allowed to full be and express themselves wholely. As females can. But this is a bigger discussion, yet one that needs to be had.

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Just a note, Mass Shootings as in the 249 indicated are not all the same, if that was the case we would have 249 threads on Another Mass Shooting.

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Outside of these 'indicated' mass shootings we create threads on, are 'domestic' 'gang related' and a few others. Of course all are bad. But different.

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So a mass shooting is noted as an incident were 4 or more people are shot(not necessarily killed).

So the list indicating 0 for some other nations, most likely are not about what's being defined as mass shooting ie 4+

As you see below in 2018 by Sept 2018 92 people in Britain were murdered. But most of these were not 'mass shootings' because they were 3 or less.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5971706/london-shootings-2018-kinsbury-forest-gate/

VIOLENT CRIME

How many London shootings were there in 2018 and where did they happen? From Kingsbury to Forest Gate

Gun crime soared in the capital last year

How many shootings were there in 2018?

The total tally of murder victims in London had reached 92 by September 2018, with several of them the result of shootings.

These include 17-year-old Rhyhiem Ainsworth Barton, who was gunned down in a drive-by shooting near his home in Kennington, South London, on May 5, 2018.

11 other people in the capital were shot dead last year, a Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed.

Tanesha Melbourne, 17, Amaan Shakoor, 16, Kelvin Odunuyi, 19, Bulent Kabala, 41, Joseph William-Torres, 20 and Russell Jordan-Jones, 23, all died after they suffered gun wounds.

The name of the seventh and eighth victims are not known.

Boys aged 13 and 15 were victims of a shotgun attack in Harrow on May 6, 2018, as a 22-year-old man became the fourth person shot in the capital over the Bank Holiday weekend in New Cross.

In June 2018, a man was airlifted to hospital in Southwark, South London, after witnesses reported he was... a shotgun.

On August 20, 2018, three people were injured in a drive-by shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station, north west London.

A woman, 30, and two men - aged 18 and 24 - were rushed to hospital with gun shot wounds.

One victim was seen lying in a pool of his own blood after being gunned down in the triple shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station.

Timeline of shootings

  • February 12 Taxi driver Bulent Kabala, 41, shot dead on a roundabout in Enfield
  • March 8 Kelvin Odunuyi, 19, shot in Wood Green amid escalating gang warfare
  • March 14 Joseph Williams-Torres, 20, shot dead in a stationary car in Walthamstow
  • March 17 Student Russell Jones shot and stabbed to death near Ponders End station in Enfield.
  • March 25 Abraham Badru, 26, shot in Dalston, East London, without warning
  • April 2 Tanesha Melbourne, 17, gunned down by drug gang in Tottenham
  • April 2 Amaan Shakoor, 16, shot in the face outside Walthamstow Leisure Centre
  • April 9 An armed man was shot dead by police in Ro...with a gun near a petrol station
  • May 1 A 30-year-old man died outside Queensbury T...rth London after being found with serious injuries
  • May 5 Rhyhiem Ainsworth Barton was gunned down in a drive by shooting near his home in Kennington, South London
  • May 6 Man, 22, is shot in New Cross, South East London
  • May 6 Boy, 13, blasted in head with shotgun while walking with his parents in Wealdstone, near Harrow, in North West London, as 15-year-old also injured in the head in the shooting
  • June 1 A 24-year-old man is fighting for his life after being shot with a "machine gun" in Brent, north-west London
  • June 3 Oluwafemi Omosuyi, 22, airlifted to hospital in Southwark, South London, after witnesses reported he was... a shotgun. another man, 25, suffered non-life-threatening injuries
  • June 6 A teenage boy was left fighting for his life after he and two others were shot in Brixton at around 11pm
  • July 9 Gunman shoots three times at woman, but misses
  • July 27 Four men aged between 20 and 22 were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after exchanging gun fire with police in Forest Gate
  • August 20 Armed police swarm a scho...Maida Hill, West London, after "shots fired" as terrified staff cower in classroom cupboard
  • August 20 A woman, 30, and two men - aged 18 and 24 - were rushed to hospital following a drive-by shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station
  • September 20 A 34-year-old woman and a 40-year-old man were left injured, following a shooting on E... Islington
  • September 23 A 19-year-old man died after being gunned down in the street in Walthamstow
  • October 11 Hashim Abdalla Ali, 22, was shot dead while sitting in the passenger seat of a car in Hayes, west London. A 27-year-old man was charged.
  • October 22 Ethan Nedd-Bruce, 18, was shot dead in Greenwich.
  • December 11 Richard Odunze-Dim, 20, was fatally shot in Edmonton, north London. Police are appealing for witnesses.

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Reply #24 posted 08/04/19 1:10pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I said nearly the same.

Your laws better? Lol

Do tell.

And the people are the government.

But you tell me. Tell us how to solve this.

[Edited 8/3/19 19:33pm]

Geofencing. We have too many guns in circulation and it would be practically impossible to round them all up, so as far as I can see, putting chips in all ammunition sold that renders it useless in certain areas is a good start. It won't eradicate the problem, but it'll create a situation where if someone REALLY wants to shoot up a school or mall or anywhere else outside the geofenced locations where said bullets would work, they'll have a create their own ammo (dangerous, could possibly kill/maim them *small violin plays*), hack the bullets themselves (still difficult depending on how they're made, could also constitute a federal crime), or get bullets created before the date where geofenced bullets were made (takes care of itself over a long enough period of time and could be prohibitively expensive.) I also think adding this tech to newly made guns would help, along with adding fingerprint sensors in addition to a safety. Make it so that bullets have to be "attached" to a specific gun to work, similar to how Bluetooth works. Now, of course, this would be attempt to be stymied by the NRA, but it's a solution that puts to rest the "they're takin muh guns" shit and makes them much more complicated to use so that the average lunatic or thug needs to go to greater lengths to be able to do something bad with them. Granted all this would probably take awhile to get going but there really is no short term solution to this problem. Everything from these solutions I just laid out to trying to change our culture itself would take potentially a generation. But none of the bureaucratic solutions have stopped it, just led to a lot of lobbying and political posturing. If we're going to get serious about solving this, the solution won't come from laws alone imo.



I like this idea but I must reiterate:

All the other developed countries in the world do a exponentially better job with gun control than we do, and none of them did it with geofencing.

Do NOW what's been proven to work (see my list above for a start). Institute your idea and let it work over time. But we can't wait a generation for geofencing to fully manifest. We need help right now.

So do the stuff that has worked everywhere else in the world. But first, we have to...

Kill the NRA. Vote out Republicans.

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Reply #25 posted 08/04/19 1:14pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

The first thing is that gun regulations have to be even and the same from state to state. It is pointless for New York to have one set of gun rules and Pennsylvania to have another.

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The second is that there has to be societal opportunities that cause people to not feel isolated, alone and bullied. To many times males in society (I notice this happens in nature too) are isolated and not allowed to full be and express themselves wholely. As females can. But this is a bigger discussion, yet one that needs to be had.

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Just a note, Mass Shootings as in the 249 indicated are not all the same, if that was the case we would have 249 threads on Another Mass Shooting.

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Outside of these 'indicated' mass shootings we create threads on, are 'domestic' 'gang related' and a few others. Of course all are bad. But different.

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So a mass shooting is noted as an incident were 4 or more people are shot(not necessarily killed).

So the list indicating 0 for some other nations, most likely are not about what's being defined as mass shooting ie 4+

As you see below in 2018 by Sept 2018 92 people in Britain were murdered. But most of these were not 'mass shootings' because they were 3 or less.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5971706/london-shootings-2018-kinsbury-forest-gate/

VIOLENT CRIME

How many London shootings were there in 2018 and where did they happen? From Kingsbury to Forest Gate

Gun crime soared in the capital last year

How many shootings were there in 2018?

The total tally of murder victims in London had reached 92 by September 2018, with several of them the result of shootings.

These include 17-year-old Rhyhiem Ainsworth Barton, who was gunned down in a drive-by shooting near his home in Kennington, South London, on May 5, 2018.

11 other people in the capital were shot dead last year, a Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed.

Tanesha Melbourne, 17, Amaan Shakoor, 16, Kelvin Odunuyi, 19, Bulent Kabala, 41, Joseph William-Torres, 20 and Russell Jordan-Jones, 23, all died after they suffered gun wounds.

The name of the seventh and eighth victims are not known.

Boys aged 13 and 15 were victims of a shotgun attack in Harrow on May 6, 2018, as a 22-year-old man became the fourth person shot in the capital over the Bank Holiday weekend in New Cross.

In June 2018, a man was airlifted to hospital in Southwark, South London, after witnesses reported he was... a shotgun.

On August 20, 2018, three people were injured in a drive-by shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station, north west London.

A woman, 30, and two men - aged 18 and 24 - were rushed to hospital with gun shot wounds.

One victim was seen lying in a pool of his own blood after being gunned down in the triple shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station.

Timeline of shootings

  • February 12 Taxi driver Bulent Kabala, 41, shot dead on a roundabout in Enfield
  • March 8 Kelvin Odunuyi, 19, shot in Wood Green amid escalating gang warfare
  • March 14 Joseph Williams-Torres, 20, shot dead in a stationary car in Walthamstow
  • March 17 Student Russell Jones shot and stabbed to death near Ponders End station in Enfield.
  • March 25 Abraham Badru, 26, shot in Dalston, East London, without warning
  • April 2 Tanesha Melbourne, 17, gunned down by drug gang in Tottenham
  • April 2 Amaan Shakoor, 16, shot in the face outside Walthamstow Leisure Centre
  • April 9 An armed man was shot dead by police in Ro...with a gun near a petrol station
  • May 1 A 30-year-old man died outside Queensbury T...rth London after being found with serious injuries
  • May 5 Rhyhiem Ainsworth Barton was gunned down in a drive by shooting near his home in Kennington, South London
  • May 6 Man, 22, is shot in New Cross, South East London
  • May 6 Boy, 13, blasted in head with shotgun while walking with his parents in Wealdstone, near Harrow, in North West London, as 15-year-old also injured in the head in the shooting
  • June 1 A 24-year-old man is fighting for his life after being shot with a "machine gun" in Brent, north-west London
  • June 3 Oluwafemi Omosuyi, 22, airlifted to hospital in Southwark, South London, after witnesses reported he was... a shotgun. another man, 25, suffered non-life-threatening injuries
  • June 6 A teenage boy was left fighting for his life after he and two others were shot in Brixton at around 11pm
  • July 9 Gunman shoots three times at woman, but misses
  • July 27 Four men aged between 20 and 22 were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after exchanging gun fire with police in Forest Gate
  • August 20 Armed police swarm a scho...Maida Hill, West London, after "shots fired" as terrified staff cower in classroom cupboard
  • August 20 A woman, 30, and two men - aged 18 and 24 - were rushed to hospital following a drive-by shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station
  • September 20 A 34-year-old woman and a 40-year-old man were left injured, following a shooting on E... Islington
  • September 23 A 19-year-old man died after being gunned down in the street in Walthamstow
  • October 11 Hashim Abdalla Ali, 22, was shot dead while sitting in the passenger seat of a car in Hayes, west London. A 27-year-old man was charged.
  • October 22 Ethan Nedd-Bruce, 18, was shot dead in Greenwich.
  • December 11 Richard Odunze-Dim, 20, was fatally shot in Edmonton, north London. Police are appealing for witnesses.



There are six fatalities on that list but the preamble says 12 people died of gunshot wounds, so that's the number to use. Some of the others may be fatalities too but aren't described that way.

So to recap, almost twice as many people were killed in one day in the El Paso massacre than have died by gunshot in an entire year in London.

Was that the point of the list?

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Ban magazines, ban military looking rifles, change culture. Quit saying guns eqals liberty. Nationalize both youtube and Twitter, moderate all hate speech.

yeahthat

This is all so heartbreaking, this conversation comes up everytime these mass shootings happen, yet nothing still has not been done to improve anything. sad

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Missmusicluver72 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Ban magazines, ban military looking rifles, change culture. Quit saying guns eqals liberty. Nationalize both youtube and Twitter, moderate all hate speech.

yeahthat

This is all so heartbreaking, this conversation comes up everytime these mass shootings happen, yet nothing still has not been done to improve anything. sad



Save America; Kill the NRA.

Do that, and we can elect politicians that aren't owned by the NRA and who will get things done.

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RodeoSchro said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The first thing is that gun regulations have to be even and the same from state to state. It is pointless for New York to have one set of gun rules and Pennsylvania to have another.

.

The second is that there has to be societal opportunities that cause people to not feel isolated, alone and bullied. To many times males in society (I notice this happens in nature too) are isolated and not allowed to full be and express themselves wholely. As females can. But this is a bigger discussion, yet one that needs to be had.

.

.

.

Just a note, Mass Shootings as in the 249 indicated are not all the same, if that was the case we would have 249 threads on Another Mass Shooting.

.

Outside of these 'indicated' mass shootings we create threads on, are 'domestic' 'gang related' and a few others. Of course all are bad. But different.

.

So a mass shooting is noted as an incident were 4 or more people are shot(not necessarily killed).

So the list indicating 0 for some other nations, most likely are not about what's being defined as mass shooting ie 4+

As you see below in 2018 by Sept 2018 92 people in Britain were murdered. But most of these were not 'mass shootings' because they were 3 or less.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5971706/london-shootings-2018-kinsbury-forest-gate/

VIOLENT CRIME

How many London shootings were there in 2018 and where did they happen? From Kingsbury to Forest Gate

Gun crime soared in the capital last year

How many shootings were there in 2018?

The total tally of murder victims in London had reached 92 by September 2018, with several of them the result of shootings.

These include 17-year-old Rhyhiem Ainsworth Barton, who was gunned down in a drive-by shooting near his home in Kennington, South London, on May 5, 2018.

11 other people in the capital were shot dead last year, a Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed.

Tanesha Melbourne, 17, Amaan Shakoor, 16, Kelvin Odunuyi, 19, Bulent Kabala, 41, Joseph William-Torres, 20 and Russell Jordan-Jones, 23, all died after they suffered gun wounds.

The name of the seventh and eighth victims are not known.

Boys aged 13 and 15 were victims of a shotgun attack in Harrow on May 6, 2018, as a 22-year-old man became the fourth person shot in the capital over the Bank Holiday weekend in New Cross.

In June 2018, a man was airlifted to hospital in Southwark, South London, after witnesses reported he was... a shotgun.

On August 20, 2018, three people were injured in a drive-by shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station, north west London.

A woman, 30, and two men - aged 18 and 24 - were rushed to hospital with gun shot wounds.

One victim was seen lying in a pool of his own blood after being gunned down in the triple shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station.

Timeline of shootings

  • February 12 Taxi driver Bulent Kabala, 41, shot dead on a roundabout in Enfield
  • March 8 Kelvin Odunuyi, 19, shot in Wood Green amid escalating gang warfare
  • March 14 Joseph Williams-Torres, 20, shot dead in a stationary car in Walthamstow
  • March 17 Student Russell Jones shot and stabbed to death near Ponders End station in Enfield.
  • March 25 Abraham Badru, 26, shot in Dalston, East London, without warning
  • April 2 Tanesha Melbourne, 17, gunned down by drug gang in Tottenham
  • April 2 Amaan Shakoor, 16, shot in the face outside Walthamstow Leisure Centre
  • April 9 An armed man was shot dead by police in Ro...with a gun near a petrol station
  • May 1 A 30-year-old man died outside Queensbury T...rth London after being found with serious injuries
  • May 5 Rhyhiem Ainsworth Barton was gunned down in a drive by shooting near his home in Kennington, South London
  • May 6 Man, 22, is shot in New Cross, South East London
  • May 6 Boy, 13, blasted in head with shotgun while walking with his parents in Wealdstone, near Harrow, in North West London, as 15-year-old also injured in the head in the shooting
  • June 1 A 24-year-old man is fighting for his life after being shot with a "machine gun" in Brent, north-west London
  • June 3 Oluwafemi Omosuyi, 22, airlifted to hospital in Southwark, South London, after witnesses reported he was... a shotgun. another man, 25, suffered non-life-threatening injuries
  • June 6 A teenage boy was left fighting for his life after he and two others were shot in Brixton at around 11pm
  • July 9 Gunman shoots three times at woman, but misses
  • July 27 Four men aged between 20 and 22 were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after exchanging gun fire with police in Forest Gate
  • August 20 Armed police swarm a scho...Maida Hill, West London, after "shots fired" as terrified staff cower in classroom cupboard
  • August 20 A woman, 30, and two men - aged 18 and 24 - were rushed to hospital following a drive-by shooting outside Kingsbury Tube station
  • September 20 A 34-year-old woman and a 40-year-old man were left injured, following a shooting on E... Islington
  • September 23 A 19-year-old man died after being gunned down in the street in Walthamstow
  • October 11 Hashim Abdalla Ali, 22, was shot dead while sitting in the passenger seat of a car in Hayes, west London. A 27-year-old man was charged.
  • October 22 Ethan Nedd-Bruce, 18, was shot dead in Greenwich.
  • December 11 Richard Odunze-Dim, 20, was fatally shot in Edmonton, north London. Police are appealing for witnesses.



There are six fatalities on that list but the preamble says 12 people died of gunshot wounds, so that's the number to use. Some of the others may be fatalities too but aren't described that way.

So to recap, almost twice as many people were killed in one day in the El Paso massacre than have died by gunshot in an entire year in London.

Was that the point of the list?

The list just came with the link/discussion. But just a help in understanding how 'mass shooting' is viewed. How many people died isn't the defination. That even though these happened they are not considered under the heading 'mass shooting'

So as in American, the 249 are not really considered mass shootings, but shootings under various definitions.

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January 28, 2019 Houston, Texas 2 4 6 Pecan Park Raid: Four police officers were shot while serving a warrant in southeast Houston. The two homeowners were killed.[245]
January 27, 2019 Birmingham, Alabama 0 5 5 Police responded to a call and discovered five people with gunshot wounds, along with two of the victims sustaining life-threatening injuries.[246]
January 26, 2019 Newark, New Jersey 1 3 4 A gunman opened fire on individuals attending a candlelight vigil, killing one, and wounding three others.[247]
January 26, 2019 Indianapolis, Indiana 0 5 5 A man was asked to leave a bar; shortly after, he came back and shot five people, critically wounding two.[248]
January 26, 2019 Albany, Georgia 0 4 4 Two people were found with bullet wounds in front of a residence, and two more arrived at a hospital with gunshot injuries from the same shooting.[249]
January 26, 2019 Ascension Parish and Livingston Parish, Louisiana 5 0 5 January 2019 Louisiana shootings: A 21-year-old man killed five people, including his parents, in two parishes in Louisiana.[250] The suspect fled to Virginia and was arrested the next day.[251]
January 24, 2019 State College, Pennsylvania 4[n 1] 1 5 A man killed two people and injured one inside a local bar, then drove away and broke into a home and killed the homeowner before killing himself.[252]
January 24, 2019 Rockmart, Georgia 4 1 5 A man killed four individuals and injured another in two separate shootings.[253]
January 23, 2019 Sebring, Florida 5 0 5 2019 Sebring shooting: At least five people were killed in a hostage incident and shooting at a bank. The suspect was taken into custody by police.[254]
January 20, 2019 Miami, Florida 0 4 4 Three adults and a child were wounded in a shooting while attending a block party.[255]
January 19, 2019 Gaffney, South Carolina 1 4 5 One person was killed and four others were wounded in a shooting at a nightclub.[256]
January 19, 2019 Jacksonville, Florida 3[n 1] 2 5 A man killed two people and injured two more before killing himself.[257]
January 19, 2019 Lebanon, Pennsylvania 0 4 4 In an apparent targeted shooting, four individuals were discovered shot in a building.[258]
January 19, 2019 Chicago, Illinois 0 4 4 Early in the morning, three women and a man were involved in a fight and were injured in the ensuing shooting.[259]
January 19, 2019 Houston, Texas 3 2 5 Three people were killed and two more were injured by a homeowner in a possible attempted home invasion.[260]
January 17, 2019 Owensboro, Kentucky 3 1 4 Three people were killed and another person was wounded in a shooting at a home. Two men were arrested in relation to the shooting.[261]
January 16, 2019 Jacksonville, Florida 1 5 6 A man was killed and five other people were injured in a shooting. The Mayor of Jacksonville described the shooting as gang-related, although this characterization has been disputed by the sister of the deceased man.[262]
January 16, 2019 Palmdale, California 3 1 4 Three people were killed and another one was wounded in a shooting.[263]
January 15, 2019 Little Rock, Arkansas 1 4[n 1] 5 An argument over a gun inside a local ice cream shop led to a shooting. One man was killed and four others, including the suspected shooter, were injured.[264]
January 13, 2019 Phoenix, Arizona 1 5[n 1] 6 An argument at a motel escalated into a shooting. One person was killed, and five others were injured.[265]
January 6, 2019 Roswell, New Mexico 0 4 4 A man injured four people in a shooting following an argument at a party. He was arrested the same day.[266]
January 4, 2019 Hurt, Virginia 3[n 1] 2 5 A man killed his wife and son in their home and injured two people who were inside a vehicle before killing himself.[267]
January 4, 2019 Houston, Texas 1[n 1] 3 4 A man injured his brother and two friends before being killed by a police officer.[268]
January 4, 2019 Torrance, California 3 4 7 An argument at the Torrance bowling alley escalated into a fight and three people were killed by gunshots, at least four others were wounded. A suspect who was out of prison on parole has been arrested.[269]
January 3, 2019 Texas City, Texas 3 1 4 Three children under the age of six were found deceased along with a wounded woman in an apparent home invasion.[270]
January 2, 2019 Jonesboro, Arkansas 1 3 4 A 16-year-old boy was killed and three others were wounded during a home invasion.[271]
January 1, 2019 Columbia, South Carolina 0 5 5 Five people were shot and wounded outside of a nightclub around 6am local time.[272]
January 1, 2019 Tallahassee, Florida 0 5 5 Five people were shot and wounded around 3am local time at the University Village Shopping Center

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