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Reply #120 posted 09/25/17 6:26am

rogifan

MMJas said:



rogifan said:


Strawberrylova123 said:
We are talking about because why did she have to bring it up.

I don’t know why she brought it up but the whole post wasn’t about that. Some just want to turn every thread into a drug or women thread. I take the same view as a Funkenberry on this. I’m not a fan of them recording an album of Prince covers. I think it should only be new music and I will wait to hear that before judging it. If they do live shows and throw a couple Prince songs in the set I don’t care. But if it’s just bad Prince karaoke I’ll be the first to call it out. I hated the Bruno Mars tribute at the Grammys because I thought it was bad karaoke. Don’t go there Omarr.


But in all honesty, what do you expect from a guy who makes a living pretending to be Prince? Do you serioulsy believe there will be an ounce of originality in this band? The choice for the lead part was a terrible mistake because it makes it look like a Vegas act.


I’m going to wait to hear it. I’m not going to pre-judge based on this guys past.
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Reply #121 posted 09/25/17 6:44am

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MMJas said:

But in all honesty, what do you expect from a guy who makes a living pretending to be Prince? Do you serioulsy believe there will be an ounce of originality in this band? The choice for the lead part was a terrible mistake because it makes it look like a Vegas act.

I’m going to wait to hear it. I’m not going to pre-judge based on this guys past.

It's a matter of principle and it goes even beyond the the man impersonating him.

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Reply #122 posted 09/25/17 7:48am

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PennyPurple said:

One thing is for sure, Omar should've started with a clean slate. If the majority of us can't stand former bandmates going on tour with his music, why would Omar think that this would be a hit? If he wants to back a group get a group that has nothing to do with Prince. I'm sorry, but this is one of the stupidest things I've seen. And the frickin pictures is freaky...

freaky and scary!!!

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Reply #123 posted 09/25/17 7:50am

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MMJas said:

The thing is, more than being ridiculous, comical, dellusional, exploitative, greedy, sad and overall a terrible idea, this is insulting to Prince's memory and all he stood for, namely originality and truth.

well said...

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Reply #124 posted 09/25/17 7:54am

rogifan

MMJas said:



rogifan said:


MMJas said:



But in all honesty, what do you expect from a guy who makes a living pretending to be Prince? Do you serioulsy believe there will be an ounce of originality in this band? The choice for the lead part was a terrible mistake because it makes it look like a Vegas act.



I’m going to wait to hear it. I’m not going to pre-judge based on this guys past.


It's a matter of principle and it goes even beyond the the man impersonating him.


What principle?
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Reply #125 posted 09/25/17 7:57am

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purplerabbithole said:

I don't even assume she is telling the truth. I am starting to think half of the "objects of his affection" are lying. She didn't whore herself out but she pimped the fvck out of him.

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said: She knew he was married i would never have posted that neutral not classy

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Reply #126 posted 09/25/17 8:30am

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MMJas said:

It's a matter of principle and it goes even beyond the the man impersonating him.

What principle?

- of respecting the legacy

- of being true to oneself

- of understanding all Prince stood for

- of respecting the man and all that he built out of nothing but his pure genius

- of making sure his image as well as his immense body of work is not affected nor tarnished

- of preserving authenticity

- of not selling out

- of not allowing money to speak louder that integrity

shall i go no?

[Edited 9/25/17 8:32am]

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Reply #127 posted 09/25/17 8:54am

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Can someone PLEASE explain to me VERY SLOWLY why a will specifically prohibiting this kind of exploitation of his image, brand and music would not have been a good idea?

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Reply #128 posted 09/25/17 8:58am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Can someone PLEASE explain to me VERY SLOWLY why a will specifically prohibiting this kind of exploitation of his image, brand and music would not have been a good idea?


Once people inherit they can do as they please unless you make stipulation that cannot get the money if they do certain things. I think in Prince's case he would had to have 900 stipulations or none because he did not think his sibs would do this stupid stuff since they have plenty of assests to live off of and none of this should be nessesary. He left a fully functioning recording studio and the best you can do is start a cover band.

What about renting Paisleyy out for events like Prince was doing? Renting the studios. Turning one into a teaching area with people paying a fee to learn.
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Reply #129 posted 09/25/17 9:12am

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rogifan said:

Strawberrylova123 said:


We are talking about because why did she have to bring it up.

I don’t know why she brought it up but the whole post wasn’t about that. Some just want to turn every thread into a drug or women thread.

I take the same view as a Funkenberry on this. I’m not a fan of them recording an album of Prince covers. I think it should only be new music and I will wait to hear that before judging it. If they do live shows and throw a couple Prince songs in the set I don’t care. But if it’s just bad Prince karaoke I’ll be the first to call it out. I hated the Bruno Mars tribute at the Grammys because I thought it was bad karaoke. Don’t go there Omarr.

You seem to have a problem with women or sex because you say the same thing in every thread that's dealing with women, sorry but women were very, very important to prince's legacy. He loved women and emulated their style through fashion and he wrote songs about women.
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Reply #130 posted 09/25/17 9:32am

Bodhitheblackd
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laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Can someone PLEASE explain to me VERY SLOWLY why a will specifically prohibiting this kind of exploitation of his image, brand and music would not have been a good idea?

Once people inherit they can do as they please unless you make stipulation that cannot get the money if they do certain things. I think in Prince's case he would have 900 stipulations or none because he did not think his sibs would do this stupid stuff since they will get plenty of assests to live off of

LR, am I sensing a small crack in your oft-stated thesis that no will would have protected his estate/image from those greedy sibs? You are also contradicting your previous position that he KNEW his sibs would behave badly...now you're saying "he did not think his sibs would do this stupid stuff"...

What's it gonna be? LR.

IMO, he should have sucked it up, banished the paranoia, found the biggest, baddest MF lawyer in the entertainment industry and locked everything down just the way he wanted it to be...if only out of pride and dignity.

Now we're going to be subjected to years of this fuckeree and the man and the music might be lost in the madness (especially as his fams age and die) because Prince couldn't be bothered to make a list of the stipulations that would have protected his legacy and image?

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Reply #131 posted 09/25/17 9:41am

rogifan

Strawberrylova123 said:

rogifan said:


I don’t know why she brought it up but the whole post wasn’t about that. Some just want to turn every thread into a drug or women thread.

I take the same view as a Funkenberry on this. I’m not a fan of them recording an album of Prince covers. I think it should only be new music and I will wait to hear that before judging it. If they do live shows and throw a couple Prince songs in the set I don’t care. But if it’s just bad Prince karaoke I’ll be the first to call it out. I hated the Bruno Mars tribute at the Grammys because I thought it was bad karaoke. Don’t go there Omarr.

You seem to have a problem with women or sex because you say the same thing in every thread that's dealing with women, sorry but women were very, very important to prince's legacy. He loved women and emulated their style through fashion and he wrote songs about women.
[Edited 9/25/17 9:15am]

No, what I have a problem with is a certain someone seeming to turn every thread into a gossip about women or drugs.
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Reply #132 posted 09/25/17 9:43am

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rogifan said:

Strawberrylova123 said:


You seem to have a problem with women or sex because you say the same thing in every thread that's dealing with women, sorry but women were very, very important to prince's legacy. He loved women and emulated their style through fashion and he wrote songs about women.
[Edited 9/25/17 9:15am]

No, what I have a problem with is a certain someone seeming to turn every thread into a gossip about women or drugs.

She didn't mention drug use on her post so yes that's irrelevant but she's the one who mentioned that prince tried to hit that thang so it's relevant to the post. So people have every right to talk about that.
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Reply #133 posted 09/25/17 9:46am

rogifan

MMJas said:



rogifan said:


MMJas said:



It's a matter of principle and it goes even beyond the the man impersonating him.



What principle?


- of respecting the legacy


- of being true to oneself


- of understanding all Prince stood for


- of respecting the man and all that he built out of nothing but his pure genius


- of making sure his image as well as his immense body of work is not affected nor tarnished


- of preserving authenticity


- of not selling out


- of not allowing money to speak louder that integrity


shall i go no?


[Edited 9/25/17 8:32am]


So this is just because of the guy they hired to sing lead? Somehow I have a feeling people would be complaining no matter what. I’ve already said I don’t agree with them doing a record of Prince covers. But they’re supposedly also working on new original music. How exactly is that disrespectful other than you’ve predetermined any original music is going to be a bad imitation of Prince because of who the lead singer is.
[Edited 9/25/17 9:47am]
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Reply #134 posted 09/25/17 9:49am

rogifan

Strawberrylova123 said:

rogifan said:


No, what I have a problem with is a certain someone seeming to turn every thread into a gossip about women or drugs.

She didn't mention drug use on her post so yes that's irrelevant but she's the one who mentioned that prince tried to hit that thang so it's relevant to the post. So people have every right to talk about that.

To the extent she’s being criticized for mentioning it at all (as it has nothing to do with this new group) I agree. But discussion beyond that is OT.
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Reply #135 posted 09/25/17 10:56am

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rogifan said:

No, what I have a problem with is a certain someone seeming to turn every thread into a gossip about women or drugs.

Who is the certain someone?

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Reply #136 posted 09/25/17 10:59am

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rogifan said:

Strawberrylova123 said:
She didn't mention drug use on her post so yes that's irrelevant but she's the one who mentioned that prince tried to hit that thang so it's relevant to the post. So people have every right to talk about that.
To the extent she’s being criticized for mentioning it at all (as it has nothing to do with this new group) I agree. But discussion beyond that is OT.

It has nothing to do with this group, but Marva still mentioned it...........


So if you have a problem with it being discussed, then stop visiting this thread or reach out to Marva.

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Reply #137 posted 09/25/17 11:00am

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rogifan said:

MMJas said:

- of respecting the legacy

- of being true to oneself

- of understanding all Prince stood for

- of respecting the man and all that he built out of nothing but his pure genius

- of making sure his image as well as his immense body of work is not affected nor tarnished

- of preserving authenticity

- of not selling out

- of not allowing money to speak louder that integrity

shall i go no?

[Edited 9/25/17 8:32am]

So this is just because of the guy they hired to sing lead? Somehow I have a feeling people would be complaining no matter what. I’ve already said I don’t agree with them doing a record of Prince covers. But they’re supposedly also working on new original music. How exactly is that disrespectful other than you’ve predetermined any original music is going to be a bad imitation of Prince because of who the lead singer is. [Edited 9/25/17 9:47am]

So you agree that covering Prince songs makes no sense for a new band with a professional impersonator. That's my mais issue with the whole thing. Had they created NPS with new music and an unknown singer or even a known one, that would have been fine. But stay away form Prince's body of work. There was only one, he's now gone and let's just cherish the music he left us, both already released and to be released. No holograms, no shit. It's about the music and the artistry of Prince.

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Reply #138 posted 09/25/17 11:03am

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So this is just because of the guy they hired to sing lead? Somehow I have a feeling people would be complaining no matter what. I’ve already said I don’t agree with them doing a record of Prince covers. But they’re supposedly also working on new original music. How exactly is that disrespectful other than you’ve predetermined any original music is going to be a bad imitation of Prince because of who the lead singer is. [Edited 9/25/17 9:47am]

I've not seen where they are working on new original music, but feel free to share your link where you got this info at.


All they are doing are covers of Prince Songs, that is why we are questioning, why they just don't do their own thing, instead of P's?

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Reply #139 posted 09/25/17 12:15pm

BillieBalloon

MMJas said:



BillieBalloon said:


MMJas said:



Agree. That part was just soooo crass...



Is she saying we should buy this because Prince wanted her in his purple bed? confuse


She's throwing that in for good measure. To me it sounds crass and the whole post is self important, arrogant and preachy.


The thing that upsets me the most is that all these people seem to be "at war" somehow, making up all these different factions:


those who worked with him in the later years and that for the most part are keeping quiet except for this or that person, those who truly want to honour him but whose intentions are getting dilluted in this whole mess, those who worked for him in the early days and feel they are entitled to something, those who are exploting his image, those who want us to know exactly how close they were to Prince in a kind of tug of war game, those who were remotely associated with him and keep reminding everyone about it, those who had no relationship whatsoever but swear they did and those who wish they were him and are now getting their own slice of the purple pie. Which brings me back on topic: this cover band is a disgrace, imo. It remains to be seen what the reaction of the fans will be. The casual fans will probably find this amusing and a good opportunity to keep the legacy alive and have no problem whatsoever with having someone wearing Prince, the costume.


[Edited 9/25/17 2:28am]



Well said on everything.
When the NPG toured they said they werent trying to replace Prince and didn't hire a vegas impersonator to replace him. They were themselves and shared the lead vocals. They understood that the fans do not want a lookalike belting out his songs offering himself up as a budget store Prince.
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Reply #140 posted 09/25/17 12:52pm

BillieBalloon

rogifan said:

Strawberrylova123 said:


She didn't mention drug use on her post so yes that's irrelevant but she's the one who mentioned that prince tried to hit that thang so it's relevant to the post. So people have every right to talk about that.

To the extent she’s being criticized for mentioning it at all (as it has nothing to do with this new group) I agree. But discussion beyond that is OT.



As has been pointed out to you numerous times SHE is the one that put it up for discussion. The rest of her post has also been discussed as has the Vegas guy and the covers. What is it you would like to discuss? Go ahead, nobody is stoping you.

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Reply #141 posted 09/25/17 3:15pm

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as long as he can LEGALLY do this crap ...all we can do is ignore it

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Reply #142 posted 09/25/17 3:29pm

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Laura, cut it out. Is there no in-between with you. Mia might be telling the truth, might be taking his comment a bit out of context, might be exagerrating or might be lying. MIa Farrow also said recently that her 30 year old son with Woody Allen was actually Frank Sinatra's (meaning he would have to have impregnated Mia when he was 72 years old). Nancy Sinatra called her out on her bullshit and she (in a round-about way) took it back.

laurarichardson said:

Belive what you want to believe. Just like when Mia Farrow said that Frank asked her if she wanted to have Woody Allen's legs broken when he ran off with their adopted daugther. I guess she was making that up.

purplerabbithole said:

I just meant he had nothing to do with hiring mobsters to threaten Tommy D in the way the Godfather depicts . When FS was trying to get out of his contract with Tommy, there was a musicians union strike that was putting the screws to people like Tommy and FS hired the lawyer who represented the musicans on strike, he also was willing to pay Tommy $60,000. If Tommy was really feeling threatened by mobsters, would it have gotten to musician strike lawyers and buy-outs by FS. Plus, he worked with Tommy years later. The closest thing to a threat from the mafia was when two of Frank's handlers took it on theirselves (according to them anyhow) to threaten Tommy on the street using two over-sized college students. Tommy, who was a tough bastard, didn't buy that it was a real threat and the guys buckled and eventually asked for autographs. There were some scary phone calls at his house however, but he kept ignoring them.

I forgot the biggest lie....

As for FS getting his role in From Here to Eternity due to mafia threats, that's the biggest bullshit story of his career. No one involved in the situation claimed they were threatened. Mario Puzo basically made it up for the Godfather and even he admitted years later that he had done so but people still believe to this day that Frank got his role that way. The reality is that Frank used Ava's influence on the Columbia studio head, he auditioned and got the role because he was authentically Italian (unlike Eli Wallach who was also up for the role) and because he was willing to be work for scale..(literally, 8000 dollars was all he made for that role.)

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Reply #143 posted 09/25/17 5:14pm

rogifan

BillieBalloon said:

rogifan said:


To the extent she’s being criticized for mentioning it at all (as it has nothing to do with this new group) I agree. But discussion beyond that is OT.



As has been pointed out to you numerous times SHE is the one that put it up for discussion. The rest of her post has also been discussed as has the Vegas guy and the covers. What is it you would like to discuss? Go ahead, nobody is stoping you.

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No some people zoomed in on that one line because anything that has to do with Prince and women is good gossip.
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Reply #144 posted 09/26/17 12:03am

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rogifan said:

BillieBalloon said:




As has been pointed out to you numerous times SHE is the one that put it up for discussion. The rest of her post has also been discussed as has the Vegas guy and the covers. What is it you would like to discuss? Go ahead, nobody is stoping you.

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[Edited 9/25/17 12:53pm]

No some people zoomed in on that one line because anything that has to do with Prince and women is good gossip.



So youve got nothing to çontribute other than complaining and trying to coerce people into talking about what YOU think we should talk about. You do this constantly, always berating people about something. Btw if its me you were talking about earlier i am reporting you for baiting and posting a complete fabrication.

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Reply #145 posted 09/26/17 2:52am

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You are in a state of denial about Frank and the mob. You are in a state of denial
about the mobs involvement with entertainment industry.
The following books have been out for years.
1) Hit Men
2) Stiffed
3) The book about how MCA was founded by the mob.
4) I am reading a book about Mortis Levy.
I read what Mia Farrow said about what Frank said about Woody she did not sutter.
I also rember what one of Frank's kids said about welcoming Mia's son in to the family. Look at that boys eyes he is not Woody's son.

purplerabbithole said:

Laura, cut it out. Is there no in-between with you. Mia might be telling the truth, might be taking his comment a bit out of context, might be exagerrating or might be lying. MIa Farrow also said recently that her 30 year old son with Woody Allen was actually Frank Sinatra's (meaning he would have to have impregnated Mia when he was 72 years old). Nancy Sinatra called her out on her bullshit and she (in a round-about way) took it back.





laurarichardson said:


Belive what you want to believe. Just like when Mia Farrow said that Frank asked her if she wanted to have Woody Allen's legs broken when he ran off with their adopted daugther. I guess she was making that up.



purplerabbithole said:


I just meant he had nothing to do with hiring mobsters to threaten Tommy D in the way the Godfather depicts . When FS was trying to get out of his contract with Tommy, there was a musicians union strike that was putting the screws to people like Tommy and FS hired the lawyer who represented the musicans on strike, he also was willing to pay Tommy $60,000. If Tommy was really feeling threatened by mobsters, would it have gotten to musician strike lawyers and buy-outs by FS. Plus, he worked with Tommy years later. The closest thing to a threat from the mafia was when two of Frank's handlers took it on theirselves (according to them anyhow) to threaten Tommy on the street using two over-sized college students. Tommy, who was a tough bastard, didn't buy that it was a real threat and the guys buckled and eventually asked for autographs. There were some scary phone calls at his house however, but he kept ignoring them.



I forgot the biggest lie....


As for FS getting his role in From Here to Eternity due to mafia threats, that's the biggest bullshit story of his career. No one involved in the situation claimed they were threatened. Mario Puzo basically made it up for the Godfather and even he admitted years later that he had done so but people still believe to this day that Frank got his role that way. The reality is that Frank used Ava's influence on the Columbia studio head, he auditioned and got the role because he was authentically Italian (unlike Eli Wallach who was also up for the role) and because he was willing to be work for scale..(literally, 8000 dollars was all he made for that role.)









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Reply #146 posted 09/26/17 5:40am

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I am not in denial about shit (especially where Hollywood and the mafia are concerned. But I see humans as having nuances and complexities and that the reality of most situations is in the grey areas. I do believe the mob helped JFK get elected but I am not sure they assasinated him, etc. Cynicism and buying into every conspiratorial story is the not the same thing as critical thinking, healthy skepticism or seeing the light.
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purplerabbithole said:

I am not in denial about shit (especially where Hollywood and the mafia are concerned. But I see humans as having nuances and complexities and that the reality of most situations is in the grey areas. I do believe the mob helped JFK get elected but I am not sure they assasinated him, etc. Cynicism and buying into every conspiratorial story is the not the same thing as critical thinking, healthy skepticism or seeing the light. [Edited 9/26/17 5:49am]

Frank Sinatra said out of his own mouth the mobsters were his friends. They got him jobs when his carreer was not going well. The mob owned nightclubs, record lables, publishing companies, booking agencies, and the distribution system in the music industry.

There was a time in the music industry that you had to associate with the mob. It does not mean Frank was a member but I believe he was an associate and I am sure he had a Godfather.

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Reply #148 posted 09/26/17 7:56am

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laurarichardson said:



purplerabbithole said:


I am not in denial about shit (especially where Hollywood and the mafia are concerned. But I see humans as having nuances and complexities and that the reality of most situations is in the grey areas. I do believe the mob helped JFK get elected but I am not sure they assasinated him, etc. Cynicism and buying into every conspiratorial story is the not the same thing as critical thinking, healthy skepticism or seeing the light. [Edited 9/26/17 5:49am]

Frank Sinatra said out of his own mouth the mobsters were his friends. They got him jobs when his carreer was not going well. The mob owned nightclubs, record lables, publishing companies, booking agencies, and the distribution system in the music industry.



There was a time in the music industry that you had to associate with the mob. It does not mean Frank was a member but I believe he was an associate and I am sure he had a Godfather.



I know FS was cozy with the mob . Hell, the mob had an interest in his cal-Neva lodge. I have read a lot about this man (minus that horrible Kitty Kelly book in which she had no inside sources and did not differentiate between a good source and the rumor mill), That being said, there are OTT rumors that imply a power over the mob he simply did not have. Also, FS admitted being actually afraid of these dudes ocassionally and he even admitted to a writer that he ocassionally went along with his mob image because he knew that to protest it would not help. He said if you got the name, you might as well play the game. Sinatra released about 5000 songs and appeared in 60 films as well as live work, business endeavors, his children and his romantic endeavors. He, like Prince, simply did not have the time to be guilty of every action attributed to him. The mob having interests in the night club scene and the entertainment industry was about making money. His comeback would not have been just the result of the mob favoritism--a has-been (even if he is Italian) is not good for profits.
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Reply #149 posted 09/26/17 8:00am

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laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not in denial about shit (especially where Hollywood and the mafia are concerned. But I see humans as having nuances and complexities and that the reality of most situations is in the grey areas. I do believe the mob helped JFK get elected but I am not sure they assasinated him, etc. Cynicism and buying into every conspiratorial story is the not the same thing as critical thinking, healthy skepticism or seeing the light. [Edited 9/26/17 5:49am]

Frank Sinatra said out of his own mouth the mobsters were his friends. They got him jobs when his carreer was not going well. The mob owned nightclubs, record lables, publishing companies, booking agencies, and the distribution system in the music industry.

There was a time in the music industry that you had to associate with the mob. It does not mean Frank was a member but I believe he was an associate and I am sure he had a Godfather.

I know this is off topic on the NPS thread but in the Godfather the singer Johnny Fontane was based upon Frank.

The similarities were so close that when someone introduced the author Mario Puzo to Sinatra, he started shouting at Puzo, called him a pimp, and told Puzo if he hadnt been so much older he would beat the crap out of him.

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