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Reply #30 posted 10/11/17 11:32am

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Was Mark on this site in disguise at some point...LOL?? I seem to remember older threads prior to P's death in which some dude kept coming on her stating that the original demo for Kiss was some kind of rip-off of standard blues songs. Country and western, blues, 1930's music (even though P didn't know music that wasn't the stuff he grew up on apparently.) Good grief.

laurarichardson said:

Constructed means created. The orginal song which Mike Dean played is the original song that Mark is calling C&W Where is he hearing that I do not know. Prince gave him the song with the melody already in place.

I have heard the Mazarratti version which is awful and you have David Z saying it just was not working out at all. Prince came in and changed the arrangement and did the singing which to me makes the song.

Prince covering "Come Together " is just him covering a song in concert it has nothing to do with creating anything and he would never get credit for rearranging it.

The melody in that demo is Prince singing the original song. that is Prince singing the original song. Go back to 18.58 Mark is explaining how the song was on a cassette tape and how he did not like Prince' vocals or the fact that it sounded C&W but then he turns around and states that Prince ripped it off from some all blues song (WTH)! If he thinks it is ripped off from some other song how would have got credit for anything?

Anyway that demo has the same melody to my ears. Thus what did Mark create.

purplerabbithole said:

I never disputed you on do Me Baby and I do believe that he has a shoddy history at times but that doesn't mean this issue can't be discussed with a bit more maturity. What does constructed even mean? So if Prince does an interpretation of Come Together by the Beatles like he did ten years ago on stage (when it was re-arranged as a country swing type song) and records its, it is now a Prince song? The melody to Kiss is in that demo. Its the same except a little slower (same notes) . Mark deserves some credit. I am not sure its writing credit that we are talking about though.

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Reply #31 posted 10/11/17 11:34am

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I could believe that was him and if he knows what song it was ripped off from how was he going to get credit for it?

purplerabbithole said:

Was Mark on this site in disguise at some point...LOL?? I seem to remember older threads prior to P's death in which some dude kept coming on her stating that the original demo for Kiss was some kind of rip-off of standard blues songs. Country and western, blues, 1930's music (even though P didn't know music that wasn't the stuff he grew up on apparently.) Good grief.

laurarichardson said:

Constructed means created. The orginal song which Mike Dean played is the original song that Mark is calling C&W Where is he hearing that I do not know. Prince gave him the song with the melody already in place.

I have heard the Mazarratti version which is awful and you have David Z saying it just was not working out at all. Prince came in and changed the arrangement and did the singing which to me makes the song.

Prince covering "Come Together " is just him covering a song in concert it has nothing to do with creating anything and he would never get credit for rearranging it.

The melody in that demo is Prince singing the original song. that is Prince singing the original song. Go back to 18.58 Mark is explaining how the song was on a cassette tape and how he did not like Prince' vocals or the fact that it sounded C&W but then he turns around and states that Prince ripped it off from some all blues song (WTH)! If he thinks it is ripped off from some other song how would have got credit for anything?

Anyway that demo has the same melody to my ears. Thus what did Mark create.

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Reply #32 posted 10/11/17 12:02pm

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Maybe it was Questluv

he knows of some of that stuff

like Private Joy and Who Loves You(Frankie Valli)

purplerabbithole said:

Was Mark on this site in disguise at some point...LOL?? I seem to remember older threads prior to P's death in which some dude kept coming on her stating that the original demo for Kiss was some kind of rip-off of standard blues songs. Country and western, blues, 1930's music (even though P didn't know music that wasn't the stuff he grew up on apparently.) Good grief.

laurarichardson said:

Constructed means created. The orginal song which Mike Dean played is the original song that Mark is calling C&W Where is he hearing that I do not know. Prince gave him the song with the melody already in place.

I have heard the Mazarratti version which is awful and you have David Z saying it just was not working out at all. Prince came in and changed the arrangement and did the singing which to me makes the song.

Prince covering "Come Together " is just him covering a song in concert it has nothing to do with creating anything and he would never get credit for rearranging it.

The melody in that demo is Prince singing the original song. that is Prince singing the original song. Go back to 18.58 Mark is explaining how the song was on a cassette tape and how he did not like Prince' vocals or the fact that it sounded C&W but then he turns around and states that Prince ripped it off from some all blues song (WTH)! If he thinks it is ripped off from some other song how would have got credit for anything?

Anyway that demo has the same melody to my ears. Thus what did Mark create.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #33 posted 10/11/17 12:06pm

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Is questlove even a fan of p anymore. Now people are saying p ripped off a Frankie Valli song? My head is going to explode. Is any of pronce&s naterial original or his own?
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Reply #34 posted 10/11/17 12:30pm

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purplerabbithole said:

Is questlove even a fan of p anymore. Now people are saying p ripped off a Frankie Valli song? My head is going to explode. Is any of pronce&s naterial original or his own?

Yeah he is still hardcore.
This isn't new information.
Did you listen? Listen to Frankie Valli and then Private Joy

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #35 posted 10/11/17 1:09pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



purplerabbithole said:


Is questlove even a fan of p anymore. Now people are saying p ripped off a Frankie Valli song? My head is going to explode. Is any of pronce&s naterial original or his own?


Yeah he is still hardcore.
This isn't new information.
Did you listen? Listen to Frankie Valli and then Private Joy



Listened to who loves you. I actually recognize the song after I got to the chorus. The melody is different than private joy. There are similarities in riffs and accompaniment. No copyright infringement here . Obviously inspired by song.
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Reply #36 posted 10/11/17 2:16pm

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purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said:



purplerabbithole said:


Is questlove even a fan of p anymore. Now people are saying p ripped off a Frankie Valli song? My head is going to explode. Is any of pronce&s naterial original or his own?


Yeah he is still hardcore.
This isn't new information.
Did you listen? Listen to Frankie Valli and then Private Joy



Listened to who loves you. I actually recognize the song after I got to the chorus. The melody is different than private joy. There are similarities in riffs and accompaniment. No copyright infringement here . Obviously inspired by song.

Some people do not realize you can use up to a certain portion of music without it being copyright infringement. What would make anyone think Prince would not know how to do it or stop him from finding a musicologist to check it out for him? 🙄 Also I still want to know what is this old blues song and why did not Mark not realize and still does not that he would have not got any money out of it if this copying took place.
[Edited 10/11/17 14:17pm]
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Reply #37 posted 10/11/17 4:58pm

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laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:
Listened to who loves you. I actually recognize the song after I got to the chorus. The melody is different than private joy. There are similarities in riffs and accompaniment. No copyright infringement here . Obviously inspired by song.
Some people do not realize you can use up to a certain portion of music without it being copyright infringement. What would make anyone think Prince would not know how to do it or stop him from finding a musicologist to check it out for him? 🙄 Also I still want to know what is this old blues song and why did not Mark not realize and still does not that he would have not got any money out of it if this copying took place. [Edited 10/11/17 14:17pm]


Laura, can you question him directly on FB? If you can and decide to do it, would you let us know? I want to watch this unfold.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #38 posted 10/11/17 5:01pm

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Mumio said:



laurarichardson said:


purplerabbithole said:
Listened to who loves you. I actually recognize the song after I got to the chorus. The melody is different than private joy. There are similarities in riffs and accompaniment. No copyright infringement here . Obviously inspired by song.

Some people do not realize you can use up to a certain portion of music without it being copyright infringement. What would make anyone think Prince would not know how to do it or stop him from finding a musicologist to check it out for him? 🙄 Also I still want to know what is this old blues song and why did not Mark not realize and still does not that he would have not got any money out of it if this copying took place. [Edited 10/11/17 14:17pm]


Laura, can you question him directly on FB? If you can and decide to do it, would you let us know? I want to watch this unfold.


--You know I will ask him tommorrow.
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Reply #39 posted 10/11/17 7:37pm

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laurarichardson said:

80tomato said:

I don't know much about who gets credit for what in song writing, but it sounds like Prince wrote most of the song and Mark helped with the arrangement ...but if P said he would put Marks name on that song ,then he should have

David Z said that song started with Prince and ended with Prince. I have heard the original song by Mazariti and it is awful. Anyway we know why Prince was where he was and the reason why Mark is were he is today.

Simpley about a person with vision and person who is a half a step behind.

At the end of the day Prince was the boss and it was Prince’s band which he still cannot seem to get this through his skull. He was an employee and obviously he was not unhappy with his musicianship if he wanted him to stay in the band but Mark cannot let it go and it is laughable to say he does not dwell in the negative. What is he doing in this interview?

OH and I like the demo version of the song just fine.

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http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/09/tuesday-is-prince-day-pt-3-how-kiss.html

This is from David Z.

[Edited 10/11/17 7:35am]

I LOVE Mazarati, but Prince was RIGHT taking "Kiss" back & He was RIGHT 4 giving "Jerk Out" to The Time!!!

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Reply #40 posted 10/12/17 5:10am

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woogiebear said:

laurarichardson said:

David Z said that song started with Prince and ended with Prince. I have heard the original song by Mazariti and it is awful. Anyway we know why Prince was where he was and the reason why Mark is were he is today.

Simpley about a person with vision and person who is a half a step behind.

At the end of the day Prince was the boss and it was Prince’s band which he still cannot seem to get this through his skull. He was an employee and obviously he was not unhappy with his musicianship if he wanted him to stay in the band but Mark cannot let it go and it is laughable to say he does not dwell in the negative. What is he doing in this interview?

OH and I like the demo version of the song just fine.

--

http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/09/tuesday-is-prince-day-pt-3-how-kiss.html

This is from David Z.

[Edited 10/11/17 7:35am]

I LOVE Mazarati, but Prince was RIGHT taking "Kiss" back & He was RIGHT 4 giving "Jerk Out" to The Time!!!

cool

Jerk Out was a What Time Is It? 1982 outtake. The Time didn't use it for some reason

Jerk Out then became a Mazarati outtake. Mazarati didn't want to use it for some lyrical content

Prince or Jimmy & Terry/Morris etc reintroduced Jerk Out but reworded the lyrics and used it.

I wish it would have been connected to the What Time Is It? album

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #41 posted 10/13/17 11:56am

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Brownmark.

From that old Pop Life book:
"Prince is a boy who quite likes to be one of the girls; he was even nice to the ones who worked for him. ‘There was more of an intimate thing with them,’ says Mark Brown, who says he found being Prince’s bass player such a torrid experience he used to call his mother from the road, asking to come back home. ‘He knew them better than he knew us [the men]. He would open up to the women. They would hang out with him, go shopping with him, and he’d spend his money on ‘em. But with us, it was never like that.’"

Who knew he wanted Prince to take him shopping lol

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Reply #42 posted 10/13/17 12:33pm

purplefam99

has Brownmark ever been in a relationship or linked to anyone? curious.

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Reply #43 posted 10/13/17 1:08pm

80tomato

He became a grampa earlier this year biggrin

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Reply #44 posted 10/13/17 1:15pm

purplefam99

80tomato said:

He became a grampa earlier this year biggrin

oh awesome thx!!! 80tomato!! he seems very quiet.

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Reply #45 posted 10/14/17 7:04am

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laurarichardson said:

Brownmark.

From that old Pop Life book:
"Prince is a boy who quite likes to be one of the girls; he was even nice to the ones who worked for him. ‘There was more of an intimate thing with them,’ says Mark Brown, who says he found being Prince’s bass player such a torrid experience he used to call his mother from the road, asking to come back home. ‘He knew them better than he knew us [the men]. He would open up to the women. They would hang out with him, go shopping with him, and he’d spend his money on ‘em. But with us, it was never like that.’"



Who knew he wanted Prince to take him shopping lol



Hahahahahaha! Not me! lol

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Reply #46 posted 10/14/17 7:22am

purplefam99

he probably wanted to bond with P. some people may contend that the guys are more silent about

their feelings and emotions and ramblings about P. but here is case where a male is speaking

and sharing. I bet he kept most of his P Keepsakes. wink

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Reply #47 posted 10/14/17 8:43am

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laurarichardson said:


Brownmark.

From that old Pop Life book:
"Prince is a boy who quite likes to be one of the girls; he was even nice to the ones who worked for him. ‘There was more of an intimate thing with them,’ says Mark Brown, who says he found being Prince’s bass player such a torrid experience he used to call his mother from the road, asking to come back home. ‘He knew them better than he knew us [the men]. He would open up to the women. They would hang out with him, go shopping with him, and he’d spend his money on ‘em. But with us, it was never like that.’"




Who knew he wanted Prince to take him shopping lol


Not surprising..prince didn't really like men..period! Alan leeds said this he mentioned that he didn't like men hugging him, Jerome said the that prince didn't liked to be hugged in that recent interview. This former paisley park employee said he was more rude towards men and didn't like to be around them, he got better in the later years
[Edited 10/14/17 8:44am]
[Edited 10/14/17 9:00am]
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Reply #48 posted 10/14/17 8:50am

purplefam99

Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

Brownmark.

From that old Pop Life book:
"Prince is a boy who quite likes to be one of the girls; he was even nice to the ones who worked for him. ‘There was more of an intimate thing with them,’ says Mark Brown, who says he found being Prince’s bass player such a torrid experience he used to call his mother from the road, asking to come back home. ‘He knew them better than he knew us [the men]. He would open up to the women. They would hang out with him, go shopping with him, and he’d spend his money on ‘em. But with us, it was never like that.’"

Who knew he wanted Prince to take him shopping lol

Not surprising..prince didn't really like men..period! Alan leeds said this he mentioned that he didn't like men hugging him, Jerome said the that prince didn't liked to be hugged in that recent interview. This former paisley park employee said he was more rude towards men and didn't like to be around them, he got better in the latter years [Edited 10/14/17 8:44am]

Interesting i wonder what he didn't like men??

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Reply #49 posted 10/14/17 9:02am

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purplefam99 said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


laurarichardson said:


Brownmark.

From that old Pop Life book:
"Prince is a boy who quite likes to be one of the girls; he was even nice to the ones who worked for him. ‘There was more of an intimate thing with them,’ says Mark Brown, who says he found being Prince’s bass player such a torrid experience he used to call his mother from the road, asking to come back home. ‘He knew them better than he knew us [the men]. He would open up to the women. They would hang out with him, go shopping with him, and he’d spend his money on ‘em. But with us, it was never like that.’"




Who knew he wanted Prince to take him shopping lol



Not surprising..prince didn't really like men..period! Alan leeds said this he mentioned that he didn't like men hugging him, Jerome said the that prince didn't liked to be hugged in that recent interview. This former paisley park employee said he was more rude towards men and didn't like to be around them, he got better in the latter years [Edited 10/14/17 8:44am]

Interesting i wonder what he didn't like men??


Some people prefer to work with men or women, i knew this one woman who didn't like to work with other women.
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Reply #50 posted 10/14/17 9:23am

purplefam99

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplefam99 said:

Interesting i wonder what he didn't like men??

Some people prefer to work with men or women, i knew this one woman who didn't like to work with other women.

oh yes i have heard people say that. it is usually personality types that i go by.

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Reply #51 posted 10/14/17 9:39am

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purplefam99 said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


purplefam99 said:


Interesting i wonder what he didn't like men??



Some people prefer to work with men or women, i knew this one woman who didn't like to work with other women.

oh yes i have heard people say that. it is usually personality types that i go by.


Same for me
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Reply #52 posted 10/14/17 9:43am

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He did seem to lighten up around men as he got older. He seemed to get along mostly fine with people like Van Jones, Larry Graham, MOrris Hays, Tavis Smiley later in life. I can't help but think that he was on edge with men when he was younger because of his size and the competitive nature of the Minneapolis music scene. It also might be that Mark couldn't read P's nature as well as say people like Morris Day or Andre Cymone (who all had off and on again friendships with P) . Maybe young Mark Brown seemed like a Eve Harrington type to Prince. Just guessing obviously. But he seemed more comfortable around bodyguards and Wally, Greg and Jerome [back in the day] than other male musicians.

purplefam99 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplefam99 said: Some people prefer to work with men or women, i knew this one woman who didn't like to work with other women.

oh yes i have heard people say that. it is usually personality types that i go by.

[Edited 10/14/17 10:01am]

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Reply #53 posted 10/14/17 10:07am

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purplerabbithole said:

He did seem to lighten up around men as he got older. He seemed to get along mostly fine with people like Van Jones, Larry Graham, MOrris Hays, Tavis Smiley later in life. I can't help but think that he was on edge with men when he was younger because of his size and the competitive nature of the Minneapolis music scene. It also might be that Mark couldn't read P's nature as well as say people like Morris Day or Andre Cymone (who all had off and on again friendships with P) . Maybe young Mark Brown seemed like a Eve Harrington type to Prince. Just guessing obviously. But he seemed more comfortable around bodyguards and Wally, Greg and Jerome [back in the day] than other male musicians.





purplefam99 said:




Strawberrylova123 said:


purplefam99 said: Some people prefer to work with men or women, i knew this one woman who didn't like to work with other women.

oh yes i have heard people say that. it is usually personality types that i go by.




[Edited 10/14/17 10:01am]


Yes, also prince, morris day, jerome, andre and TC ellis are like brother's because they all knew each other since they were little boys.
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Reply #54 posted 10/14/17 10:09am

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Absolutely.

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said:

He did seem to lighten up around men as he got older. He seemed to get along mostly fine with people like Van Jones, Larry Graham, MOrris Hays, Tavis Smiley later in life. I can't help but think that he was on edge with men when he was younger because of his size and the competitive nature of the Minneapolis music scene. It also might be that Mark couldn't read P's nature as well as say people like Morris Day or Andre Cymone (who all had off and on again friendships with P) . Maybe young Mark Brown seemed like a Eve Harrington type to Prince. Just guessing obviously. But he seemed more comfortable around bodyguards and Wally, Greg and Jerome [back in the day] than other male musicians.

[Edited 10/14/17 10:01am]

Yes, also prince, morris day, jerome, andre and TC ellis are like brother's because they all knew each other since they were little boys.

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Reply #55 posted 10/14/17 7:16pm

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Strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said:

He did seem to lighten up around men as he got older. He seemed to get along mostly fine with people like Van Jones, Larry Graham, MOrris Hays, Tavis Smiley later in life. I can't help but think that he was on edge with men when he was younger because of his size and the competitive nature of the Minneapolis music scene. It also might be that Mark couldn't read P's nature as well as say people like Morris Day or Andre Cymone (who all had off and on again friendships with P) . Maybe young Mark Brown seemed like a Eve Harrington type to Prince. Just guessing obviously. But he seemed more comfortable around bodyguards and Wally, Greg and Jerome [back in the day] than other male musicians.





purplefam99 said:




Strawberrylova123 said:


purplefam99 said: Some people prefer to work with men or women, i knew this one woman who didn't like to work with other women.

oh yes i have heard people say that. it is usually personality types that i go by.




[Edited 10/14/17 10:01am]


Yes, also prince, morris day, jerome, andre and TC ellis are like brother's because they all knew each other since they were little boys.

—I bet they were not crying about Prince not taking them shopping🙄.
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Reply #56 posted 10/14/17 8:09pm

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laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:
Yes, also prince, morris day, jerome, andre and TC ellis are like brother's because they all knew each other since they were little boys.


I bet they were not crying about Prince not taking them shopping🙄.


eek falloff spit lol

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Reply #57 posted 10/15/17 7:05am

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purplefam99 said:

he probably wanted to bond with P. some people may contend that the guys are more silent about

their feelings and emotions and ramblings about P. but here is case where a male is speaking

and sharing. I bet he kept most of his P Keepsakes. wink

yep he has some lace drawers Prince gave him still

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #58 posted 10/15/17 7:15am

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BrownMark has always seemed to have a little brother/big brother relationship with Prince.
I remember watching an interview with the Revotion and how he choked up and broke down talking about Prince.

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Guys go shopping together all the time. So I don't understand the slight toward Brownmark on that.

Even Dez talked about talking to Prince during the PR era and said hey let's go to the mall(ie shopping) and Prince was like "I can't do that stuff anymore"

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If you think about shopping from the terms of two musicians, think about places like 'Sound Source' or many other stores that sell instruments and all the technology surrounding them amps and sound peddles. Not to mention record stores.

.

So again, I don't understand the humorous undertones of 'go shopping' with Prince and Brownmark.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #59 posted 10/15/17 2:03pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

woogiebear said:

I LOVE Mazarati, but Prince was RIGHT taking "Kiss" back & He was RIGHT 4 giving "Jerk Out" to The Time!!!

cool

Jerk Out was a What Time Is It? 1982 outtake. The Time didn't use it for some reason

Jerk Out then became a Mazarati outtake. Mazarati didn't want to use it for some lyrical content

Prince or Jimmy & Terry/Morris etc reintroduced Jerk Out but reworded the lyrics and used it.

I wish it would have been connected to the What Time Is It? album

ME TOO!!!!

cool

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