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Reply #60 posted 02/10/18 1:30pm

cloveringold85

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TheEquilizer said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said: Comerica, Troy and the fam approved it. Just a bad move and I hope they learned from it.

In the words of Flava Flav, Don't Believe The Hype! The fam wasn't aware of anything other than the licensing of the song for use during the halftime performance, not how it was to be used, just that JT would be performing it. LR, you shouldn't confirm as fact what you really don't know.

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Someone is lying -- that we know, for sure.

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Reply #61 posted 02/10/18 3:50pm

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Update: Sheila comments on the supposed Hologram:

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http://www.tmz.com/2018/0...-hologram/

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Reply #62 posted 02/10/18 4:36pm

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TheEquilizer said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said: Comerica, Troy and the fam approved it. Just a bad move and I hope they learned from it.

In the words of Flava Flav, Don't Believe The Hype! The fam wasn't aware of anything other than the licensing of the song for use during the halftime performance, not how it was to be used, just that JT would be performing it. LR, you shouldn't confirm as fact what you really don't know.

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lol lol Well well. lol And pray tell, we should believe what you say because....why????

Unless you are gonna put your full creds out there, I am not so sure that you're one to confirm anything either. Or is that really you Lawnie? lol lol

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Reply #63 posted 02/10/18 5:26pm

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Wow people are still going on about this? What are you going to do come April with the tribute at Target Center which will feature a band (I’m assuming NPG) playing along to video of Prince?

Also I thought for something to be a hologram it had to be 3D? confused
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Reply #64 posted 02/10/18 5:27pm

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cloveringold85 said:



TonyVanDam said:




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I just want to know where was the RESPECT when Prince was ALIVE! People dissed him left and right ... and now they want to do TRIBUTES???? Where was the LOVE when he could hear and see it??? NO WHERE to be found ... and now that he's dead people want to atone themselves for the crappy way they treated him ... he can't hear or see the tributes ... did anyone tell him THANK YOU when he was alive ... NOPE! But but he would be "fine" ... No wonder he didn't like posthumous tributes because he knew they were FAKE




Exactly. And also, how come Prince and Justin never got together to make peace face to face?



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Because Prince never cared for JT. There was only one PRINCE, and neither JT or anyone else will ever be able to walk in his shoes.




How do we know this? Seems like projection from fans that don’t like JT.
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Reply #65 posted 02/10/18 9:10pm

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I strongly agree with only THAT^ statement. Donny does not speak for all Prince fans. But you do not speak for all Prince fans neither.



That's the difference. I never said I did.


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Reply #66 posted 02/10/18 9:13pm

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cloveringold85 said:

TonyVanDam said:


I strongly agree with only THAT^ statement. Donny does not speak for all Prince fans. But you do not speak for all Prince fans neither. And besides, you totally missed what Donny was hinting at.

Tyka Nelson sold out [yes I said it!!!] by giving whoever put Justin Timberlake up to this Prince-hologram idea her blessing. Donny is absolutely right for point out that Prince was against the idea of using holograms to "bring back the dead" and Prince would have NEVER approved of the Prince-hologram, regardless if it was religious/spiritual OR professional reasons.


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Tony, that is very true! Prince would not be pleased with any of this. He specifically said he did not want his image in a hologram and someone singing a duet with him when he is gone. They are not honoring his wishes, at all. JT said his tribute to Prince was the "Ultimate".....yes, it was the ultimate slap in the face to the legend, PRINCE!!

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JT even said that MJ was his favorite all-time performer, so now it's Prince? He's so full of it. JT sold his soul to the devil for fame and fortune. He did everything that Prince would NEVER do!!

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Shame on them!! mad


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Reply #67 posted 02/11/18 9:54am

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for some reason i dont belive tyka knew prince no more than we the fans did she always saying what prince would of liked when its interviews and stuff were prince didnt bite his tongue on what he didnt like. just like the way they handled tidal music prince pulled his music off of every streaming site and only allowed jay z to carry his stuff and look at what they doing now all about the coins

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Reply #68 posted 02/11/18 10:17am

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cloveringold85 said:



TheEquilizer said:




laurarichardson said:


rogifan said: Comerica, Troy and the fam approved it. Just a bad move and I hope they learned from it.

In the words of Flava Flav, Don't Believe The Hype! The fam wasn't aware of anything other than the licensing of the song for use during the halftime performance, not how it was to be used, just that JT would be performing it. LR, you shouldn't confirm as fact what you really don't know.


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Someone is lying -- that we know, for sure.



This whole thing with JT from him being chosen to perform at the SuperBowl to the listening party to the lackluster halftime performance was riddled with inconsistent info. on who made decisions. It is foul.
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Reply #69 posted 02/11/18 11:54am

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cloveringold85 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince's former assistant Ruth Arzate posted on Twitter that Prince didn't have beef with Justin and that she felt that it was okay for Justin to have his party at PP but that Prince would more than likely not approve of a hologram and Justin doing a duet with it.In a recent podcast Dr.Funkenberry talked a bit about the Golden Globes and the party that Prince had afterwards.From what Dr.F said,Ruth was pretty upset with Justin for mocking Prince's height and confronted him at the door as Justin was getting ready to enter the party.He said that she asked him if he liked coming to Prince's parties and that Justin told her that he did and that his were the best.Ruth told Justin that if he did anything like that again that she would make sure his ex girlfriend Cameron Diaz would be at every party,to which Justin became apologetic,asking her not to do that and then he said she let him go into the party.It sounds like Prince wasn't angry enough to ban Justin from his parties but Ruth wanted to mess with him a bit.It probably at least made him think about what he did and hopefully he apologized privately.

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How dare JT have his listening party at PP. He was not a friend of Prince. I don't know about any of y'all, but I don't invite people whom I deem of poor character, to come into MY house!! No way, Jose!!

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True.Justin and Prince did not seem to be friends.He was at a lot of Prince's parties in Beverly Hills and he jammed with the band at one or two.I don't recall if Justin went to more parties after the GGs.Ruth just said that they didn't have a problem with each other.

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Reply #70 posted 02/11/18 1:30pm

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rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Because Prince never cared for JT. There was only one PRINCE, and neither JT or anyone else will ever be able to walk in his shoes.

How do we know this? Seems like projection from fans that don’t like JT.

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Prince was very specific and said he didn't want anyone doing a Hologram of him after he passed. He didn't want anyone signing a duet with his vocal track. Doing anything otherwise, just shows the lack of respect for his wishes. How hard is that to comprehend? confused

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I'm starting to wonder where the real Prince fans are around this place. rolleyes

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Reply #71 posted 02/11/18 1:33pm

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cbarnes3121 said:

for some reason i dont belive tyka knew prince no more than we the fans did she always saying what prince would of liked when its interviews and stuff were prince didnt bite his tongue on what he didnt like. just like the way they handled tidal music prince pulled his music off of every streaming site and only allowed jay z to carry his stuff and look at what they doing now all about the coins

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yeahthat

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Reply #72 posted 02/11/18 1:35pm

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Vashtix said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Someone is lying -- that we know, for sure.

This whole thing with JT from him being chosen to perform at the SuperBowl to the listening party to the lackluster halftime performance was riddled with inconsistent info. on who made decisions. It is foul.

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Sure is!! nod

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A lot of people are hinting that a hologram was in fact planned -- something that Prince was strongly against.

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Originally featuring a Prince hologram “artfully dodging men in black” with “funky dance moves“, while “spitting insightful lyrics about the New World Order and the reality of the world we live in,” the hologram performance was “vetoed by producers and Super Bowl organizers” on the morning of the game.

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At the very end, an agent shot the hologram in the back and Prince suddenly disappeared, before Justin launched into Mirrors. The meaning wasn’t as obvious as that, if you didn’t know what to look for. But it made some people very nervous.”

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According to members of Justin Timberlake’s choreography, the late cancelation of the Prince hologram left Timberlake with a half-baked halftime show that was “more like a run of the mill concert than a spectacular Super Bowl show.

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http://yournewswire.com/j...ti-prince/

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Reply #73 posted 02/11/18 6:57pm

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rolleyes

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Reply #74 posted 02/12/18 5:27am

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cloveringold85 said:

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Vashtix said:

cloveringold85 said: This whole thing with JT from him being chosen to perform at the SuperBowl to the listening party to the lackluster halftime performance was riddled with inconsistent info. on who made decisions. It is foul.

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Sure is!! nod

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A lot of people are hinting that a hologram was in fact planned -- something that Prince was strongly against.

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Originally featuring a Prince hologram “artfully dodging men in black” with “funky dance moves“, while “spitting insightful lyrics about the New World Order and the reality of the world we live in,” the hologram performance was “vetoed by producers and Super Bowl organizers” on the morning of the game.

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At the very end, an agent shot the hologram in the back and Prince suddenly disappeared, before Justin launched into Mirrors. The meaning wasn’t as obvious as that, if you didn’t know what to look for. But it made some people very nervous.”

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According to members of Justin Timberlake’s choreography, the late cancelation of the Prince hologram left Timberlake with a half-baked halftime show that was “more like a run of the mill concert than a spectacular Super Bowl show.

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http://yournewswire.com/j...ti-prince/

There is an interview on TMZ with Sheila were she is hinting that the hologram was a corporate idea that Justine had no decision. If Pepsi paid for everything this would make sense.

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Reply #75 posted 02/12/18 1:56pm

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Well we have to then apply this to ALL of the tributes folks not just the ones we dont like or we dont like the person doing it. Morris Day had Prince on a screen many shows and with vocals, Shelia did it, NPG did it, also Morgan James who does a kick ass cover of "Call My Name" which Prince told her he loved and gave blessings too, when I saw her this year and this was done in the spirit of a tribute PRINCE appeared on a screen behind her, not singing just a still image. SO I get it, but if its not cool for JT to do it with a vocal behind him then its not cool for Morris and SHelia to do, PRINCE did not say "Its demonic if so and so does it but not if this person does it" he said it as a full blanket statement.


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Reply #76 posted 02/12/18 1:58pm

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I just want to know where was the RESPECT when Prince was ALIVE! People dissed him left and right ... and now they want to do TRIBUTES???? Where was the LOVE when he could hear and see it??? NO WHERE to be found ... and now that he's dead people want to atone themselves for the crappy way they treated him ... he can't hear or see the tributes ... did anyone tell him THANK YOU when he was alive ... NOPE! But but he would be "fine" ... No wonder he didn't like posthumous tributes because he knew they were FAKE

Thank U for this. Said this recently when i saw JLO do her thing, and I was like "Wait when did these peeps dig Prince so much??"


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Reply #77 posted 02/12/18 2:07pm

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Sure is!! nod

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A lot of people are hinting that a hologram was in fact planned -- something that Prince was strongly against.

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Originally featuring a Prince hologram “artfully dodging men in black” with “funky dance moves“, while “spitting insightful lyrics about the New World Order and the reality of the world we live in,” the hologram performance was “vetoed by producers and Super Bowl organizers” on the morning of the game.

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At the very end, an agent shot the hologram in the back and Prince suddenly disappeared, before Justin launched into Mirrors. The meaning wasn’t as obvious as that, if you didn’t know what to look for. But it made some people very nervous.”

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According to members of Justin Timberlake’s choreography, the late cancelation of the Prince hologram left Timberlake with a half-baked halftime show that was “more like a run of the mill concert than a spectacular Super Bowl show.

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http://yournewswire.com/j...ti-prince/

There is an interview on TMZ with Sheila were she is hinting that the hologram was a corporate idea that Justine had no decision. If Pepsi paid for everything this would make sense.

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Yes, I posted it in reply # 61 above.

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Reply #78 posted 02/12/18 2:13pm

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lastdecember said:

Well we have to then apply this to ALL of the tributes folks not just the ones we dont like or we dont like the person doing it. Morris Day had Prince on a screen many shows and with vocals, Shelia did it, NPG did it, also Morgan James who does a kick ass cover of "Call My Name" which Prince told her he loved and gave blessings too, when I saw her this year and this was done in the spirit of a tribute PRINCE appeared on a screen behind her, not singing just a still image. SO I get it, but if its not cool for JT to do it with a vocal behind him then its not cool for Morris and SHelia to do, PRINCE did not say "Its demonic if so and so does it but not if this person does it" he said it as a full blanket statement.

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I understand your point, however, I don't see Sheila's and Morris' tributes to Prince anything close to what JT did.

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Reply #79 posted 02/13/18 5:16am

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cloveringold85 said:



rogifan said:


cloveringold85 said:


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Because Prince never cared for JT. There was only one PRINCE, and neither JT or anyone else will ever be able to walk in his shoes.





How do we know this? Seems like projection from fans that don’t like JT.

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Prince was very specific and said he didn't want anyone doing a Hologram of him after he passed. He didn't want anyone signing a duet with his vocal track. Doing anything otherwise, just shows the lack of respect for his wishes. How hard is that to comprehend? confused


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I'm starting to wonder where the real Prince fans are around this place. rolleyes





Isn’t a hologram 3D? Also the tribute concert at Target Center on April 21 will feature video footage of Prince with a backing band. Surely the Estate signed off on that.
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Reply #80 posted 02/13/18 5:16am

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rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:



rogifan said:


cloveringold85 said:


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Because Prince never cared for JT. There was only one PRINCE, and neither JT or anyone else will ever be able to walk in his shoes.





How do we know this? Seems like projection from fans that don’t like JT.

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Prince was very specific and said he didn't want anyone doing a Hologram of him after he passed. He didn't want anyone signing a duet with his vocal track. Doing anything otherwise, just shows the lack of respect for his wishes. How hard is that to comprehend? confused


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I'm starting to wonder where the real Prince fans are around this place. rolleyes





Isn’t a hologram 3D? Also the tribute concert at Target Center on April 21 will feature video footage of Prince with a live backing band. Surely the Estate signed off on that.
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Reply #81 posted 02/14/18 1:27pm

BEAUGARDE

Obviously Tyka is not a Prince fan & she's wants to play nice, kudos 2 her but I'm not with that ship, F Timberlake & Timbaland. They believe in ripping off ppls sound & they turn around & shit on them. Tyka betta get a back bone becuz the Purple Army ain't having it!!!!!

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Reply #82 posted 02/14/18 1:42pm

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rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince was very specific and said he didn't want anyone doing a Hologram of him after he passed. He didn't want anyone signing a duet with his vocal track. Doing anything otherwise, just shows the lack of respect for his wishes. How hard is that to comprehend? confused

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I'm starting to wonder where the real Prince fans are around this place. rolleyes

Isn’t a hologram 3D? Also the tribute concert at Target Center on April 21 will feature video footage of Prince with a backing band. Surely the Estate signed off on that.

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Yes, it's 3D. I don't have an issue with an artist having Prince's image project on-screen, but not in the way that JT did it. He was singing along with Prince; which Prince did not want (duets). He said if he was meant to jam with Duke Ellington; he would have lived in the same time period, and I agree with him, 100%. It was cheesy and something that Prince would never do. It was basically like Karaoke.......imo.

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Reply #83 posted 02/14/18 1:45pm

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BEAUGARDE said:

Obviously Tyka is not a Prince fan & she's wants to play nice, kudos 2 her but I'm not with that ship, F Timberlake & Timbaland. They believe in ripping off ppls sound & they turn around & shit on them. Tyka betta get a back bone becuz the Purple Army ain't having it!!!!!

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lol

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Oh, but we are wrong for respecting Prince's wishes. Aint' that a bitch? lol

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So, now we live in an age where respecting someone's legacy/wishes is wrong and so uncool?

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WTF? eek

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Reply #84 posted 02/14/18 3:37pm

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cloveringold85 said:



BEAUGARDE said:


Obviously Tyka is not a Prince fan & she's wants to play nice, kudos 2 her but I'm not with that ship, F Timberlake & Timbaland. They believe in ripping off ppls sound & they turn around & shit on them. Tyka betta get a back bone becuz the Purple Army ain't having it!!!!!



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Oh, but we are wrong for respecting Prince's wishes. Aint' that a bitch? lol


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So, now we live in an age where respecting someone's legacy/wishes is wrong and so uncool?


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WTF? eek




Let's say, for arguments sake, that it was Prince's dying wish that his vault of unreleased recordings was to be locked up and never heard by anyone. But, going against his final wish, his family decided to release all that music on an iTunes-type online store and also some select projects like Black is the New Black on CD and vinyl. Would you, as a Prince fan, abide by his final wish and not purchase or listen to these recordings or would you willingly go against what he wanted and seek out every available piece of music you could? Because I know what I'd do...
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Reply #85 posted 02/14/18 3:50pm

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EmmaMcG said:

cloveringold85 said:

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lol

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Oh, but we are wrong for respecting Prince's wishes. Aint' that a bitch? lol

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So, now we live in an age where respecting someone's legacy/wishes is wrong and so uncool?

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WTF? eek

Let's say, for arguments sake, that it was Prince's dying wish that his vault of unreleased recordings was to be locked up and never heard by anyone. But, going against his final wish, his family decided to release all that music on an iTunes-type online store and also some select projects like Black is the New Black on CD and vinyl. Would you, as a Prince fan, abide by his final wish and not purchase or listen to these recordings or would you willingly go against what he wanted and seek out every available piece of music you could? Because I know what I'd do...

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I get where you are going with this, but it's not the same thing. Prince would never keep his music from his fans -- I don't see him ever wanting to do that.

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Reply #86 posted 02/14/18 3:51pm

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Does not compute.....does not compute......LOL lol

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Reply #87 posted 02/14/18 3:53pm

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Prince's former assistant Ruth Arzate posted on Twitter that Prince didn't have beef with Justin and that she felt that it was okay for Justin to have his party at PP but that Prince would more than likely not approve of a hologram and Justin doing a duet with it.In a recent podcast Dr.Funkenberry talked a bit about the Golden Globes and the party that Prince had afterwards.From what Dr.F said,Ruth was pretty upset with Justin for mocking Prince's height and confronted him at the door as Justin was getting ready to enter the party.He said that she asked him if he liked coming to Prince's parties and that Justin told her that he did and that his were the best.Ruth told Justin that if he did anything like that again that she would make sure his ex girlfriend Cameron Diaz would be at every party,to which Justin became apologetic,asking her not to do that and then he said she let him go into the party.It sounds like Prince wasn't angry enough to ban Justin from his parties but Ruth wanted to mess with him a bit.It probably at least made him think about what he did and hopefully he apologized privately.



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Reply #88 posted 02/14/18 4:11pm

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XxAxX said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince's former assistant Ruth Arzate posted on Twitter that Prince didn't have beef with Justin and that she felt that it was okay for Justin to have his party at PP but that Prince would more than likely not approve of a hologram and Justin doing a duet with it.In a recent podcast Dr.Funkenberry talked a bit about the Golden Globes and the party that Prince had afterwards.From what Dr.F said,Ruth was pretty upset with Justin for mocking Prince's height and confronted him at the door as Justin was getting ready to enter the party.He said that she asked him if he liked coming to Prince's parties and that Justin told her that he did and that his were the best.Ruth told Justin that if he did anything like that again that she would make sure his ex girlfriend Cameron Diaz would be at every party,to which Justin became apologetic,asking her not to do that and then he said she let him go into the party.It sounds like Prince wasn't angry enough to ban Justin from his parties but Ruth wanted to mess with him a bit.It probably at least made him think about what he did and hopefully he apologized privately.



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That was funny! One for the books for sure!! lol

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Reply #89 posted 02/14/18 4:37pm

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cloveringold85 said:



EmmaMcG said:


cloveringold85 said:


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lol


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Oh, but we are wrong for respecting Prince's wishes. Aint' that a bitch? lol


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So, now we live in an age where respecting someone's legacy/wishes is wrong and so uncool?


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WTF? eek




Let's say, for arguments sake, that it was Prince's dying wish that his vault of unreleased recordings was to be locked up and never heard by anyone. But, going against his final wish, his family decided to release all that music on an iTunes-type online store and also some select projects like Black is the New Black on CD and vinyl. Would you, as a Prince fan, abide by his final wish and not purchase or listen to these recordings or would you willingly go against what he wanted and seek out every available piece of music you could? Because I know what I'd do...

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I get where you are going with this, but it's not the same thing. Prince would never keep his music from his fans -- I don't see him ever wanting to do that.




I don't mean to try catch you out or anything like that. I'm genuinely asking how you would handle a situation like that. Obviously you're free to choose to do whatever you want but if this hypothetical scenario was real, then I would have no qualms whatsoever about going against his final wishes. I'm a Prince fan purely because I love the music he made. His personal wishes and whims are completely secondary to me. Now, that's not to say that I'd go out of my way to go against them but if they got in the way of me listening to his music, then I'd tend to ignore them. That's why I can understand where JT, and anyone else for that matter, doing Prince tributes that may go against what Prince himself would have wanted. He's a Prince fan so he has every right to sing Prince songs.

However, if I was to approach the situation differently, and think "how would I feel if part of the reason for me being a Prince fan is because I liked Prince, the person, in equal measure to Prince, the musician", then I can understand why you feel as strong as you do regarding the whole Justin Timberlake situation. Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't believe that you're "wrong" for taking umbrage to the tribute. But, you also have to understand that not every Prince fan cared that much about his personal wants or wishes. Some Prince fans just love the music he made and that's as far as it goes. It doesn't make them any less of a fan, they just approach fandom differently.
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