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Reply #210 posted 03/11/18 1:18pm

206Michelle

1996_07-1.jpg

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Since Prince's passing SO MANY new, unseen photos!!!! Post them here!!!

(p. 68, reply #2037 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=68)

*

[Edited 3/11/18 13:18pm]

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Reply #211 posted 03/11/18 1:28pm

206Michelle

I think that is their dog Hena.

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(p. 69, reply #2056 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=69)

EDITED: Link to the Photobucket source expired. I found the same photo on Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com...968634422/

[Edited 3/12/18 17:25pm]

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Reply #212 posted 03/11/18 1:34pm

206Michelle

This is from the Love 2 the 9s video.

P

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Reply #213 posted 03/11/18 1:35pm

206Michelle

Love 2 the 9s video

P

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(p. 71, reply #2104 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=71)

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Reply #214 posted 03/11/18 1:36pm

206Michelle

Love 2 the 9s video

P

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(p. 71, reply #2105 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=71)

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Reply #215 posted 03/11/18 1:37pm

206Michelle

Love 2 the 9s video

P

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(p. 71, reply #2105 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=71)

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Reply #216 posted 03/11/18 1:38pm

206Michelle

Love 2 the 9s video

P

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(p. 71, reply #2106 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=71)

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Reply #217 posted 03/11/18 1:39pm

206Michelle

Love 2 the 9s video

P

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(p. 71, reply #2106 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=71)

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Reply #218 posted 03/11/18 1:50pm

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yeah,he seemed rather quiet and reserved during the whole interview to me.Maybe he wasn't feeling well but he didn't seem to be in a very good mood.The segment with the audience Q&A was better and he was smiling and laughing but the interview with Arsenio was kind of awkward.His demeanor did change when Arsenio mentioned his son but I did feel that Prince seemed sincere when he congratulated him.

I agree that the Prince's congratulation was definitely sincere.

.

In my opinion, Prince was communicating two things with "Congratulations": (1) a sincere congratulations and (2) setting a boundary for conversation. First, Prince was sincere and intentional about saying the congratulations because he doesn't say "Congratulations" immediately, he waits a few seconds before giving it. However, and secondly, it appears to me that Prince says "Congratulations" in a terse and emotionally flat manner in order to set a conversational boundary with Arsenio, something to the effect of, "Arsenio, it's cool that you have a son, but we need to move on to another topic because you know that my only son died, so it's a painful topic for me.

.

Furthermore, I believe that this 2014 interview with Arsenio is significant in that it is the only interview in the last 5 years of P's life that I recall watching during which the topic of conversation appears to trigger Prince's memory of his son. Prince's reaction to Arsenio mentioning his own son, in 2014, made it clear to me that Prince continued to be affected by the loss of his son 17+ years after his son's death in 1996. (Prince continuing to be affected by the loss of his son is also consistent with the experiences of other parents who have lost their children.)

.

To tie this situation from the Arsenio Hall interview back to the theme of this thread, Prince's reaction after Arsenio mentions his own son appears to be consistent with what Mayte says in her book about the effect of Amiir's death on prince. To paraphrase what Mayte writes at the end of chapter nine of The Most Beautiful, she wrote that she cannot describe what the experience of losing their son was like for prince. However, what she observed is that, like a skydiver who unexpectedly crashes to the earth, prince was never the same after the death of their son.


Good points.I agree.

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Reply #219 posted 03/11/18 1:59pm

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

I think that is their dog Hena.

MP

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(p. 69, reply #2056 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=69)

Love that one! Kim Berry has it posted on her IG page.

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Reply #220 posted 03/11/18 2:10pm

206Michelle

P

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(p. 74, reply #2197 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=74)

*Photo is not visible on the original thread, so: http://photobucket.com/ga...Zw==/?ref=

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Reply #221 posted 03/11/18 2:11pm

206Michelle

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

I agree that the Prince's congratulation was definitely sincere.

.

In my opinion, Prince was communicating two things with "Congratulations": (1) a sincere congratulations and (2) setting a boundary for conversation. First, Prince was sincere and intentional about saying the congratulations because he doesn't say "Congratulations" immediately, he waits a few seconds before giving it. However, and secondly, it appears to me that Prince says "Congratulations" in a terse and emotionally flat manner in order to set a conversational boundary with Arsenio, something to the effect of, "Arsenio, it's cool that you have a son, but we need to move on to another topic because you know that my only son died, so it's a painful topic for me.

.

Furthermore, I believe that this 2014 interview with Arsenio is significant in that it is the only interview in the last 5 years of P's life that I recall watching during which the topic of conversation appears to trigger Prince's memory of his son. Prince's reaction to Arsenio mentioning his own son, in 2014, made it clear to me that Prince continued to be affected by the loss of his son 17+ years after his son's death in 1996. (Prince continuing to be affected by the loss of his son is also consistent with the experiences of other parents who have lost their children.)

.

To tie this situation from the Arsenio Hall interview back to the theme of this thread, Prince's reaction after Arsenio mentions his own son appears to be consistent with what Mayte says in her book about the effect of Amiir's death on prince. To paraphrase what Mayte writes at the end of chapter nine of The Most Beautiful, she wrote that she cannot describe what the experience of losing their son was like for prince. However, what she observed is that, like a skydiver who unexpectedly crashes to the earth, prince was never the same after the death of their son.


Good points.I agree.

Thank you, pinkcashmere23. I'm glad my points make sense to others!

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Reply #222 posted 03/11/18 2:27pm

206Michelle

PM

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p. 76, reply #2274 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=76)

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Reply #223 posted 03/11/18 2:31pm

206Michelle

PM

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p. 76, reply #2274 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=76)

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Reply #224 posted 03/11/18 2:32pm

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Good points.I agree.

Thank you, pinkcashmere23. I'm glad my points make sense to others!

You're welcome! It made perfect sense.I'll have to go back and watch the interview again.

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Reply #225 posted 03/11/18 2:32pm

206Michelle

PM

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p. 76, reply #2274 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=76)

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Reply #226 posted 03/11/18 5:14pm

Rainbow1

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Good points.I agree.

Thank you, pinkcashmere23. I'm glad my points make sense to others!

Its great you were able to tie this together and yes I totally agree with you.

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Reply #227 posted 03/11/18 6:48pm

magdalena32

206Michelle said:



magdalena32 said:


Prince & Mayte #love4oneanothercharity


PRINCE & MAYTE LOVE 4 ONE ANOTHER CHARITY EVENT @ PAISLEY PARK (1996)



This is such a sweet snippet of them! Does anyone know when in 1996 this event took place?



December, I believe. Not sure of the exact date. It’s a 2min news clip having to do with their charity (love4oneanother). He played a free show for some inner city kids. They also gave out coats.
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Reply #228 posted 03/11/18 8:47pm

purplefam99

206Michelle said:



Rainbow1 said:




Lovejunky said:



I see the TRUTH in that....




I see that to be the truth. From my own personal experience--not all love is the same..even though you can see magic with Prince with other people, but with Matye I feel he was really open and included her in pretty much everything he did including adding "M" into his symbol and she was included in so many musical moments in his life. She was the mother of his son etc. I believe that if they had let their ego's go, they would have found their way back to each other. I don't see Matye ever moving on from him. Its sad. She truly loved him with faults and all. I believe Prince knew this..or at least realised it after his second marriage that Matye was compliant and she truly didn't want anything from him but his love. She was pushed out because I feel that Prince found it really painful to be around her because of losing their children. It was too painful for him. But I believe that all though he moved on with people etc...there was a part of him that was Matye's. There was a moment on Arisno Hall Show where Arsino mentions that he is a changed man because he has a son now. In the moment you can see Prince looked so uncomfortable and Arsino realised that Prince was uncomfortable but Prince being gracious said congradulations...etc. I felt for him there because you can sense that he too had a son, but he passed away many years ago and he too was probably a changed man but in a very different way.



I just watched the 2014 interview Prince did with Arsenio again so that I could see the moment of which you speak, where Prince reacts to Arsenio mentioning having a son. I have watched this interview before and didn't really pay attention to P's reaction when Arsenio mentions having a son. (Who knows if I was even watching closely when I previously watched this interview; sometimes I just listen to interviews on video in the background. Sometimes, it can be hard to watch videos of Prince talking because he's gone now.)


.


Anyway, it's easy to overlook P's reaction because it is subtle, but after watching specifically for his reaction, it is definitely there. (Arsenio mentions having a son at 9:00 in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/w...hHwTLZpE). Prince had just gotten up out of his seat and walked in a humorous way, like "I'm about to leave if you keep talking about this after-hours party from years ago". Then, Arsenio mentions having a son, and I see Prince has a change in demeanor. (I always fear that I'm reading too much into a person's emotions when I'm looking for them like I was when watching for this moment in the video.) Prince waits a few seconds, then says "Congratulations," but he says it in a very flat, brief, and polite manner; there's no emotion to the "Congratulations" at all. Also, Prince doesn't ask for any additional information about Arsenio's son (e.g., what his name is, how old he is). Now of course, he's the one being interviewed (the interviewee), but I would expect the interviewee to show more emotion or ask for a little bit of information about the interviewer's child, like "Congratulations! How old is he? What's his name?" Arsenio's show was on late-night television, so the interviews are more of a conversation, if you will, than on a show like 60 Minutes.


.


Prince wipes his nose at 9:05. He also wiped his nose again at 9:39. I went back and looked to see if he touched his face like that before the moment Arsenio mentions his own son. He did not wipe his nose at all prior to Arsenio mentioning his own son, only after Arsenio mentions having a son. I also notice at 9:42-43, Prince bites his lip, which is the first time I saw that occur in the interview. Then, look at the way he reacts at 9:44 when Arsenio says "good times"; he nods quickly in an almost "let's keep it moving" kind of way. Then, at 9:54, Prince very briefly exhibits a really sad look on his face as the camera pans across the set and Arsenio is saying that they're going to take a commercial break.


.


Overall, Prince plays off his emotions well. The reaction to Arsenio talking about his own son was subtle, and for a casual viewer, it is easy to miss the change in Prince's demeanor. I don't want to sound like I'm seeing things in that situation that weren't there, but it was clear to me from the way that Prince reacted to Arsenio mentioning his son, that the loss of his son still affected him in 2014, all those years later.


[Edited 3/10/18 21:34pm]

[Edited 3/11/18 10:21am]



I have seen this interview and will view it again after I type this
To review the moments you mention. But I wanted to say I always felt that moment
Was insensitive of Arsenio as the interviewer to express his joy that way when
The person your interviewing has had that kind of loss. It was an awful look for Arsenio to put a guest in that position. There was no need for Arsenio to “brag”
About his current life in that particular regard. I felt bad for Prince.
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Reply #229 posted 03/11/18 9:05pm

purplefam99

206Michelle said:



pinkcashmere23 said:




206Michelle said:



I agree that the Prince's congratulation was definitely sincere.


.


In my opinion, Prince was communicating two things with "Congratulations": (1) a sincere congratulations and (2) setting a boundary for conversation. First, Prince was sincere and intentional about saying the congratulations because he doesn't say "Congratulations" immediately, he waits a few seconds before giving it. However, and secondly, it appears to me that Prince says "Congratulations" in a terse and emotionally flat manner in order to set a conversational boundary with Arsenio, something to the effect of, "Arsenio, it's cool that you have a son, but we need to move on to another topic because you know that my only son died, so it's a painful topic for me.


.


Furthermore, I believe that this 2014 interview with Arsenio is significant in that it is the only interview in the last 5 years of P's life that I recall watching during which the topic of conversation appears to trigger Prince's memory of his son. Prince's reaction to Arsenio mentioning his own son, in 2014, made it clear to me that Prince continued to be affected by the loss of his son 17+ years after his son's death in 1996. (Prince continuing to be affected by the loss of his son is also consistent with the experiences of other parents who have lost their children.)


.


To tie this situation from the Arsenio Hall interview back to the theme of this thread, Prince's reaction after Arsenio mentions his own son appears to be consistent with what Mayte says in her book about the effect of Amiir's death on prince. To paraphrase what Mayte writes at the end of chapter nine of The Most Beautiful, she wrote that she cannot describe what the experience of losing their son was like for prince. However, what she observed is that, like a skydiver who unexpectedly crashes to the earth, prince was never the same after the death of their son.





Good points.I agree.



Thank you, pinkcashmere23. I'm glad my points make sense to others!





You made perfect sense.
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Reply #230 posted 03/12/18 2:08am

Rainbow1

purplefam99 said:

206Michelle said:

I just watched the 2014 interview Prince did with Arsenio again so that I could see the moment of which you speak, where Prince reacts to Arsenio mentioning having a son. I have watched this interview before and didn't really pay attention to P's reaction when Arsenio mentions having a son. (Who knows if I was even watching closely when I previously watched this interview; sometimes I just listen to interviews on video in the background. Sometimes, it can be hard to watch videos of Prince talking because he's gone now.)

.

Anyway, it's easy to overlook P's reaction because it is subtle, but after watching specifically for his reaction, it is definitely there. (Arsenio mentions having a son at 9:00 in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/w...hHwTLZpE). Prince had just gotten up out of his seat and walked in a humorous way, like "I'm about to leave if you keep talking about this after-hours party from years ago". Then, Arsenio mentions having a son, and I see Prince has a change in demeanor. (I always fear that I'm reading too much into a person's emotions when I'm looking for them like I was when watching for this moment in the video.) Prince waits a few seconds, then says "Congratulations," but he says it in a very flat, brief, and polite manner; there's no emotion to the "Congratulations" at all. Also, Prince doesn't ask for any additional information about Arsenio's son (e.g., what his name is, how old he is). Now of course, he's the one being interviewed (the interviewee), but I would expect the interviewee to show more emotion or ask for a little bit of information about the interviewer's child, like "Congratulations! How old is he? What's his name?" Arsenio's show was on late-night television, so the interviews are more of a conversation, if you will, than on a show like 60 Minutes.

.

Prince wipes his nose at 9:05. He also wiped his nose again at 9:39. I went back and looked to see if he touched his face like that before the moment Arsenio mentions his own son. He did not wipe his nose at all prior to Arsenio mentioning his own son, only after Arsenio mentions having a son. I also notice at 9:42-43, Prince bites his lip, which is the first time I saw that occur in the interview. Then, look at the way he reacts at 9:44 when Arsenio says "good times"; he nods quickly in an almost "let's keep it moving" kind of way. Then, at 9:54, Prince very briefly exhibits a really sad look on his face as the camera pans across the set and Arsenio is saying that they're going to take a commercial break.

.

Overall, Prince plays off his emotions well. The reaction to Arsenio talking about his own son was subtle, and for a casual viewer, it is easy to miss the change in Prince's demeanor. I don't want to sound like I'm seeing things in that situation that weren't there, but it was clear to me from the way that Prince reacted to Arsenio mentioning his son, that the loss of his son still affected him in 2014, all those years later.

[Edited 3/10/18 21:34pm]

[Edited 3/11/18 10:21am]

I have seen this interview and will view it again after I type this To review the moments you mention. But I wanted to say I always felt that moment Was insensitive of Arsenio as the interviewer to express his joy that way when The person your interviewing has had that kind of loss. It was an awful look for Arsenio to put a guest in that position. There was no need for Arsenio to “brag” About his current life in that particular regard. I felt bad for Prince.

Yes I felt the same way that's why it never left me. I wondered why did Arsenio do this and it was sooo insenstive. I felt so bad for Prince. Arsenio was suppose to be a friend and it was a cluncky interview and Prince knew it .that's probably why Prince was more relaxed while sitting in the audience instead of being interviewed by Arsenio. At the end of Prince's performance..I love the way he leaves that stage..and the look in Arsenio's face was priceless.

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Reply #231 posted 03/12/18 2:20am

Rainbow1

magdalena32 said:

206Michelle said:

This is such a sweet snippet of them! Does anyone know when in 1996 this event took place?

December, I believe. Not sure of the exact date. It’s a 2min news clip having to do with their charity (love4oneanother). He played a free show for some inner city kids. They also gave out coats.

I am happy to see this clip because it really show's them together in a non orchestrated moment and they both were involved with their charity love4onanother. This def leaves no doubt that all though years may have passed and people do change...those moments will forever stay the same. I like to believe that he loved Matye even with everything right to the end and beyond..yes he loved many women and perhaps they too have place in his mind and heart but she was special in many different ways and going to back to OP's appreciation of Matye--I like to believe that he always loved her even with all the stuff inbetween. Matye clearly loved him and still loves him. I hope she can find some peace.

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Reply #232 posted 03/12/18 4:49am

206Michelle

purplefam99 said:

206Michelle said:



Rainbow1 said:




Lovejunky said:



I see the TRUTH in that....




I see that to be the truth. From my own personal experience--not all love is the same..even though you can see magic with Prince with other people, but with Matye I feel he was really open and included her in pretty much everything he did including adding "M" into his symbol and she was included in so many musical moments in his life. She was the mother of his son etc. I believe that if they had let their ego's go, they would have found their way back to each other. I don't see Matye ever moving on from him. Its sad. She truly loved him with faults and all. I believe Prince knew this..or at least realised it after his second marriage that Matye was compliant and she truly didn't want anything from him but his love. She was pushed out because I feel that Prince found it really painful to be around her because of losing their children. It was too painful for him. But I believe that all though he moved on with people etc...there was a part of him that was Matye's. There was a moment on Arisno Hall Show where Arsino mentions that he is a changed man because he has a son now. In the moment you can see Prince looked so uncomfortable and Arsino realised that Prince was uncomfortable but Prince being gracious said congradulations...etc. I felt for him there because you can sense that he too had a son, but he passed away many years ago and he too was probably a changed man but in a very different way.



I just watched the 2014 interview Prince did with Arsenio again so that I could see the moment of which you speak, where Prince reacts to Arsenio mentioning having a son. I have watched this interview before and didn't really pay attention to P's reaction when Arsenio mentions having a son. (Who knows if I was even watching closely when I previously watched this interview; sometimes I just listen to interviews on video in the background. Sometimes, it can be hard to watch videos of Prince talking because he's gone now.)


.


Anyway, it's easy to overlook P's reaction because it is subtle, but after watching specifically for his reaction, it is definitely there. (Arsenio mentions having a son at 9:00 in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/w...hHwTLZpE). Prince had just gotten up out of his seat and walked in a humorous way, like "I'm about to leave if you keep talking about this after-hours party from years ago". Then, Arsenio mentions having a son, and I see Prince has a change in demeanor. (I always fear that I'm reading too much into a person's emotions when I'm looking for them like I was when watching for this moment in the video.) Prince waits a few seconds, then says "Congratulations," but he says it in a very flat, brief, and polite manner; there's no emotion to the "Congratulations" at all. Also, Prince doesn't ask for any additional information about Arsenio's son (e.g., what his name is, how old he is). Now of course, he's the one being interviewed (the interviewee), but I would expect the interviewee to show more emotion or ask for a little bit of information about the interviewer's child, like "Congratulations! How old is he? What's his name?" Arsenio's show was on late-night television, so the interviews are more of a conversation, if you will, than on a show like 60 Minutes.


.


Prince wipes his nose at 9:05. He also wiped his nose again at 9:39. I went back and looked to see if he touched his face like that before the moment Arsenio mentions his own son. He did not wipe his nose at all prior to Arsenio mentioning his own son, only after Arsenio mentions having a son. I also notice at 9:42-43, Prince bites his lip, which is the first time I saw that occur in the interview. Then, look at the way he reacts at 9:44 when Arsenio says "good times"; he nods quickly in an almost "let's keep it moving" kind of way. Then, at 9:54, Prince very briefly exhibits a really sad look on his face as the camera pans across the set and Arsenio is saying that they're going to take a commercial break.


.


Overall, Prince plays off his emotions well. The reaction to Arsenio talking about his own son was subtle, and for a casual viewer, it is easy to miss the change in Prince's demeanor. I don't want to sound like I'm seeing things in that situation that weren't there, but it was clear to me from the way that Prince reacted to Arsenio mentioning his son, that the loss of his son still affected him in 2014, all those years later.


[Edited 3/10/18 21:34pm]

[Edited 3/11/18 10:21am]



I have seen this interview and will view it again after I type this
To review the moments you mention. But I wanted to say I always felt that moment
Was insensitive of Arsenio as the interviewer to express his joy that way when
The person your interviewing has had that kind of loss. It was an awful look for Arsenio to put a guest in that position. There was no need for Arsenio to “brag”
About his current life in that particular regard. I felt bad for Prince.


I agree. Arsenio’s remark about having a son was related to the topic of conversation, but not an essential peice of information for sustaining the conversation. Arsenio’s remark about having a son would be appropriate for most of his guests, namely guests who have children or are voluntarily childless. However, in my opinion, initiating a remark about having a son would not be appropriate for guests whom Arsenio knows have no children due to infertility, have recently lost a child, or are childless parents (their only child or children have died). If the interviewee asked about his son, then Arsenio has every right to respond; Prince did not ask about Arsenio’s son. Since Arsenio knew or should have known that Prince was a childless parent, and mentioning his own son was not essential for the conversation to continue, I believe that Arsenio initiating the comment about his own son was inappropriate. However, Prince handled this uncomfortable topic of conversation (Arsenio’s son) very well.
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Reply #233 posted 03/12/18 9:05am

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

purplefam99 said:
I have seen this interview and will view it again after I type this To review the moments you mention. But I wanted to say I always felt that moment Was insensitive of Arsenio as the interviewer to express his joy that way when The person your interviewing has had that kind of loss. It was an awful look for Arsenio to put a guest in that position. There was no need for Arsenio to “brag” About his current life in that particular regard. I felt bad for Prince.
I agree. Arsenio’s remark about having a son was related to the topic of conversation, but not an essential peice of information for sustaining the conversation. Arsenio’s remark about having a son would be appropriate for most of his guests, namely guests who have children or are voluntarily childless. However, in my opinion, initiating a remark about having a son would not be appropriate for guests whom Arsenio knows have no children due to infertility, have recently lost a child, or are childless parents (their only child or children have died). If the interviewee asked about his son, then Arsenio has every right to respond; Prince did not ask about Arsenio’s son. Since Arsenio knew or should have known that Prince was a childless parent, and mentioning his own son was not essential for the conversation to continue, I believe that Arsenio initiating the comment about his own son was inappropriate. However, Prince handled this uncomfortable topic of conversation (Arsenio’s son) very well.

I agree.After watching the interview again,it was clear that Prince looked uncomfortable and wanted to move on.

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Reply #234 posted 03/12/18 11:47am

amethyst68

206Michelle said:



Rainbow1 said:




Lovejunky said:



I see the TRUTH in that....




I see that to be the truth. From my own personal experience--not all love is the same..even though you can see magic with Prince with other people, but with Matye I feel he was really open and included her in pretty much everything he did including adding "M" into his symbol and she was included in so many musical moments in his life. She was the mother of his son etc. I believe that if they had let their ego's go, they would have found their way back to each other. I don't see Matye ever moving on from him. Its sad. She truly loved him with faults and all. I believe Prince knew this..or at least realised it after his second marriage that Matye was compliant and she truly didn't want anything from him but his love. She was pushed out because I feel that Prince found it really painful to be around her because of losing their children. It was too painful for him. But I believe that all though he moved on with people etc...there was a part of him that was Matye's. There was a moment on Arisno Hall Show where Arsino mentions that he is a changed man because he has a son now. In the moment you can see Prince looked so uncomfortable and Arsino realised that Prince was uncomfortable but Prince being gracious said congradulations...etc. I felt for him there because you can sense that he too had a son, but he passed away many years ago and he too was probably a changed man but in a very different way.



I just watched the 2014 interview Prince did with Arsenio again so that I could see the moment of which you speak, where Prince reacts to Arsenio mentioning having a son. I have watched this interview before and didn't really pay attention to P's reaction when Arsenio mentions having a son. (Who knows if I was even watching closely when I previously watched this interview; sometimes I just listen to interviews on video in the background. Sometimes, it can be hard to watch videos of Prince talking because he's gone now.)


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Anyway, it's easy to overlook P's reaction because it is subtle, but after watching specifically for his reaction, it is definitely there. (Arsenio mentions having a son at 9:00 in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/w...hHwTLZpE). Prince had just gotten up out of his seat and walked in a humorous way, like "I'm about to leave if you keep talking about this after-hours party from years ago". Then, Arsenio mentions having a son, and I see Prince has a change in demeanor. (I always fear that I'm reading too much into a person's emotions when I'm looking for them like I was when watching for this moment in the video.) Prince waits a few seconds, then says "Congratulations," but he says it in a very flat, brief, and polite manner; there's no emotion to the "Congratulations" at all. Also, Prince doesn't ask for any additional information about Arsenio's son (e.g., what his name is, how old he is). Now of course, he's the one being interviewed (the interviewee), but I would expect the interviewee to show more emotion or ask for a little bit of information about the interviewer's child, like "Congratulations! How old is he? What's his name?" Arsenio's show was on late-night television, so the interviews are more of a conversation, if you will, than on a show like 60 Minutes.


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Prince wipes his nose at 9:05. He also wiped his nose again at 9:39. I went back and looked to see if he touched his face like that before the moment Arsenio mentions his own son. He did not wipe his nose at all prior to Arsenio mentioning his own son, only after Arsenio mentions having a son. I also notice at 9:42-43, Prince bites his lip, which is the first time I saw that occur in the interview. Then, look at the way he reacts at 9:44 when Arsenio says "good times"; he nods quickly in an almost "let's keep it moving" kind of way. Then, at 9:54, Prince very briefly exhibits a really sad look on his face as the camera pans across the set and Arsenio is saying that they're going to take a commercial break.


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Overall, Prince plays off his emotions well. The reaction to Arsenio talking about his own son was subtle, and for a casual viewer, it is easy to miss the change in Prince's demeanor. I don't want to sound like I'm seeing things in that situation that weren't there, but it was clear to me from the way that Prince reacted to Arsenio mentioning his son, that the loss of his son still affected him in 2014, all those years later.


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I rewatched the interview based on your comment and agree. Many have said he never got over his son’s death and I can see it in the interview.
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Reply #235 posted 03/12/18 12:57pm

purplefam99

Rainbow1 said:

magdalena32 said:

206Michelle said: December, I believe. Not sure of the exact date. It’s a 2min news clip having to do with their charity (love4oneanother). He played a free show for some inner city kids. They also gave out coats.

I am happy to see this clip because it really show's them together in a non orchestrated moment and they both were involved with their charity love4onanother. This def leaves no doubt that all though years may have passed and people do change...those moments will forever stay the same. I like to believe that he loved Matye even with everything right to the end and beyond..yes he loved many women and perhaps they too have place in his mind and heart but she was special in many different ways and going to back to OP's appreciation of Matye--I like to believe that he always loved her even with all the stuff inbetween. Matye clearly loved him and still loves him. I hope she can find some peace.

i like to believe it too and i do believe it. that is also why i think she believed they would find

their way back to each other. i do think he was NOT going to revist life with her, but not for

lack of love that he had for her but for the amount of pain that rested in that love. there was plenty

of love left there but P wasn't going to hang in the pain. And i feel if he had let himself, the music

we would have heard from him would have been too much for us, if he had allowed himself the

therapy that comes from (comfronting/walking thru/or helping Mayte thru) pain. Bless them both

for they became father and mother together. They are forever a family.

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Reply #236 posted 03/12/18 2:18pm

pinkcashmere23

In 2015 Prince posted a photo on IG from the mid 90's with Mayte in the background and he's playing the bass with her eye painted on it.When I saw that I did wonder if he had been thinking about her and perhaps missing their time together.

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Reply #237 posted 03/12/18 2:22pm

benni

206Michelle said:

I don't know who the woman is that he's holding. However, I'm posting this photo on this thread because it's from the Emancipation era and he's wearing his wedding ring.

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Source: http://prince.org/msg/7/425105

Since Prince's passing SO MANY new, unseen photos!!!! Post them here!!!

(p. 63, reply #1883 (http://prince.org/msg/7/425105?&pg=63)


They actually sold this in a set of 8x10s from one of his websites. I have this one and a couple of others that I had ordered from the site back then.

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Reply #238 posted 03/12/18 4:19pm

Rainbow1

pinkcashmere23 said:

In 2015 Prince posted a photo on IG from the mid 90's with Mayte in the background and he's playing the bass with her eye painted on it.When I saw that I did wonder if he had been thinking about her and perhaps missing their time together.

I would like to see the photo..where is it? If he put it up in 2015 then yes I like to believe he was still thinking of her and perhaps missed her, missed their life together and missed his family. This would have been after the 2014 Arsenio interview.

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Reply #239 posted 03/12/18 4:58pm

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Thanks everyone for keeping things pleasant in rememberance of the music and journey of Princes life while Mayte was his band dancer and his wife...
Especially coming up to the 2nd anniversay of his passing

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Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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