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Thread started 07/28/18 5:51am

PURPLEIZED3121

Danger in not releasing vault songs? - 'borrowing' of ideas from band members?

Colour ne HUUUUGELY CYNICAL.......

Now that the NPG & the I believe the Revolution [?] & likewise Judith Hill etc are starting to record or starting to release stuff this question NEEDS to be asked. Prince & all of these artists jammed & recorded constantly, as we know most of it is locked away in the vault. Surely there is a temptation from associated artists to 'borrow' a lick here, a lyric there or even a whole melody? I listended to Judiths last single Pepper Club & the Q's started floating around in my mind.

The stupidity & incompetence of the estate & all involved in the vault has left themselves wide open to abuse.

Thoughts on this wildly speculative & cynical thread are more than welcome!..also...if you were an ex-band mate & felt unrecognised/cheated when working for P....would you be tempted?!

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Reply #1 posted 07/28/18 6:33am

coldasice

The minute I heard The Way You MKe Me Fell...I knew that P had at least some involvement. As to how much, who knows. She’s tight lipped, but I can’t help but wonder...is she respecting his wishes or watching out for her cashflow? So yes I believe they will all take whatever pieces,guitar licks,bass & synth lines, vocal hooks. It may not always even be intentional...it will happen though. I believe that Tyka P tribute song was done in that manner also.
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Reply #2 posted 07/28/18 6:52am

thedoorkeeper

His influence lives on in other people's music - I don't see it as a problem or a danger.
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Reply #3 posted 07/28/18 9:34am

TrivialPursuit

This is a ridiculous idea. Here's why:


1) Not every band member was there for every song's creation;

2) stealing stuff is illegal and the estate can come after their ass;


3) the bands back together and touring is cute for a minute, but I, personally, have no interesting in a Revolution (as much as I love them) or NPG album of new material without Prince being part of the process; most fans wouldn't either. If they are going to record new material, do it under a new name. The Time did it and made a fantastic album, Condensate. The Family made a beautiful record of new material plus a cover album as fDeluxe;

4) There is literally so much in the vault that none of them could ever beg, borrow, and steal enough to diminish the appeal of it to the consumer, especially disguised as their own original works;

5) The appeal of actual Prince music far outweighs that of former employees doing their version of a cover band.

You have no idea what the estate's mindset is on the vault. They've moved it to a very secure place that is built for holding recordings and protecting them (an idea that Hans Martin-Buff has endorsed and explained in a recent interview with The Violet Reality aka orgModerator Militant). "left themselves wide open to abuse" is 100% conjecture on your part. You are not there, nor do you have the slightest idea what is going on - that is until you stop shit posting on the Org and actually read something first.

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Reply #4 posted 07/28/18 11:14am

PURPLEIZED3121

thedoorkeeper said:

His influence lives on in other people's music - I don't see it as a problem or a danger.

not really of the point made in this thread topic. Influence is obvious..I am talking about 'taking' from work that was laready done & is locked away.

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Reply #5 posted 07/28/18 11:28am

PURPLEIZED3121

TrivialPursuit said:

This is a ridiculous idea. Here's why:


1) Not every band member was there for every song's creation;

2) stealing stuff is illegal and the estate can come after their ass;


3) the bands back together and touring is cute for a minute, but I, personally, have no interesting in a Revolution (as much as I love them) or NPG album of new material without Prince being part of the process; most fans wouldn't either. If they are going to record new material, do it under a new name. The Time did it and made a fantastic album, Condensate. The Family made a beautiful record of new material plus a cover album as fDeluxe;

4) There is literally so much in the vault that none of them could ever beg, borrow, and steal enough to diminish the appeal of it to the consumer, especially disguised as their own original works;

5) The appeal of actual Prince music far outweighs that of former employees doing their version of a cover band.

You have no idea what the estate's mindset is on the vault. They've moved it to a very secure place that is built for holding recordings and protecting them (an idea that Hans Martin-Buff has endorsed and explained in a recent interview with The Violet Reality aka orgModerator Militant). "left themselves wide open to abuse" is 100% conjecture on your part. You are not there, nor do you have the slightest idea what is going on - that is until you stop shit posting on the Org and actually read something first.

re Point 2 - estate is so disorganised i highly doubt they would have a clue as to what was taken.

re Point 3 - the bands are milking this "we want to keep the legacy alive & tour" BS for 2 years & will continue to do so...they want payback for years of not being rewarded or recognised.

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Reply #6 posted 07/28/18 11:30am

PURPLEIZED3121

TrivialPursuit said:

This is a ridiculous idea. Here's why:


1) Not every band member was there for every song's creation;

2) stealing stuff is illegal and the estate can come after their ass;


3) the bands back together and touring is cute for a minute, but I, personally, have no interesting in a Revolution (as much as I love them) or NPG album of new material without Prince being part of the process; most fans wouldn't either. If they are going to record new material, do it under a new name. The Time did it and made a fantastic album, Condensate. The Family made a beautiful record of new material plus a cover album as fDeluxe;

4) There is literally so much in the vault that none of them could ever beg, borrow, and steal enough to diminish the appeal of it to the consumer, especially disguised as their own original works;

5) The appeal of actual Prince music far outweighs that of former employees doing their version of a cover band.

You have no idea what the estate's mindset is on the vault. They've moved it to a very secure place that is built for holding recordings and protecting them (an idea that Hans Martin-Buff has endorsed and explained in a recent interview with The Violet Reality aka orgModerator Militant). "left themselves wide open to abuse" is 100% conjecture on your part. You are not there, nor do you have the slightest idea what is going on - that is until you stop shit posting on the Org and actually read something first.

Will also make the point that from a commercial POV the estate need to get that vault locked down & in serious order & fully copywritten to avoid the obvious.

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Reply #7 posted 07/28/18 1:15pm

SoulAlive

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Colour ne HUUUUGELY CYNICAL.......

Now that the NPG & the I believe the Revolution [?] & likewise Judith Hill etc are starting to record or starting to release stuff this question NEEDS to be asked. Prince & all of these artists jammed & recorded constantly, as we know most of it is locked away in the vault. Surely there is a temptation from associated artists to 'borrow' a lick here, a lyric there or even a whole melody? I listended to Judiths last single Pepper Club & the Q's started floating around in my mind.

The stupidity & incompetence of the estate & all involved in the vault has left themselves wide open to abuse.

hmmm so are you suggesting that the estate should simply release everything in the vaults as a way of stopping former bandmembers from "stealing" ideas? Sounds kinda extreme,dontcha think? smile

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Reply #8 posted 07/29/18 10:02am

Camileyun

SoulAlive said:



PURPLEIZED3121 said:


Colour ne HUUUUGELY CYNICAL.....



Now that the NPG & the I believe the Revolution [?] & likewise Judith Hill etc are starting to record or starting to release stuff this question NEEDS to be asked. Prince & all of these artists jammed & recorded constantly, as we know most of it is locked away in the vault. Surely there is a temptation from associated artists to 'borrow' a lick here, a lyric there or even a whole melody? I listended to Judiths last single Pepper Club & the Q's started floating around in my mind.


The stupidity & incompetence of the estate & all involved in the vault has left themselves wide open to abuse.






hmmm so are you suggesting that the estate should simply release everything in the vaults as a way of stopping former bandmembers from "stealing" ideas? Sounds kinda extreme,dontcha think? smile


Works for me! I don't care why they release everything, just do it while we're all "young" please!
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Reply #9 posted 07/30/18 6:58am

PURPLEIZED3121

SoulAlive said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Colour ne HUUUUGELY CYNICAL.......

Now that the NPG & the I believe the Revolution [?] & likewise Judith Hill etc are starting to record or starting to release stuff this question NEEDS to be asked. Prince & all of these artists jammed & recorded constantly, as we know most of it is locked away in the vault. Surely there is a temptation from associated artists to 'borrow' a lick here, a lyric there or even a whole melody? I listended to Judiths last single Pepper Club & the Q's started floating around in my mind.

The stupidity & incompetence of the estate & all involved in the vault has left themselves wide open to abuse.

hmmm so are you suggesting that the estate should simply release everything in the vaults as a way of stopping former bandmembers from "stealing" ideas? Sounds kinda extreme,dontcha think? smile

Clearly not. What tyhey need to do for their own self protection is to copywrite as much as possible if its not already been done. This includes proper writing credits, notating all the lryics , music etc. Lock that mother down!

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Reply #10 posted 07/30/18 7:36am

PURPLEIZED3121

How about Chaka Khans plan to release stuff they did together...I am sat here listening to her damn funky new song [LIKE SUGAR]...purple vibes all over it!

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Reply #11 posted 07/30/18 10:16am

pinkcashmere23

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Colour ne HUUUUGELY CYNICAL.......

Now that the NPG & the I believe the Revolution [?] & likewise Judith Hill etc are starting to record or starting to release stuff this question NEEDS to be asked. Prince & all of these artists jammed & recorded constantly, as we know most of it is locked away in the vault. Surely there is a temptation from associated artists to 'borrow' a lick here, a lyric there or even a whole melody? I listended to Judiths last single Pepper Club & the Q's started floating around in my mind.

The stupidity & incompetence of the estate & all involved in the vault has left themselves wide open to abuse.

Thoughts on this wildly speculative & cynical thread are more than welcome!..also...if you were an ex-band mate & felt unrecognised/cheated when working for P....would you be tempted?!

I hadn't thought of the possibility of them doing that. I'm noticing a lot of his influence in some of the associate's new music as well.Especially Judith's "Pepper Club" and Ida's new song a bit too.Nik West's song snippet"Cotton Candy pt.1" from her EP Say Something also sounds very influenced by Prince but I think that was recorded in 2015. I wondered if he may have had some involvement with it.

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Reply #12 posted 08/01/18 5:10am

Zannaloaf

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Colour ne HUUUUGELY CYNICAL.......

Now that the NPG & the I believe the Revolution [?] & likewise Judith Hill etc are starting to record or starting to release stuff this question NEEDS to be asked. Prince & all of these artists jammed & recorded constantly, as we know most of it is locked away in the vault. Surely there is a temptation from associated artists to 'borrow' a lick here, a lyric there or even a whole melody? I listended to Judiths last single Pepper Club & the Q's started floating around in my mind.

The stupidity & incompetence of the estate & all involved in the vault has left themselves wide open to abuse.

Thoughts on this wildly speculative & cynical thread are more than welcome!..also...if you were an ex-band mate & felt unrecognised/cheated when working for P....would you be tempted?!

The question, IMO, does not really need to be asked. You seem to be whipping up drama over nothing.
You realize these are competent musicians in their own right? Why borrow a lick SPECIFICALLY out of an old vault song? Prince borrowed licks! Most musicians do. It's about how you put them together that really matters. A lick or even melody line alone does not make a song great.

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Reply #13 posted 08/01/18 7:03am

PURPLEIZED3121

Zannaloaf said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Colour ne HUUUUGELY CYNICAL.......

Now that the NPG & the I believe the Revolution [?] & likewise Judith Hill etc are starting to record or starting to release stuff this question NEEDS to be asked. Prince & all of these artists jammed & recorded constantly, as we know most of it is locked away in the vault. Surely there is a temptation from associated artists to 'borrow' a lick here, a lyric there or even a whole melody? I listended to Judiths last single Pepper Club & the Q's started floating around in my mind.

The stupidity & incompetence of the estate & all involved in the vault has left themselves wide open to abuse.

Thoughts on this wildly speculative & cynical thread are more than welcome!..also...if you were an ex-band mate & felt unrecognised/cheated when working for P....would you be tempted?!

The question, IMO, does not really need to be asked. You seem to be whipping up drama over nothing.
You realize these are competent musicians in their own right? Why borrow a lick SPECIFICALLY out of an old vault song? Prince borrowed licks! Most musicians do. It's about how you put them together that really matters. A lick or even melody line alone does not make a song great.

no intention to whip up a frenzy, just a topic worthy of consideration. OK forget licks..how about a straight up copy of a full song?!

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