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Thread started 04/03/17 3:29pm

bsprout

New article re: book 'Dig if You will the Picture'/Ben Greenman

I was trying to post this in the existing thread on this book but wasn't able to.
From 'The New Yorker' today:

http://www.newyorker.com/...for-prince
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Reply #1 posted 04/03/17 4:02pm

Musze

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His point about those who confuse what they beLIEve with TRUTH is one I agree with. Huge problem. For all things, Prince-related or otherwise.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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Reply #2 posted 04/03/17 4:49pm

pdiddy2011

The article certainly reads like a book written out of love and respect. Let's hope thats the case.

I for one do not "get" this possessive fandom from some Prince fans. I am a big fan myself, and have been for decades; I recall in past threads that I have questioned why some people want to keep Prince to themselves. He (Prince) ALWAYS put out the vibe that music is the great healer, the great unifier - for everyone, not a select few.

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Reply #3 posted 04/04/17 4:57am

bsprout

Yes, some people are possessive that way. I can see how Prince had that effect on some people. But I would agree, someone like Prince is so larger than life, to use a cliché, that he transcends all of this. Prince is for no one, and for everyone.
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Reply #4 posted 04/04/17 1:09pm

3rdeyedude

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Seems like it will be a great book.

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Reply #5 posted 04/10/17 4:58am

bsprout

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Reply #6 posted 05/10/17 3:39pm

Latin

bsprout said:

I was trying to post this in the existing thread on this book but wasn't able to.
From 'The New Yorker' today:

http://www.newyorker.com/...for-prince
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Thank you for sharing.
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Reply #7 posted 05/10/17 5:15pm

muleFunk

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Do you know when it's coming out?

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Reply #8 posted 05/10/17 5:28pm

Latin

muleFunk said:

Do you know when it's coming out?


The book is available now.
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Reply #9 posted 05/10/17 6:15pm

muleFunk

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Latin said:

muleFunk said:

Do you know when it's coming out?

The book is available now.

I'll check it out.

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Reply #10 posted 05/10/17 7:13pm

Latin

muleFunk said:



Latin said:


muleFunk said:

Do you know when it's coming out?



The book is available now.


I'll check it out.



Please let us know what you think of it. It sounds good.
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Reply #11 posted 05/10/17 7:25pm

Latin

Here is a review of the book by George Clinton:

“When it comes to funk and words, lyrics and language, there couldn’t be a better pairing than Ben Greenman and Prince. From my experience with both of them, this is the perfect match, like ham hocks and cornflakes.”

―George Clinton
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Reply #12 posted 05/11/17 3:48am

Nasalhair

I'm reading the book at the moment and have almost finished it (about to start the final chapter.) It's OK, but I'm a little disappointed with it if I'm honest. The approach is good - each chapter covers a theme, such as religion in his music, or politics, or his feelings on the internet etc. - and it feels almost like a collection of essays rather than a biography, as it focuses on the music rather than the man. As you'd expect there are mistakes, such as urban legends being treated as fact (says his & Mayte's son was called Boy Gregory, but we know that's not the case), a few typos, and lots of the author's personal opinion again being put across as fact - this is his best album, this is his worst song, etc. - and lots of these will raise the hackles of certain readers (example - the author apparently thought the Lovesexy tour wasn't very good). It's worth a look, and it's a damn sight better than Matt Thorne's book, but I expected more from this one. 3 out of 5 from me.

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Reply #13 posted 05/11/17 5:39am

BartVanHemelen

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muleFunk said:

Do you know when it's coming out?

.

Using Google must be really difficult.

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Reply #14 posted 05/11/17 5:39am

BartVanHemelen

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Latin said:

Here is a review of the book by George Clinton: “When it comes to funk and words, lyrics and language, there couldn’t be a better pairing than Ben Greenman and Prince. From my experience with both of them, this is the perfect match, like ham hocks and cornflakes.” ―George Clinton

.

That isn't a review, that's a blurb.

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Reply #15 posted 05/11/17 5:46am

BartVanHemelen

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Latin said:

muleFunk said:

I'll check it out.

Please let us know what you think of it. It sounds good.

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It isn't. Plenty of it is Greenman showing off his "look at me dragging in other literary works to prove I've read a bunch of difficult books", combined with a bunch of bland, superficial information you shoudl already know and an increasing amount of serious errors. The book's chapters also seem to have been re-arranged at a fairly late stage, causing him to casually mention some references which don't get explained until much later.

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Quite frankly, it's a waste of time unless you want to read a pretentious dude show off his skills while having not that interesting opinions about Prince's music. Save your money and time for worthwhile efforts, like Duane Tudahl's upcoming book about the Purple Rain era studio sessions.

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Reply #16 posted 05/11/17 5:53am

Nasalhair

BartVanHemelen said:

Latin said:

muleFunk said: Please let us know what you think of it. It sounds good.

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It isn't. Plenty of it is Greenman showing off his "look at me dragging in other literary works to prove I've read a bunch of difficult books", combined with a bunch of bland, superficial information you shoudl already know and an increasing amount of serious errors. The book's chapters also seem to have been re-arranged at a fairly late stage, causing him to casually mention some references which don't get explained until much later.

.

Quite frankly, it's a waste of time unless you want to read a pretentious dude show off his skills while having not that interesting opinions about Prince's music. Save your money and time for worthwhile efforts, like Duane Tudahl's upcoming book about the Purple Rain era studio sessions.

Totally agree.

[Edited 5/11/17 5:53am]

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Reply #17 posted 05/12/17 4:48pm

muleFunk

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BartVanHemelen said:

muleFunk said:

Do you know when it's coming out?

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Using Google must be really difficult.

Fuck you..... lol

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Reply #18 posted 05/24/17 5:10am

JohnCragg

Nasalhair said:

I'm reading the book at the moment and have almost finished it (about to start the final chapter.) It's OK, but I'm a little disappointed with it if I'm honest. The approach is good - each chapter covers a theme, such as religion in his music, or politics, or his feelings on the internet etc. - and it feels almost like a collection of essays rather than a biography, as it focuses on the music rather than the man. As you'd expect there are mistakes, such as urban legends being treated as fact (says his & Mayte's son was called Boy Gregory, but we know that's not the case), a few typos, and lots of the author's personal opinion again being put across as fact - this is his best album, this is his worst song, etc. - and lots of these will raise the hackles of certain readers (example - the author apparently thought the Lovesexy tour wasn't very good). It's worth a look, and it's a damn sight better than Matt Thorne's book, but I expected more from this one. 3 out of 5 from me.

Great answer Nasalhair

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Reply #19 posted 05/24/17 9:27am

laytonian

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I read this when it first came out.
Greenman sometimes seems more obsessed with defining himself than his subject. I agree that it's poorly edited; I rolled my eyes at some of the mistakes.
But from his obsessive fan perspective, it's interesting.
This isn't so much about Prince as it is about being a long-time fan.
I'd also give it a 3/5 in the worth a read category.
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There really aren't any other new books coming for awhile.
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I can't wait for Neal Karlen's book.
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Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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