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Reply #450 posted 05/19/17 10:58am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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Part of the problem was Bremer didnt have copies of the pre-2014 agreements with Warner Bros. Comerica obtained copies shortly after their appointment.

Warner Bros. refuses to allow UMG to review the 2014 Warner Bros agreement.

Comerica attempted to re-negotiate an agreement with UMG.

UMG rejected the re-negotiated agreement.

In a letter dated April 19, 2017, UMG alleges it was fraudulently induced to enter into

the UMG agreement by representatives of the Estate including Lonny.

Comerica has agreed to rescind the agreement with UMG.

What a hot mess!

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Reply #451 posted 05/19/17 11:02am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Part of the problem was Bremer didnt have copies of the pre-2014 agreements with Warner Bros. Comerica obtained copies shortly after their appointment.

Warner Bros. refuses to allow UMG to review the 2014 Warner Bros agreement.

Comerica attempted to re-negotiate an agreement with UMG.

UMG rejected the re-negotiated agreement.

In a letter dated April 19, 2017, UMG alleges it was fraudulently induced to enter into

the UMG agreement by representatives of the Estate including Lonny.

Comerica has agreed to rescind the agreement with UMG.

What a hot mess!

campfire

Why do you think Comerica was able to get copies of the agreement and not Bremer?

I think I know the reason.

I understand why WB would not let UMG see the agreement. What company would willing to help give business away to a competitor?

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Reply #452 posted 05/19/17 11:16am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Part of the problem was Bremer didnt have copies of the pre-2014 agreements with Warner Bros. Comerica obtained copies shortly after their appointment.

Warner Bros. refuses to allow UMG to review the 2014 Warner Bros agreement.

Comerica attempted to re-negotiate an agreement with UMG.

UMG rejected the re-negotiated agreement.

In a letter dated April 19, 2017, UMG alleges it was fraudulently induced to enter into

the UMG agreement by representatives of the Estate including Lonny.

Comerica has agreed to rescind the agreement with UMG.

What a hot mess!

campfire

Why do you think Comerica was able to get copies of the agreement and not Bremer?

I think I know the reason.

I understand why WB would not let UMG see the agreement. What company would willing to help give business away to a competitor?

Comerica appears to be smarter than Bremer, and asked for copies.

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Reply #453 posted 05/19/17 11:29am

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Good work, guys with deciphering all this information!! biggrin

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Very interesting, indeed.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #454 posted 05/19/17 11:30am

laytonian

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I haven't seen anyone mention the most important item in the heirship ruling.
Judge Eide ruled that Prince had died intestate (ie, no will). It had not been official before now.
That's important because despite all the searches, nothing turned up. The judge allowed 13'months. I'm assuming that nothing was found in Patrick Cousins' large document storage -- which had been the subject of a subpoena, right?
I still don't trust Cousins.
Mayte says P had a will during their marriage. There likely was one during the second marriage and PC was involved in that divorce.
He would know if a will was withdrawn. They don't just "expire" unless specifically written to do so when a certain event occurs.
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That ruling was necessary before the MN heirship law went into effect.
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[Edited 5/19/17 11:31am]
Don't kiss the beast, be superior at least!
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Reply #455 posted 05/19/17 11:41am

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laytonian said:

. I haven't seen anyone mention the most important item in the heirship ruling. Judge Eide ruled that Prince had died intestate (ie, no will). It had not been official before now. That's important because despite all the searches, nothing turned up. The judge allowed 13'months. I'm assuming that nothing was found in Patrick Cousins' large document storage -- which had been the subject of a subpoena, right? I still don't trust Cousins. Mayte says P had a will during their marriage. There likely was one during the second marriage and PC was involved in that divorce. He would know if a will was withdrawn. They don't just "expire" unless specifically written to do so when a certain event occurs. . That ruling was necessary before the MN heirship law went into effect. . [Edited 5/19/17 11:31am]

Maybe the last will he had was written to expire if their was a divorce and he just did not care anymore. People go throught a lot of emotions when they divorce. It would interesting if someone who was around back then knew what his state of mind was when the divorce was finalized.

I mean he bulldozed a whole house at the onset of the proceedings he could have got over it or he could have gone into a dark place.

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Reply #456 posted 05/19/17 12:05pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

. I haven't seen anyone mention the most important item in the heirship ruling. Judge Eide ruled that Prince had died intestate (ie, no will). It had not been official before now. That's important because despite all the searches, nothing turned up. The judge allowed 13'months. I'm assuming that nothing was found in Patrick Cousins' large document storage -- which had been the subject of a subpoena, right? I still don't trust Cousins. Mayte says P had a will during their marriage. There likely was one during the second marriage and PC was involved in that divorce. He would know if a will was withdrawn. They don't just "expire" unless specifically written to do so when a certain event occurs. . That ruling was necessary before the MN heirship law went into effect. . [Edited 5/19/17 11:31am]

Maybe the last will he had was written to expire if their was a divorce and he just did not care anymore. People go throught a lot of emotions when they divorce. It would interesting if someone who was around back then knew what his state of mind was when the divorce was finalized.

I mean he bulldozed a whole house at the onset of the proceedings he could have got over it or he could have gone into a dark place.

M1 said there was a will but she never saw a will.

lol

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Reply #457 posted 05/19/17 12:15pm

Misslink88

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Maybe the last will he had was written to expire if their was a divorce and he just did not care anymore. People go throught a lot of emotions when they divorce. It would interesting if someone who was around back then knew what his state of mind was when the divorce was finalized.

I mean he bulldozed a whole house at the onset of the proceedings he could have got over it or he could have gone into a dark place.

M1 said there was a will but she never saw a will.

lol

M1 says a lot of things. As far as I remember, the M2 Will was a second hand report as well. However, in both cases, I could see a Will having been drawn up at the times of these marriages but later recinded or voided or not signed in the first place. P was smart enough to know (or would have been advised) that a drawn up Will would still be in effect should anything happen to him.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
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Reply #458 posted 05/19/17 12:19pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Maybe the last will he had was written to expire if their was a divorce and he just did not care anymore. People go throught a lot of emotions when they divorce. It would interesting if someone who was around back then knew what his state of mind was when the divorce was finalized.

I mean he bulldozed a whole house at the onset of the proceedings he could have got over it or he could have gone into a dark place.

M1 said there was a will but she never saw a will.

lol

MI never seemed to see anything or know anything unless it pertains to her book eek

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Reply #459 posted 05/19/17 12:24pm

cloveringold85

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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

M1 said there was a will but she never saw a will.

lol

MI never seemed to see anything or know anything unless it pertains to her book eek

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yeahthat lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #460 posted 05/19/17 12:25pm

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laurarichardson said:



ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:




laurarichardson said:



Maybe the last will he had was written to expire if their was a divorce and he just did not care anymore. People go throught a lot of emotions when they divorce. It would interesting if someone who was around back then knew what his state of mind was when the divorce was finalized.



I mean he bulldozed a whole house at the onset of the proceedings he could have got over it or he could have gone into a dark place.





M1 said there was a will but she never saw a will.


lol



MI never seemed to see anything or know anything unless it pertains to her book eek



lol
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Reply #461 posted 05/19/17 12:32pm

1Sasha

He ran that marriage the way men used to run marriages years ago - it was his money, his life and the wife didn't know anything about finances, including any end-of-life documents. Thank God that has changed in our society.

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Reply #462 posted 05/19/17 12:42pm

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1Sasha said:

He ran that marriage the way men used to run marriages years ago - it was his money, his life and the wife didn't know anything about finances, including any end-of-life documents. Thank God that has changed in our society.

That has not changed for women with no education or job skills.

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Reply #463 posted 05/19/17 1:09pm

AnnaSantana

1Sasha said:

He ran that marriage the way men used to run marriages years ago - it was his money, his life and the wife didn't know anything about finances, including any end-of-life documents. Thank God that has changed in our society.


I agree.
Just fun....nothing ethereal.
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Reply #464 posted 05/19/17 1:39pm

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laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

He ran that marriage the way men used to run marriages years ago - it was his money, his life and the wife didn't know anything about finances, including any end-of-life documents. Thank God that has changed in our society.

That has not changed for women with no education or job skills.

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eyepop

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #465 posted 05/19/17 4:13pm

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1Sasha said:

He ran that marriage the way men used to run marriages years ago - it was his money, his life and the wife didn't know anything about finances, including any end-of-life documents. Thank God that has changed in our society.


Agree! You betcha that has changed....without women there would be no men...
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Reply #466 posted 05/19/17 4:53pm

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rolleyes

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Reply #467 posted 05/19/17 5:14pm

rap

Prince’s Six Heirs Officially Confirmed by Judge

http://variety.com/2017/music/news/prince-heirs-confirmed-estate-1202437244/

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Reply #468 posted 05/19/17 9:48pm

udo

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rap said:

Prince’s Six Heirs Officially Confirmed by Judge

http://variety.com/2017/music/news/prince-heirs-confirmed-estate-1202437244/

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Sort of same in Dutch: http://www.nu.nl/achterkl...rince.html

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #469 posted 05/20/17 4:04am

darlingnikkkki

I'm just happy that the JW church is not getting a cent from his estate-- whether or not that was Prince's intent by not leaving a will in the end.
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Reply #470 posted 05/20/17 4:26am

udo

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darlingnikkkki said:

I'm just happy that the JW church is not getting a cent from his estate-- whether or not that was Prince's intent by not leaving a will in the end.

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Interesting point.

Why didn't he decide to leave x part of his stuff/money/etc to that church?

What excuse would Larry have for his baby brother?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #471 posted 05/20/17 6:10am

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cloveringold85 said:



laurarichardson said:




1Sasha said:


He ran that marriage the way men used to run marriages years ago - it was his money, his life and the wife didn't know anything about finances, including any end-of-life documents. Thank God that has changed in our society.



That has not changed for women with no education or job skills.



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eyepop



---Stop being naive.
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Reply #472 posted 05/20/17 6:12am

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darlingnikkkki said:

I'm just happy that the JW church is not getting a cent from his estate-- whether or not that was Prince's intent by not leaving a will in the end.

--First of all why are you happy about someone else is doing with their money? In addition, I hate to tell you this but he gave hoards of money to the church before he passed away.
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Reply #473 posted 05/20/17 9:09am

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darlingnikkkki said:

I'm just happy that the JW church is not getting a cent from his estate-- whether or not that was Prince's intent by not leaving a will in the end.

Why do you care?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
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Reply #474 posted 05/20/17 11:18am

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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Part of the problem was Bremer didnt have copies of the pre-2014 agreements with Warner Bros. Comerica obtained copies shortly after their appointment.

Warner Bros. refuses to allow UMG to review the 2014 Warner Bros agreement.

Comerica attempted to re-negotiate an agreement with UMG.

UMG rejected the re-negotiated agreement.

In a letter dated April 19, 2017, UMG alleges it was fraudulently induced to enter into

the UMG agreement by representatives of the Estate including Lonny.

Comerica has agreed to rescind the agreement with UMG.

What a hot mess!

campfire

Why do you think Comerica was able to get copies of the agreement and not Bremer?

I think I know the reason.

I understand why WB would not let UMG see the agreement. What company would willing to help give business away to a competitor?


thanks for making sense of all these news and court articles. cool

seems like this is the best outcome for this situation. just have everything ragerding the music,
at least for his warners period, go to warners. that will make it much more easy to put together
expanded re-releases of his albums in the future.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #475 posted 05/20/17 12:20pm

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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eyepop

---Stop being naive.

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I'm not naive. I understood what you meant, and am in agreement with you.

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While I believe that a lot of women are more independent these days, there are still a lot of gold-diggers out there and there are women who will not get involved with any man unless he earns a certain amount of money.

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I would like to add that Prince gave both of his ex-wives a lifestyle that they could not afford on their own, or with anyone else for that matter, imo.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #476 posted 05/20/17 12:23pm

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rap said:

Prince’s Six Heirs Officially Confirmed by Judge

http://variety.com/2017/music/news/prince-heirs-confirmed-estate-1202437244/

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Whoa! Interesting........

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The six heirs — his sister Tyka Nelson and five half-siblings: Omarr Baker, Alfred Jackson, John L. Nelson, Norrine Nelson and Sharon Nelson — have long been considered the presumed heirs, after a number of claimants were denied last year. The ruling begins a one-year process in which other would-be heirs can make their case to the judge.

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The filing also confirms that L. Londell McMillan, one of two former special music-industry advisers to the estate, will be the business adviser to three of the heirs: John, Norrine and Sharon Nelson. Tyka Nelson and Omarr Baker have been represented by attorney and CNN commentator Van Jones. A motion to quash a subpoena ordering McMillan to surrender certain documents was granted.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #477 posted 05/20/17 3:47pm

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Sharon Nelson can't party to her own jazz music for another year yet, as more time given for bogus heir claims to be made sad



"Musically way ahead of any of us" - Elton John on P

"I am a dyed-in-the-wool Englishman!" - Mozart (EU hater)


If most of the vault is like 'OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE' (8/10) prepare to be amazed, if it's more like NPG CLUB albums then don't expect much
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Reply #478 posted 05/20/17 4:57pm

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cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: ---Stop being naive.

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I'm not naive. I understood what you meant, and am in agreement with you.

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While I believe that a lot of women are more independent these days, there are still a lot of gold-diggers out there and there are women who will not get involved with any man unless he earns a certain amount of money.

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I would like to add that Prince gave both of his ex-wives a lifestyle that they could not afford on their own, or with anyone else for that matter, imo.

Of course they could not afford it on their own so they put up with his crap. Mayte even admitted that he put on a pedestal and she liked being on one.

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Reply #479 posted 05/20/17 5:14pm

darlingnikkkki

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darlingnikkkki said:


I'm just happy that the JW church is not getting a cent from his estate-- whether or not that was Prince's intent by not leaving a will in the end.

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Interesting point.


Why didn't he decide to leave x part of his stuff/money/etc to that church?


What excuse would Larry have for his baby brother?



I blame Larry Graham for making Prince join the JW and indirectly ruined his marriage with Mayte and directly responsible, if reports are true, for making Prince believe God cured his illness (HIV) and stopped taking his HIV meds that caused his health to deteriorate and ultimately led to his early death.
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