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Reply #30 posted 05/15/17 11:08am

ecnirp98

MD431Madcat said:

clearly you aren't a person that's well versed in what FUNK is.

Salford / Manchester/ the stone roses / the smiths/ james/ new order/10cc/ and the Chorlton era Bee Gee's -

***(before they went to america and got produced by others to sound like a Black DISCO group)?!?!

this is Funky to you? erm... ok! lol

since Northern england is so Funky..

please name one (1) successful Original FUNK or Funky group currently active there...

one that isn't playing cover songs in pubs, weddings and various other 'functions'.

Take your time... lol lol lol

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ecnirp98 said:

Happy Mondays were pretty funky and from Salford, I managed bands in Manchester in the late 80's/early 90's and allot of good music came out of Salford/MaDchester in 80's & 90's, like Joy division/the Smiths/James/New Order/Inspirals/Stone Roses. Go back abit further you have the Bee Gee's & 10CC, full of funk.

Also, Aziz Ibrahim is speaking at the conference, he played in the Stone Roses, Fools gold is one of the funkiest tracks you will ever hear.

[Edited 5/14/17 20:13pm]

hehehe I said the Happy Mondays were pretty funky, they were, it was a groovy time with WFL & Step On etc, the other bands were more examples for great music, rather than The Funk !!

And Prince loved to play Manchester, whenever he played the UK he always came to Manchester, 2 of the best Prince Gigs I went to were at the Academy in 2014, awesome nights smile

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Reply #31 posted 05/16/17 1:18am

Dibblekins

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Seriously? This again? FWI to anyone that didn't see the other thread I created on this topic-

he clogged up the old thread shitting on Salford and Manchester.

He's a troll. Take no notice, just stay on topic and talk about the conference, guys.

For a place that doesn't 'do funk' (apparently), I can't find links to any other cities hosting a 3-day Prince conference... wink

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Reply #32 posted 05/16/17 4:27am

Militant

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Don't take this thread off topic, please folks.

This conference is going to be fantastic.


I would urge all orgers going to check out Sam Coley's talk, as it specifically focuses on online fandom biggrin

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Reply #33 posted 05/16/17 11:34am

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Dibblekins said:

Angelsoncrack said:

Seriously? This again? FWI to anyone that didn't see the other thread I created on this topic-

he clogged up the old thread shitting on Salford and Manchester.

He's a troll. Take no notice, just stay on topic and talk about the conference, guys.

For a place that doesn't 'do funk' (apparently), I can't find links to any other cities hosting a 3-day Prince conference... wink

FYI, it's a world-wide academic conference. The attendees will not necessarily be professional funk soldiers. In fact, most popular culturologists aren't entertainers (just like most political scientists are not politicians and most astronomers aren't stars).

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Reply #34 posted 05/21/17 8:49am

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i wonder how many people will actually pay 240 for people to regurgitate what we already know

[Edited 5/21/17 8:50am]

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
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Reply #35 posted 05/21/17 11:47am

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Dilan said:

i wonder how many people will actually pay 240 for people to regurgitate what we already know

[Edited 5/21/17 8:50am]

This comment is kinda level-headed.

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Reply #36 posted 05/21/17 11:57am

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Dilan said:

i wonder how many people will actually pay 240 for people to regurgitate what we already know

[Edited 5/21/17 8:50am]


You clearly don't understand how academia works. It's not about facts. It's about relating the importance of Prince's career, and different aspects of it, into different fields, contrasting and comparing with different cultures, movements and work.

For example, the talk:



Joni Todd (Independent Scholar, USA)

'I’ll Paint a Beard on the Mona Lisa Even Though It’s My Favorite Jaw': The revolutionary careers of Prince and Marcel Duchamp.




Named after the Duchamp-referencing lyric from "I'll Do Anything", which in itself will be an obscure reference to many - how many people have thought to make an educated comparison talk and the life and work about Prince and Duchamp? How many people there will be aware of Duchamp at all ? Not many, in all likelihood - therefore an interesting, original talk.

or how about this one?



John Narayan (University of Warwick, UK)

Prince and the Racial Revolution: Walking the line between the post-racial and blackness



Yes, many have an awareness that Prince at times in his career positioned himself as a post-racial man of Uptown, a world where color didn't matter, racial ambiguity was something he deliberately played on to avoid being pigeonholed (for example, deliberately casting a white woman as his mother in Purple Rain) - and at other times in his career, Prince was proudly, fiercely, unapologetically black in how he presented his image - for example, look what the rise of hip-hop did when you compare the racial mix of The Revolution compared with the original New Power Generation - you go from Wendy, Lisa and Bobby to Sonny, Michael, Tony, Levi, etc.

But who in academia has explored in an intelligent, analytical and studious method how Prince walked on both sides of this line at different points in his career? That sounds like an absolutely fascinating talk.

There are talks on gender, identity, poetry, sound construction, liberation, fandom, performance, Hollywood, technology - all by people who literally study these things as a lifelong career. People from institutions as esteemed as Harvard and Stanford. In short, some of the most educated and intelligent people in the world.

If your understanding of this event is of people standing up regurgitating things you already know, then you have managed to spectacularly miss the point.




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Reply #37 posted 05/21/17 3:26pm

ecnirp98

Militant said:

Dilan said:

i wonder how many people will actually pay 240 for people to regurgitate what we already know

[Edited 5/21/17 8:50am]


You clearly don't understand how academia works. It's not about facts. It's about relating the importance of Prince's career, and different aspects of it, into different fields, contrasting and comparing with different cultures, movements and work.

For example, the talk:





Named after the Duchamp-referencing lyric from "I'll Do Anything", which in itself will be an obscure reference to many - how many people have thought to make an educated comparison talk and the life and work about Prince and Duchamp? How many people there will be aware of Duchamp at all ? Not many, in all likelihood - therefore an interesting, original talk.

or how about this one?



John Narayan (University of Warwick, UK)

Prince and the Racial Revolution: Walking the line between the post-racial and blackness



Yes, many have an awareness that Prince at times in his career positioned himself as a post-racial man of Uptown, a world where color didn't matter, racial ambiguity was something he deliberately played on to avoid being pigeonholed (for example, deliberately casting a white woman as his mother in Purple Rain) - and at other times in his career, Prince was proudly, fiercely, unapologetically black in how he presented his image - for example, look what the rise of hip-hop did when you compare the racial mix of The Revolution compared with the original New Power Generation - you go from Wendy, Lisa and Bobby to Sonny, Michael, Tony, Levi, etc.

But who in academia has explored in an intelligent, analytical and studious method how Prince walked on both sides of this line at different points in his career? That sounds like an absolutely fascinating talk.

There are talks on gender, identity, poetry, sound construction, liberation, fandom, performance, Hollywood, technology - all by people who literally study these things as a lifelong career. People from institutions as esteemed as Harvard and Stanford. In short, some of the most educated and intelligent people in the world.

If your understanding of this event is of people standing up regurgitating things you already know, then you have managed to spectacularly miss the point.




I do wonder who the event is aimed at though, its quite expensive and a 3 day midweek conference, so anyone who works, like myself, would struggle to attend.

I can't see many Prince fans attending, so I expect it will be more of a cultural discussion, rather than Prince specific, with a nod to his influences, the person who knows the answers to the makeup of his bands gender/race/influences etc cannot answer unfortunatley.

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Reply #38 posted 05/21/17 5:39pm

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ecnirp98 said:

Militant said:



Yes, many have an awareness that Prince at times in his career positioned himself as a post-racial man of Uptown, a world where color didn't matter, racial ambiguity was something he deliberately played on to avoid being pigeonholed (for example, deliberately casting a white woman as his mother in Purple Rain) - and at other times in his career, Prince was proudly, fiercely, unapologetically black in how he presented his image - for example, look what the rise of hip-hop did when you compare the racial mix of The Revolution compared with the original New Power Generation - you go from Wendy, Lisa and Bobby to Sonny, Michael, Tony, Levi, etc.

But who in academia has explored in an intelligent, analytical and studious method how Prince walked on both sides of this line at different points in his career? That sounds like an absolutely fascinating talk.

There are talks on gender, identity, poetry, sound construction, liberation, fandom, performance, Hollywood, technology - all by people who literally study these things as a lifelong career. People from institutions as esteemed as Harvard and Stanford. In short, some of the most educated and intelligent people in the world.

If your understanding of this event is of people standing up regurgitating things you already know, then you have managed to spectacularly miss the point.






I do wonder who the event is aimed at though, its quite expensive and a 3 day midweek conference, so anyone who works, like myself, would struggle to attend.

I can't see many Prince fans attending, so I expect it will be more of a cultural discussion, rather than Prince specific, with a nod to his influences, the person who knows the answers to the makeup of his bands gender/race/influences etc cannot answer unfortunatley.

I guess it's aimed mostly at academics. I understand what you're saying - I took time off work so I can attend.

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Reply #39 posted 05/21/17 8:08pm

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Salford University 64 Pages of Speaker extracts:


http://blogs.salford.ac.u...tracts.pdf

I wonder if this will be circulated on Video...?

some of the titles are SO interesting..

  • New Power, Sexuality and Emancipation: The revolutionary queerness of Prince through a Foucauldian lens
  • Slave 2 the System: Prince’s labour activism and the black radical tradition
  • To Make Purple, You Need Blue: Prince as an embodiment of the postmodern Blues aesthetic
  • Paisley Park Is In Your Heart: Contextualising Prince at Celebration 2017
  • Beyond Definition: The liberation theology of Prince
  • If I Was Your Girlfriend: Becoming a woman while listening to Prince
  • It Ain’t About No Downtown, Nowhere-Bound, Narrow-Minded Drag: Prince’s impact on the creative ecosystem of Minneapolis
  • Prince Shifting: Transformations of character through performance with vocal pitch shifting

NOTED YOUR COMMENT On the other thread Militant

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Reply #40 posted 05/21/17 8:12pm

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Militant said:

ecnirp98 said:



I do wonder who the event is aimed at though, its quite expensive and a 3 day midweek conference, so anyone who works, like myself, would struggle to attend.

I can't see many Prince fans attending, so I expect it will be more of a cultural discussion, rather than Prince specific, with a nod to his influences, the person who knows the answers to the makeup of his bands gender/race/influences etc cannot answer unfortunatley.

I guess it's aimed mostly at academics. I understand what you're saying - I took time off work so I can attend.

Im thrilled that Academics are talking about Prince and deeply contemplating his relevance

and Profound Cultural impact....

His work is being taken Seriously and deservedly so..

Malcom X and Martin Luther can rest in peace

~Prince has taken things to the next level

[Edited 5/21/17 20:14pm]

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Reply #41 posted 05/21/17 9:13pm

Lovejunky

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Militant said:

This is the main documentary.



I just listened to this Militant...

Fantastic work...Thank you

...Im of the Same opinion regarding PARADE

Timeless

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Reply #42 posted 05/22/17 5:17am

PURPLEIZED3121

how lucky we were to have shared the journey with this amazing genius. He will be studied & revered for years to come.

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Reply #43 posted 05/22/17 1:35pm

ecnirp98

Lovejunky said:

Militant said:

I guess it's aimed mostly at academics. I understand what you're saying - I took time off work so I can attend.

Im thrilled that Academics are talking about Prince and deeply contemplating his relevance

and Profound Cultural impact....

His work is being taken Seriously and deservedly so..

Malcom X and Martin Luther can rest in peace

~Prince has taken things to the next level

[Edited 5/21/17 20:14pm]

I can't help thinking Prince would have a smirk on his face seeing a load of Academics debating his impact on culture/race/music/sexuality, I can imagine him walking in the conference having been to the wreka stow and just putting something funky on............

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Reply #44 posted 05/23/17 10:43pm

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IM A TROLL THAT KNOWS MORE ABOUT MUSIC THAN YOU'LL EVER KNOW!

***BTW IM STILL WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT ONE FUNKY ARTIST DOING SOMETHING ORIGINAL IN MANCHESTER! lol lol lol

Angelsoncrack said:

Seriously? This again? FWI to anyone that didn't see the other thread I created on this topic-

he clogged up the old thread shitting on Salford and Manchester.

He's a troll. Take no notice, just stay on topic and talk about the conference, guys.

"holding grudges and anger is a waste of energy, We are all going to die. We are all evolving, trying to become better people, so let it go.”
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Reply #45 posted 05/23/17 10:46pm

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Prince played anywhere where there would be a pay cheque! lol

***

my heart is with the innocent people that lost thier lives at Manchester Arena.. it totally Sucks!!! sad

ecnirp98 said:

MD431Madcat said:

clearly you aren't a person that's well versed in what FUNK is.

Salford / Manchester/ the stone roses / the smiths/ james/ new order/10cc/ and the Chorlton era Bee Gee's -

***(before they went to america and got produced by others to sound like a Black DISCO group)?!?!

this is Funky to you? erm... ok! lol

since Northern england is so Funky..

please name one (1) successful Original FUNK or Funky group currently active there...

one that isn't playing cover songs in pubs, weddings and various other 'functions'.

Take your time... lol lol lol

4c4160748b6fb2428193095d04d555d8.jpg

[Edited 5/14/17 20:13pm]

hehehe I said the Happy Mondays were pretty funky, they were, it was a groovy time with WFL & Step On etc, the other bands were more examples for great music, rather than The Funk !!

And Prince loved to play Manchester, whenever he played the UK he always came to Manchester, 2 of the best Prince Gigs I went to were at the Academy in 2014, awesome nights smile

"holding grudges and anger is a waste of energy, We are all going to die. We are all evolving, trying to become better people, so let it go.”
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Reply #46 posted 05/24/17 3:39am

Laydown

Will questlove be at the conference. he really knows his stuff when it comes to P?

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Reply #47 posted 05/24/17 3:45am

Laydown

MD431Madcat said:

clearly you aren't a person that's well versed in what FUNK is.

Salford / Manchester/ the stone roses / the smiths/ james/ new order/10cc/ and the Chorlton era Bee Gee's -

***(before they went to america and got produced by others to sound like a Black DISCO group)?!?!

this is Funky to you? erm... ok! lol

since Northern england is so Funky..

please name one (1) successful Original FUNK or Funky group currently active there...

one that isn't playing cover songs in pubs, weddings and various other 'functions'.

Take your time... lol lol lol

4c4160748b6fb2428193095d04d555d8.jpg

ecnirp98 said:

Happy Mondays were pretty funky and from Salford, I managed bands in Manchester in the late 80's/early 90's and allot of good music came out of Salford/MaDchester in 80's & 90's, like Joy division/the Smiths/James/New Order/Inspirals/Stone Roses. Go back abit further you have the Bee Gee's & 10CC, full of funk.

Also, Aziz Ibrahim is speaking at the conference, he played in the Stone Roses, Fools gold is one of the funkiest tracks you will ever hear.

[Edited 5/14/17 20:13pm]

Funk from England came in the form of a band known as Heatwave,Rod Temperton was in it,one very funky muso.Late 70s,80s.

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Reply #48 posted 05/24/17 4:52am

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About to leave to catch my train to the conference. I'll be dropping in with updates, also on the org Twitter account. cool

Dez talk is at 7pm tonight UK time.

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Reply #49 posted 05/24/17 11:52am

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I'll be interested in following updates from the conference...

nothing's forbidden... and nothing's taboo.
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Reply #50 posted 05/24/17 3:05pm

Dilan

Militant said:

Dilan said:

i wonder how many people will actually pay 240 for people to regurgitate what we already know

[Edited 5/21/17 8:50am]


You clearly don't understand how academia works. It's not about facts. It's about relating the importance of Prince's career, and different aspects of it, into different fields, contrasting and comparing with different cultures, movements and work.

For example, the talk:





Named after the Duchamp-referencing lyric from "I'll Do Anything", which in itself will be an obscure reference to many - how many people have thought to make an educated comparison talk and the life and work about Prince and Duchamp? How many people there will be aware of Duchamp at all ? Not many, in all likelihood - therefore an interesting, original talk.

or how about this one?



John Narayan (University of Warwick, UK)

Prince and the Racial Revolution: Walking the line between the post-racial and blackness



Yes, many have an awareness that Prince at times in his career positioned himself as a post-racial man of Uptown, a world where color didn't matter, racial ambiguity was something he deliberately played on to avoid being pigeonholed (for example, deliberately casting a white woman as his mother in Purple Rain) - and at other times in his career, Prince was proudly, fiercely, unapologetically black in how he presented his image - for example, look what the rise of hip-hop did when you compare the racial mix of The Revolution compared with the original New Power Generation - you go from Wendy, Lisa and Bobby to Sonny, Michael, Tony, Levi, etc.

But who in academia has explored in an intelligent, analytical and studious method how Prince walked on both sides of this line at different points in his career? That sounds like an absolutely fascinating talk.

There are talks on gender, identity, poetry, sound construction, liberation, fandom, performance, Hollywood, technology - all by people who literally study these things as a lifelong career. People from institutions as esteemed as Harvard and Stanford. In short, some of the most educated and intelligent people in the world.

If your understanding of this event is of people standing up regurgitating things you already know, then you have managed to spectacularly miss the point.




but its not worth £240 to receive information about how Prince was unapologetically black and an a contrast between an unreleased song

[Edited 5/24/17 15:09pm]

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
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Reply #51 posted 05/24/17 4:34pm

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Dilan said:

Militant said:



Yes, many have an awareness that Prince at times in his career positioned himself as a post-racial man of Uptown, a world where color didn't matter, racial ambiguity was something he deliberately played on to avoid being pigeonholed (for example, deliberately casting a white woman as his mother in Purple Rain) - and at other times in his career, Prince was proudly, fiercely, unapologetically black in how he presented his image - for example, look what the rise of hip-hop did when you compare the racial mix of The Revolution compared with the original New Power Generation - you go from Wendy, Lisa and Bobby to Sonny, Michael, Tony, Levi, etc.

But who in academia has explored in an intelligent, analytical and studious method how Prince walked on both sides of this line at different points in his career? That sounds like an absolutely fascinating talk.

There are talks on gender, identity, poetry, sound construction, liberation, fandom, performance, Hollywood, technology - all by people who literally study these things as a lifelong career. People from institutions as esteemed as Harvard and Stanford. In short, some of the most educated and intelligent people in the world.

If your understanding of this event is of people standing up regurgitating things you already know, then you have managed to spectacularly miss the point.




but its not worth £240 to receive information about how Prince was unapologetically black and an a contrast between an unreleased song

[Edited 5/24/17 15:09pm]

For a lot of People Hearing Prince being discussed honoured by the Intellectuals of our world who are for the large part without hyperbole is actually Priceless..

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Reply #52 posted 05/25/17 2:11am

PURPLEIZED3121

Militant said:

About to leave to catch my train to the conference. I'll be dropping in with updates, also on the org Twitter account. cool

Dez talk is at 7pm tonight UK time.

looking forward to your reports from last night with Dez...cant believe he actually played guitar!!

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