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Thread started 05/14/17 6:23pm

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Brown Mark says Apollonia told him Prince was vey ill

Interesting. I wonder if Prince said something to Apples or just made that deduction after she last saw him. I thought the last time she was at Paisley was 2014. But she did see him during the P&M shows in Oakland.

http://www.mcall.com/ente...story.html

I hate to ask this: Did either of you have indication about his health difficulties or the pain that he was having? Did you know about that?

MARK: “Well, me and Apolonia talk frequently, and she had been out there, I believe a month and a half or two before his death, and she told me, ‘He is very ill.’”

Mmmm.

MARK: “And I remember, and it was, like, ‘I’d been noticing when I see him in the tabloids, you know he’s looking a little frail. And she said, ‘No, he’s definitely, he’s sick, Mark.’

“So that’s about how much I knew about it. But he was very good at keeping things under hush – keeping things under secret. ‘Cause I know Larry Graham, everybody for a long time was pointing fingers – you know, ‘How could you be that close to him and not know.’

“He was very good at keeping things …

FINK: “To himself. Even with close friends around – even people who felt close to him.

“But just same thing as Mark for me – just seeing photos of him around that time frame – the last, maybe, three or four months leading to him passing, I thought he didn’t look well. And I said that to my wife, and my wife and I both said that to each other: ‘Wow, he’s just not his old self there at all. I wonder what’s going on.’

“But I was kind of aware through some people that he needed to take some pain medication for hip issues and things like that. But that was about it – that’s all I knew. That was more common knowledge anyway amongst people around him, so …”

MARK: “And I remember he said something to me. He said, the last time I had gone out there, he had flown me into Minneapolis, and he said, ‘So,’ he says, ‘where’s your guitar?’ And I remember I looked at him and I said, ‘Where’s my guitar?’ And he kind of just looked at me and I said, ‘Uh, I play bass. I don’t play guitar. How would I bring my guitar?’

“He says, [slowly] ‘Oh, oh, so – Oh, well we need somebody to play guitar.’

“I knew right then something was different. Something was going on, you know, with the mind and the consciousness, because, you know, why would he look at me and ask where was my guitar? When he clearly knows I’m the bass player, you know.

“So that was very odd for me, and that was my first sign that something was different, something was going on. But I just didn’t put the pieces together.”
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Reply #1 posted 05/14/17 6:52pm

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Reply #2 posted 05/14/17 7:01pm

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Welp (handclaps Dansa)..there it is.

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Reply #3 posted 05/14/17 7:29pm

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Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? Just wondering how possilbe that could be. I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.

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Reply #4 posted 05/14/17 7:33pm

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twinnies said:

Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? .... I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.


Ignorant.

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Reply #5 posted 05/14/17 7:34pm

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twinnies said:

Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? Just wondering how possilbe that could be. I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.




Not aids
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Reply #6 posted 05/14/17 7:35pm

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rdhull said:

twinnies said:

Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? Just wondering how possilbe that could be. I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.

Not aids


Thank you.

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Reply #7 posted 05/14/17 7:35pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



rdhull said:


twinnies said:

Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? Just wondering how possilbe that could be. I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.




Not aids


Thank you.




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Reply #8 posted 05/14/17 8:02pm

ForceofNature

Addiction is an illness. I haven't seen any evidence beyond it being deteriorating health because of drug depedency with the added unfortunate bonus of fentanyl causing a very premature end to it all/. Not that any of us know, but thats my guess. I don't think he had aids or anything like that

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Reply #9 posted 05/14/17 8:17pm

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I don't believe some people truly understand what happens to people who are in the grips of an addiction. It is an illness. It can cause you to lose weight. It can lead to other complications. You can die from it. So many keep trying to come up with other reasons for his poor health/death and I don't understand why. confused
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Reply #10 posted 05/14/17 8:24pm

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twinnies said:

Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? Just wondering how possilbe that could be. I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.



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Reply #11 posted 05/14/17 8:26pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

twinnies said:

Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? .... I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.


Ignorant.

It's not ignorant to ask a question, especially since there was speculation at the time of his death that he may have had AIDS. He may have also had some type of cancer. Prince's appearance changed a lot the last couple of years of his life. Whats unclear is why he was taiking pain medications. People just assume it was hip and joint pain.

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Reply #12 posted 05/14/17 8:35pm

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Thank you 4 This. cool

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Reply #13 posted 05/14/17 8:36pm

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ya, but you forgot where you were, most of the people here think they are smarter than everyone else and know more and anything that doesn't fit into their view is imbecilic. don't worry about it. I don't think the aids theory, or the cancer theory or even possibly the depression/mental illness theories are outside of the bounds of possiblility, hell, i don't even think murder is outside of the realm of possibility, although I don't think it's likely. Just because prince died of an od people think it's just that simple, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. People who have other problems with their health sometimes have other ways they die because, well, health is holistic, that means if one thing goes wrong it effects everything. I was just reading up on larry flynnt and found it interesting that his girlfriend, althea, died of not just an od but she also drowned when she passed out and she had full blown aids, if she was like prince her death would have went "oh she o'd" or if they really looked closer "she od'd and drowned". Aids wouldn't necessarily get a mention but Larry flynnt himself said that she wouldn't have lived another year due to aids.

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Reply #14 posted 05/14/17 8:39pm

TrivialPursuit

derrick31 said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Ignorant.

It's not ignorant to ask a question, especially since there was speculation at the time of his death that he may have had AIDS. He may have also had some type of cancer. Prince's appearance changed a lot the last couple of years of his life. Whats unclear is why he was taiking pain medications. People just assume it was hip and joint pain.


The ignorance about AIDS and HIV is rampant on this forum.

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Reply #15 posted 05/14/17 8:42pm

PeteSilas

the only thing interesting in the interview, or rather, new is what Brown says about him being forgetful, that's pretty unusual for Prince. Maybe it was sleep deprivation, Bruce Lee was working himself into the grave at the end of his life he too was repeatedly telling people stories and forgetting he said something already. In Bruce's case, i believe it was his obsessive, insane drive to prove to hollywood that he was a star, stories go that he was showing off a pic of his rolls royce and forgetting that he already showed a person the pic. Just silly, shallow and superficial yet it had a factor in his death. How many people ruin their health, their bodies trying to live up to societies bullshit in some way?

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Reply #16 posted 05/14/17 8:44pm

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derrick31 said:



TrivialPursuit said:




twinnies said:


Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? .... I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.





Ignorant.



It's not ignorant to ask a question, especially since there was speculation at the time of his death that he may have had AIDS. He may have also had some type of cancer. Prince's appearance changed a lot the last couple of years of his life. Whats unclear is why he was taiking pain medications. People just assume it was hip and joint pain.


I don't see how Prince's appearance changed a lot in the last year's.he always looked great.Maybe there's a bad picture of him that I haven't seen?
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Reply #17 posted 05/14/17 8:45pm

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You sure enjoy inserting Bruce Lee death info into Prince death discussions! lol

PeteSilas said:

the only thing interesting in the interview, or rather, new is what Brown says about him being forgetful, that's pretty unusual for Prince. Maybe it was sleep deprivation, Bruce Lee was working himself into the grave at the end of his life he too was repeatedly telling people stories and forgetting he said something already. In Bruce's case, i believe it was his obsessive, insane drive to prove to hollywood that he was a star, stories go that he was showing off a pic of his rolls royce and forgetting that he already showed a person the pic. Just silly, shallow and superficial yet it had a factor in his death. How many people ruin their health, their bodies trying to live up to societies bullshit in some way?

"holding grudges and anger is a waste of energy, We are all going to die. We are all evolving, trying to become better people, so let it go.”
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Reply #18 posted 05/14/17 8:49pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

derrick31 said:

It's not ignorant to ask a question, especially since there was speculation at the time of his death that he may have had AIDS. He may have also had some type of cancer. Prince's appearance changed a lot the last couple of years of his life. Whats unclear is why he was taiking pain medications. People just assume it was hip and joint pain.


The ignorance about AIDS and HIV is rampant on this forum.

I would say what's even more rampant in this forum is the arrogance, snarkiness, and condescension of some of its posters.

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Reply #19 posted 05/14/17 8:49pm

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Maybe he was vey ill. Or he was in intractable pain. I think it falls under the guidelines of patient confidentiality - maybe it's time to leave it alone, let him rest in peace & be thankful for his existence.

He didn't seem like the kind of person who would want endless speculation over the cause of his death,

even when it originates from love. sad

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Reply #20 posted 05/14/17 8:51pm

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Namelessfan said:

- maybe it's time to leave it alone, let him rest in peace & be thankful for his existence.

Its been time, but what are ya gonna do?

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Reply #21 posted 05/14/17 8:52pm

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dance4me3121 said:

derrick31 said:

It's not ignorant to ask a question, especially since there was speculation at the time of his death that he may have had AIDS. He may have also had some type of cancer. Prince's appearance changed a lot the last couple of years of his life. Whats unclear is why he was taiking pain medications. People just assume it was hip and joint pain.

I don't see how Prince's appearance changed a lot in the last year's.he always looked great.Maybe there's a bad picture of him that I haven't seen?

"holding grudges and anger is a waste of energy, We are all going to die. We are all evolving, trying to become better people, so let it go.”
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Reply #22 posted 05/14/17 9:00pm

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twinnies said:

Do you suppose Prince had AIDS? Just wondering how possilbe that could be. I think something was definitely wrong with him other than his addiction to painkillers. Just my opinion.

No, these AIDS rumors are nonsense. He was addicted to painkillers.

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Reply #23 posted 05/14/17 9:05pm

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eek dance4me3121 said:

I don't see how Prince's appearance changed a lot in the last year's.he always looked great.Maybe there's a bad picture of him that I haven't seen?

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TrivialPursuit said:

derrick31 said:

It's not ignorant to ask a question, especially since there was speculation at the time of his death that he may have had AIDS. He may have also had some type of cancer. Prince's appearance changed a lot the last couple of years of his life. Whats unclear is why he was taiking pain medications. People just assume it was hip and joint pain.


The ignorance about AIDS and HIV is rampant on this forum.

Yep, HIV is treatable now and not a death sentence. You can't cure it, but you certainly can quell it. you can get back to normal appearance and health. Which is why media/news of people withering away from it are not really around anymore (unless they are poor and can't get or don't get any treatment).

I personally know someone that had full blown AIDS and had whithered away to the deathbed, but then these treatments developed, and he's back to normal now and working.

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Reply #25 posted 05/14/17 9:14pm

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There it is, clearly from Brownmark:
"I knew right then something was different. Something was going on, you know, with the mind and the consciousness,..."
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Remember, when Apples and Jill Jones saw him in Oakland, they supported that he was "on something".
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But he was 57 and along with the natural hair, I believe he had let go of some of the little things he had always done to preserve a youthful look.
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Reply #26 posted 05/14/17 10:02pm

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MD431Madcat said:

You sure enjoy inserting Bruce Lee death info into Prince death discussions! lol

PeteSilas said:

the only thing interesting in the interview, or rather, new is what Brown says about him being forgetful, that's pretty unusual for Prince. Maybe it was sleep deprivation, Bruce Lee was working himself into the grave at the end of his life he too was repeatedly telling people stories and forgetting he said something already. In Bruce's case, i believe it was his obsessive, insane drive to prove to hollywood that he was a star, stories go that he was showing off a pic of his rolls royce and forgetting that he already showed a person the pic. Just silly, shallow and superficial yet it had a factor in his death. How many people ruin their health, their bodies trying to live up to societies bullshit in some way?

well i do see similarities in terms of how they tried to lie about things, same with elvis. anyone famous really, it's hard to tell how much is real in the info we get.

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Reply #27 posted 05/14/17 10:05pm

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PeteSilas said:

the only thing interesting in the interview, or rather, new is what Brown says about him being forgetful, that's pretty unusual for Prince. Maybe it was sleep deprivation, Bruce Lee was working himself into the grave at the end of his life he too was repeatedly telling people stories and forgetting he said something already. In Bruce's case, i believe it was his obsessive, insane drive to prove to hollywood that he was a star, stories go that he was showing off a pic of his rolls royce and forgetting that he already showed a person the pic. Just silly, shallow and superficial yet it had a factor in his death. How many people ruin their health, their bodies trying to live up to societies bullshit in some way?

I could not agree more. That is the headline. This is the first report of any such memory lapse for Prince...and I think it's a significant one. For Prince to forget that BrownMark was a bassist was not just a sign that things were "different." That was a sign that something was VERY, VERY wrong. Also, perhaps I missed it, but the interview does not specify when this meeting took place. Or, does it?

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Reply #28 posted 05/14/17 10:08pm

TrivialPursuit

ufoclub said:

Yep, HIV is treatable now and not a death sentence.

I personally know someone that had full blown AIDS and had whithered away to the deathbed, but then these treatments developed, and he's back to normal now and working.


Thank you for saying that.

It's like the default go-to sick disease because people think that still in 2017 people are dying off like it was 1984 when there was no real treatment. It's such an ignorant stigma to attach to something. It'd be no better if someone said "Oh they must be black" if someone hears about a wrong-doer or someone that killed someone else. HIV & AIDS research has come so far, especially in recent years, that I think they'll find a cure in another 10 years. Hell, they cured Hep C!

I have friends with HIV, undetectable viral loads, and as healthy as any gym bunny. For anyone, in 2017, to say "he must have had AIDS" is a foolish statement. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge (opposed to just being stupid as fuck), so get some knowledge.

And PS (edit): When people refer to their HIV test as "Clean", it's incredibly insulting to those with HIV too, as if having HIV is a dirty thing, or makes someone dirty. I wish gays would change their language on that, too.

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Reply #29 posted 05/14/17 10:23pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

ufoclub said:

Yep, HIV is treatable now and not a death sentence.

I personally know someone that had full blown AIDS and had whithered away to the deathbed, but then these treatments developed, and he's back to normal now and working.


Thank you for saying that.

It's like the default go-to sick disease because people think that still in 2017 people are dying off like it was 1984 when there was no real treatment. It's such an ignorant stigma to attach to something. It'd be no better if someone said "Oh they must be black" if someone hears about a wrong-doer or someone that killed someone else. HIV & AIDS research has come so far, especially in recent years, that I think they'll find a cure in another 10 years. Hell, they cured Hep C!

I have friends with HIV, undetectable viral loads, and as healthy as any gym bunny. For anyone, in 2017, to say "he must have had AIDS" is a foolish statement. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge (opposed to just being stupid as fuck), so get some knowledge.

And PS (edit): When people refer to their HIV test as "Clean", it's incredibly insulting to those with HIV too, as if having HIV is a dirty thing, or makes someone dirty. I wish gays would change their language on that, too.

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it's not a death sentence anymore but people do do stupid shit, tommy morrison, heavyweight boxer wanted to pretend that hiv was a myth cooked up by some scientist and he spent the last year of his life bedridden, now that's some stubborneess for you.

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