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Thread started 07/18/17 9:47pm

ForeverPaisley

Would Purple Rain have been as successful if it were released today?

Just curious what other thought. If Purple Rain, with it's same soundtrack, were released today?

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Reply #1 posted 07/19/17 8:28am

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No, it would still get good reviews probably, but people were more open to different musical styles then
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Reply #2 posted 07/19/17 8:48am

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It is hard to know. Part of the appeal was Prince being in the movie, because he was a popular musician at that time. I think that the aggression/violence toward women would be less acceptable, particularly the guys putting the woman in the dumpster. The fighting between the parents is disturbing, but it is an important part of the storyline of PR the film. I wonder if the scene where Prince hits Apollonia [edited] would still occur if the film were released in 2017.
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Reply #3 posted 07/19/17 9:43am

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NO!!!

NO!!!

NO!!!

no more PR or Thrillers

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Reply #4 posted 07/19/17 10:09am

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206Michelle said:

It is hard to know. Part of the appeal was Prince being in the movie, because he was a popular musician at that time. I think that the aggression/violence toward women would be less acceptable, particularly the guys putting the woman in the dumpster. The fighting between the parents is disturbing, but it is an important part of the storyline of PR the film. I wonder if the scene where Prince hits Apollonian would still occur if the film were released in 2017.


Appollonian!? Haha, but that's a thought too, if it came out today, if Prince's love interest in the film was another guy. Sure would be interesting lol. Would definitely be ... dun dun dun... Controversy...
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Reply #5 posted 07/19/17 10:39am

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206Michelle said:
It is hard to know. Part of the appeal was Prince being in the movie, because he was a popular musician at that time. I think that the aggression/violence toward women would be less acceptable, particularly the guys putting the woman in the dumpster. The fighting between the parents is disturbing, but it is an important part of the storyline of PR the film. I wonder if the scene where Prince hits Apollonian would still occur if the film were released in 2017.
Appollonian!? Haha, but that's a thought too, if it came out today, if Prince's love interest in the film was another guy. Sure would be interesting lol. Would definitely be ... dun dun dun... Controversy... [Edited 7/19/17 10:12am]

My bad, I misspelled, thanks to the auto-correct on my phone. I definitely meant to write Appollonia.

[Edited 7/19/17 10:41am]

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Reply #6 posted 07/19/17 1:15pm

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Purple Rain would be about as welcome as Eddie Murphy Delirious. The PC police would be out in full force. The album would be overshadowed by the crushing he would take over the movie. It would probably end his career. Funny enough if he did release it now Around the world in a day would probably be the perfect follow up after the boycotting that would have happened.
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Reply #7 posted 07/19/17 1:25pm

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Yes- because a young Prince would have been on the cutting edge of what was going on and created a masterpiece. In other words you can't move 30 years in the future and say would that album work today. Makes no sense.

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Reply #8 posted 07/19/17 2:29pm

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The film went pretty well about ten years ago when it was released as 8 Mile.

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Reply #9 posted 07/20/17 8:25pm

ForeverPaisley

MD431Madcat said:

NO!!!

NO!!!

NO!!!

no more PR or Thrillers

I wasn't meaning a remake, I mean the exact version that we love, being release for the FIRST time in 2017, how it would be received with the public/movie goers/music lovers?

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Reply #10 posted 07/20/17 8:31pm

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206Michelle said:

It is hard to know. Part of the appeal was Prince being in the movie, because he was a popular musician at that time. I think that the aggression/violence toward women would be less acceptable, particularly the guys putting the woman in the dumpster. The fighting between the parents is disturbing, but it is an important part of the storyline of PR the film. I wonder if the scene where Prince hits Apollonia [edited] would still occur if the film were released in 2017. [Edited 7/19/17 10:40am]

You do make great points about the aggression/violence toward women, I feel like nowadays would have way more backlash/protests. I find it hard to envision how the 84 hit film/soundtrack would be received, AS an 80s movie in 2017. Same with Grease for example. But part of me thinks they would be as popular because we really don't have many of those kinds of films out, and the music alone would make them hits. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking smile

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Reply #11 posted 07/20/17 8:38pm

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The film went pretty well about ten years ago when it was released as 8 Mile.

nod Great point. wink This is my perspective, that it PR would still be successful due to there NOT being many movies like it out there. Even despite backlash. Which I imagine would just fall into the 'bad publicity is still publicity' box.

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Reply #12 posted 07/20/17 8:40pm

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No, it would still get good reviews probably, but people were more open to different musical styles then

I agree there were more diverse music styles back in the day.

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Reply #13 posted 07/20/17 8:48pm

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206Michelle said:
It is hard to know. Part of the appeal was Prince being in the movie, because he was a popular musician at that time. I think that the aggression/violence toward women would be less acceptable, particularly the guys putting the woman in the dumpster. The fighting between the parents is disturbing, but it is an important part of the storyline of PR the film. I wonder if the scene where Prince hits Apollonian would still occur if the film were released in 2017.
Appollonian!? Haha, but that's a thought too, if it came out today, if Prince's love interest in the film was another guy. Sure would be interesting lol. Would definitely be ... dun dun dun... Controversy... [Edited 7/19/17 10:12am]

That's an interesting thought. hmmm

Purple Rain was daring back in the day, right? Would it be that way now in it's current version (despite the awesome music wink?

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Reply #14 posted 07/20/17 9:11pm

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No, the sound would not work with pop music today. It could have been an acclaimed indie album though.

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Reply #15 posted 07/20/17 11:52pm

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Of course, because Purple Rain has real musicians in it.

An indie album. Tsk.

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Reply #16 posted 07/21/17 1:14am

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No.
Why? The landscape of popular music has changed, the music industry has changed, and society as a whole has changed drastically since then.
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Reply #17 posted 07/21/17 5:53am

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ChanGirl said:

Of course, because Purple Rain has real musicians in it.



An indie album. Tsk.


Do you even know what music sounds like today? Purple Rain would NOT fit in and would not be successful.
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Reply #18 posted 07/21/17 6:08am

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Is the album still highly regarded today? Is it considered one of the greats like Rumors or Sgt Peppers? Yes and yes. That’s all that matters to me.
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Reply #19 posted 07/21/17 6:50am

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It is very unique futuristic music. I think it would. Today it would still stand out in a big way.

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Reply #20 posted 07/21/17 7:20am

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Yes. Good albums transcend time. PR will still be listened to by the masses in 2000 years time

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Reply #21 posted 07/21/17 7:21am

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sfinky1 said:

No. Why? The landscape of popular music has changed, the music industry has changed, and society as a whole has changed drastically since then. Every occurrence in life is fixed in time and that's part of what makes it what it is - it can't be moved backward or forward in time otherwise it wouldn't be the same thing - this is why time travel is technically impossible IMO.

This. It's hard to even comprehend, because if the album was hypothetically released today, then what filled its space in the 80's? How did the evolution of music differ from 1984 to now? Would Prince be a 26 year old releasing it in 2017, or in his 50's as he would be in our current timeline? Would the production of the album differ to reflect the sounds and production styles of today, or sound exactly the same as the version we know?

There are far too many variables to come up with a satisfying answer, but let's just say that Purple Rain as we know it was released for the very first time in 2017 and Prince wasn't already an established star: the album might blow up online and become a favorite on music sites & blogs. Indie/underground music lovers will hype it up and it will get a bit of crossover success from online promotion, but would never cross over into dominating the charts or becoming a cultural phenomeon like it did in the 80's. I'm thinking it would see the kind of success that recent albums by the likes of St. Vincent, Thundercat, maybe even Frank Ocean have seen.

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Reply #22 posted 07/21/17 8:13am

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mbdtyler said:

sfinky1 said:

No. Why? The landscape of popular music has changed, the music industry has changed, and society as a whole has changed drastically since then. Every occurrence in life is fixed in time and that's part of what makes it what it is - it can't be moved backward or forward in time otherwise it wouldn't be the same thing - this is why time travel is technically impossible IMO.

This. It's hard to even comprehend, because if the album was hypothetically released today, then what filled its space in the 80's? How did the evolution of music differ from 1984 to now? Would Prince be a 26 year old releasing it in 2017, or in his 50's as he would be in our current timeline? Would the production of the album differ to reflect the sounds and production styles of today, or sound exactly the same as the version we know?

There are far too many variables to come up with a satisfying answer, but let's just say that Purple Rain as we know it was released for the very first time in 2017 and Prince wasn't already an established star: the album might blow up online and become a favorite on music sites & blogs. Indie/underground music lovers will hype it up and it will get a bit of crossover success from online promotion, but would never cross over into dominating the charts or becoming a cultural phenomeon like it did in the 80's. I'm thinking it would see the kind of success that recent albums by the likes of St. Vincent, Thundercat, maybe even Frank Ocean have seen.

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Reply #23 posted 07/21/17 9:27am

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Of course, because Purple Rain has real musicians in it.

An indie album. Tsk.

Do you even know what music sounds like today? Purple Rain would NOT fit in and would not be successful.

So condescending, child. Good thing Prince isn't here to read your opinion, but then again he'd ignore it. I wonder if you can tell the difference between autotune and real music.

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Reply #24 posted 07/21/17 10:20am

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ForeverPaisley said:

coldasice said:

No, it would still get good reviews probably, but people were more open to different musical styles then

I agree there were more diverse music styles back in the day.

If there was more diversity in what was offered, it was my experience that people were not even close to being more open to different musical styles in the early to mid 80s. Music listening was very segregated back then. I knew of no classic rockers who were spinning wgci (premiere black radio from Chicago). These days, I hear more people than ever saying that they "listen to everything."

To answer the question asked by op, no, unless we could also fantasize the pre-boil of Prince's popularity that had been brewing the years leading up to PR's release. Musically, hell yea the soundtrack would have been accepted just as it was back then because good music doesn't give a fuck about what's popular at the time. Fuck, I remember when the Black Crowes came on the scene doing an old school rock sound. They blew up because they were the antithesis of what was popular at the time, making their old take sound funky fresh. Same with Nirvana.


The film as presented to the public, I agree, would have been a different edit. From the degradation to Morris saying "ya long haired faggot!" We would have seen cuts.

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Reply #25 posted 07/21/17 10:21am

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the movie?...of course it would...Prince is/was the most visually magnetic, and compelling, and thought provoking, singular musical performer, to ever take the stage, or arena, or screen...that type of of appeal is timeless and translates to any era...
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Reply #26 posted 07/21/17 12:47pm

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Stylistically, I think 1999 would fare best today. Even Parade (especially when considering D'Angelo's general success on the last album) and SOTT I believe would have more success than PR. Neither of those albums sound (for the most part) as fixed in the 80s. With some updated production, something like Forever in my life I believe would have potential to chart... Even Around the World in a Day, given the more Retro sensibilities that have intermittently dominated, perhaps if She's always in my hair was replaced for Temptation, or some alt track listing, would have a more endearing sound.
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Reply #27 posted 07/21/17 3:23pm

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ChanGirl said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

ChanGirl said: Do you even know what music sounds like today? Purple Rain would NOT fit in and would not be successful.

So condescending, child. Good thing Prince isn't here to read your opinion, but then again he'd ignore it. I wonder if you can tell the difference between autotune and real music.

*calls me condescending, then attempts to disparage me by calling me a child*

Ignoring the hypocrisy of your very first sentence (lol), I will assume that Prince, who was one of the most famous and critically acclaimed artists of his time, would not be upset by the assertion that his mega-successful critical magnum opus would not be timely over 25 years later, when the sound of popular music has changed so completely that it would sound almost alien to someone plucked out of 1984. The fact that you've taken such a defensive and passionate stance indicates that you are much too invested in a very trivial (and purely hypothetical) matter. Take a chill pill, and maybe a breather sometime. wink

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Reply #28 posted 07/21/17 5:13pm

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robertgeorge said:

The film went pretty well about ten years ago when it was released as 8 Mile.


lol
This is very true, lol. I happened to catch 8 mile on tv late at night recently and thought 'wow this owes a lot to purple rain.'
One big difference I did feel though is that PR was so strongly music driven, there is literally a live music performance or song being played every couple minutes. 8 mile on the other hand didn't have much actual music in it..? And the 2 or 3 scenes of 'performance' are just people spitting insults at each other over and over while a drum loop plays..The other 2 hours was all just really grim, serious acting depicting how poor and depressing eminem's life is while he has the same one expression on his face thru the whole movie... I dunno maybe I'm showing my age but I just couldn't musically find much to enjoy about it and thought it was pretty bad..

Anyway if a PR style film were to be released today for millennials it would be a completely different film. The kid would need to be a DJ or gamer who plays guitar hero or something and isn't getting enough viewers on his YouTube channel so it's looking like it will close down cuz he also doesn't have enough money etc etc meanwhile his rival has a hit YouTube channel Etc love interest girl comes along who drifts between the two, in the end she helps the kid keep his channel going, his video goes viral, "whoopee I'm famous!" the end.
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