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Menes

Search warrants (facts and tidbits) - Part II

The previous thread may have expired due to its length.

It seems that the previous thread took a turn down into the "Prince had cancer" rabbit hole, so we shall explore a bit.

The claim that Prince had cancer is not new , nor can it be confirmed by any medical analysis provided by competent individuals that made such a diagnosis. It is not without reason that there may have been some pain involved based upon the narcotics found ,but even that is merely an educated guess.

1. If we look at the assortment of pills found @ Paisley Park ( per the warrant) there is a significant clue that may be overlooked when scanning through the reports. That clue is the balance and counter balance between opioid narcotics /and counter pills for withdrawals.

2. Our first example is the elephant in the room, ( Ondansetron). If you believe that Prince had cancer you would point to this as the smoking gun of narcotics to support such an opinion. However, that would mean that you believe that Prince was receiving some form of chemotherapy/radiation therapy at certain times prior to his death. You're going to have to reconcile that with a host of issues. I'll leave that point open for discussion because it is very clear to me that this is not an opinion I share.

3. If we did some real digging and research, we would easily ascertain that this same drug (Ondansetron), is unique in treating opioid withdrawal. Specifically, withdrawals that are accompanied by nausea and vomiting which is extremely common within the first instances of withdrawal.

4. There is also the fact that (Ondansetron) acts as an appetite suppressor. I won't bore you with the facts but perhaps you will understand/research the gene affected , hence acting as a modifying suppressant.

5. Now, there is a drug that is used in combination with (Zofran) that aids in suppressing withdrawals from opioid addiction, and yes, you guessed it, it was there in the warrant.

6. If you look at the warrant , you will see that the bottle that contained Ondansetron, was placed in Kirk Johnson's name. In essence he had to go pick this drug up at a particular pharmacy. If you believe that to be true, one could state that Kirk was the one with cancer or the addiction . Neither of these statements would be true, so why would that drug be placed in his name? Is this the only drug in the warrant that acts as a counter balance to the opiates found? Worth exploring?

7. Last, ( concerning Prince and cancer) for those of you who have pinpointed the cancer to be ("Pancreatic Cancer /stage 435 or whatever it may be") we should examine what sort of opiates were found and whether or not you believe this is a consistent treatment for "stage 435 Pancreatic Cancer", or whether the balance / counter balance of pills found were just someone dealing with addiction. It is pretty clear if you just used the information in the warrants and that only.

On to the hip:

There is some evidence that Prince may have had surgery for his hip. Whether it was hip surgery or hip replacement surgery may never be known, but there seems to have been something done around 2008 or so.

1. Pursuant to the surgery , post-op prescription opioids would have been dispensed as is customary.

2. It is apparent that the surgery did not take place in Minnesota as there are no records of him receiving one pill in the system. It may have been done in another state.

3. If we are to believe that he had this surgery, and we are to believe that there was an ongoing opioid addiction, this is more than likely where it would stem from. Eight(8) years is really not a long time when dealing with addiction.

4. If the hip was in that bad of shape, and you continued to work is such fashion, provoking pain was inevitable. If you wore four (4) inch heels and stood on your feet for hours pursuant to "hip surgery", one should have no fantasies about the outcome. In essence, reinjuring the hip was the sacrifice it would require to perform, which in turn ,constitutes long term use of pain killers.

5. That begs the question, if you simply wanted to treat long term pain that was a result of hip surgery , why would there be a need to go to such extravagant lengths to acquire illicit drugs? Prince is not a stupid person. My guess is that procuring prescribed substances required too many things that was of concern to him . What's my point here? If you had hip surgery at one point, you had access to prescribed pain killers at that point. If you want to keep using the pain kilers but don't want to deal with all the regulatory limitations that comes with, you will find other sources.

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).


[Edited 1/2/18 17:22pm]

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Reply #1 posted 01/02/18 5:19pm

TrivialPursuit

Fucking stop.

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Reply #2 posted 01/02/18 5:27pm

Menes

TrivialPursuit said:

Fucking stop.

I'm assuming you were not forced to read this thread? As an aside, you do know that there are other threads you can freely particpate in so that you don't blow your lid off in this one?

[Edited 1/2/18 17:27pm]

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Reply #3 posted 01/02/18 5:36pm

ThatWhiteDude

TrivialPursuit said:

Fucking stop.

Wow, take a breath, you're not forced to read this thread.

Thanks Menes for opening a second one, the first one got way over board.

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Reply #4 posted 01/02/18 5:40pm

ThatWhiteDude

Menes said:

The previous thread may have expired due to its length.

It seems that the previous thread took a turn down into the "Prince had cancer" rabbit hole, so we shall explore a bit.

The claim that Prince had cancer is not new , nor can it be confirmed by any medical analysis provided by competent individuals that made such a diagnosis. It is not without reason that there may have been some pain involved based upon the narcotics found ,but even that is merely an educated guess.

1. If we look at the assortment of pills found @ Paisley Park ( per the warrant) there is a significant clue that may be overlooked when scanning through the reports. That clue is the balance and counter balance between opioid narcotics /and counter pills for withdrawals.

2. Our first example is the elephant in the room, ( Ondansetron). If you believe that Prince had cancer you would point to this as the smoking gun of narcotics to support such an opinion. However, that would mean that you believe that Prince was receiving some form of chemotherapy/radiation therapy at certain times prior to his death. You're going to have to reconcile that with a host of issues. I'll leave that point open for discussion because it is very clear to me that this is not an opinion I share.

3. If we did some real digging and research, we would easily ascertain that this same drug (Ondansetron), is unique in treating opioid withdrawal. Specifically, withdrawals that are accompanied by nausea and vomiting which is extremely common within the first instances of withdrawal.

4. There is also the fact that (Ondansetron) acts as an appetite suppressor. I won't bore you with the facts but perhaps you will understand/research the gene affected , hence acting as a modifying suppressant.

5. Now, there is a drug that is used in combination with (Zofran) that aids in suppressing withdrawals from opioid addiction, and yes, you guessed it, it was there in the warrant.

6. If you look at the warrant , you will see that the bottle that contained Ondansetron, was placed in Kirk Johnson's name. In essence he had to go pick this drug up at a particular pharmacy. If you believe that to be true, one could state that Kirk was the one with cancer or the addiction . Neither of these statements would be true, so why would that drug be placed in his name? Is this the only drug in the warrant that acts as a counter balance to the opiates found? Worth exploring?

7. Last, ( concerning Prince and cancer) for those of you who have pinpointed the cancer to be ("Pancreatic Cancer /stage 435 or whatever it may be") we should examine what sort of opiates were found and whether or not you believe this is a consistent treatment for "stage 435 Pancreatic Cancer", or whether the balance / counter balance of pills found were just someone dealing with addiction. It is pretty clear if you just used the information in the warrants and that only.

On to the hip:

There is some evidence that Prince may have had surgery for his hip. Whether it was hip surgery or hip replacement surgery may never be known, but there seems to have been something done around 2008 or so.

1. Pursuant to the surgery , post-op prescription opioids would have been dispensed as is customary.

2. It is apparent that the surgery did not take place in Minnesota as there are no records of him receiving one pill in the system. It may have been done in another state.

3. If we are to believe that he had this surgery, and we are to believe that there was an ongoing opioid addiction, this is more than likely where it would stem from. Eight(8) years is really not a long time when dealing with addiction.

4. If the hip was in that bad of shape, and you continued to work is such fashion, provoking pain was inevitable. If you wore four (4) inch heels and stood on your feet for hours pursuant to "hip surgery", one should have no fantasies about the outcome. In essence, reinjuring the hip was the sacrifice it would require to perform, which in turn ,constitutes long term use of pain killers.

5. That begs the question, if you simply wanted to treat long term pain that was a result of hip surgery , why would there be a need to go to such extravagant lengths to acquire illicit drugs? Prince is not a stupid person. My guess is that procuring prescribed substances required too many things that was of concern to him . What's my point here? If you had hip surgery at one point, you had access to prescribed pain killers at that point. If you want to keep using the pain kilers but don't want to deal with all the regulatory limitations that comes with, you will find other sources.

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).


[Edited 1/2/18 17:22pm]

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Reply #5 posted 01/02/18 6:01pm

Menes

ThatWhiteDude said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Fucking stop.

Wow, take a breath, you're not forced to read this thread.

Thanks Menes for opening a second one, the first one got way over board.

Oh yeah, it was very long.

I do want to make one glaring thing clear. I am not saying Prince wasn't in pain because of something . The mystery of why Dr.S was bringing him copies of test that morning is quite tantalizing and could be anything. Of course, I had to go and look into why you would need a battery of test prior to starting withdrawal treatments unless it would've compromised a pre-existing condition.

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Reply #6 posted 01/02/18 6:03pm

morningsong

Oh, I'll be back but I had to stop on #6


6. If you look at the warrant , you will see that the bottle that contained Ondansetron, was placed in Kirk Johnson's name. In essence he had to go pick this drug up at a particular pharmacy. If you believe that to be true, one could state that Kirk was the one with cancer or the addiction . Neither of these statements would be true, so why would that drug be placed in his name? Is this the only drug in the warrant that acts as a counter balance to the opiates found? Worth exploring?




Um, where do you have empirical evidence for such a statement?

I mean it is your thread and you can do with it as you will but if one is going to curb others injections of speculations then shouldn't you curb your own.

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Reply #7 posted 01/02/18 6:16pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Oh, I'll be back but I had to stop on #6


6. If you look at the warrant , you will see that the bottle that contained Ondansetron, was placed in Kirk Johnson's name. In essence he had to go pick this drug up at a particular pharmacy. If you believe that to be true, one could state that Kirk was the one with cancer or the addiction . Neither of these statements would be true, so why would that drug be placed in his name? Is this the only drug in the warrant that acts as a counter balance to the opiates found? Worth exploring?




Um, where do you have empirical evidence for such a statement?

I mean it is your thread and you can do with it as you will but if one is going to curb others injections of speculations then shouldn't you curb your own.

Fair point. Maybe Kirk did have cancer and was receiving chemo/radiation therapy, or nausea/vomiting from withdrawal symptoms. Anything is possible. It just wouldn't fit very well with all of the other evidence we have garnered from the warrants . Example :placing prescriptions in Kirk's name for his care.

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Reply #8 posted 01/02/18 6:31pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:

Oh, I'll be back but I had to stop on #6


6. If you look at the warrant , you will see that the bottle that contained Ondansetron, was placed in Kirk Johnson's name. In essence he had to go pick this drug up at a particular pharmacy. If you believe that to be true, one could state that Kirk was the one with cancer or the addiction . Neither of these statements would be true, so why would that drug be placed in his name? Is this the only drug in the warrant that acts as a counter balance to the opiates found? Worth exploring?




Um, where do you have empirical evidence for such a statement?

I mean it is your thread and you can do with it as you will but if one is going to curb others injections of speculations then shouldn't you curb your own.

Fair point. Maybe Kirk did have cancer and was receiving chemo/radiation therapy, or nausea/vomiting from withdrawal symptoms. Anything is possible. It just wouldn't fit very well with all of the other evidence we have garnered from the warrants . Example :placing prescriptions in Kirk's name for his care.



The warrants aren't about Kirk, and they have no more than what they needed to do whatever it is the investigators needed to do. Meaning, just because it's not in the warrants doesn't mean whether a side statement is true or not. They're warrants, things police get from the court to search out specific things. They're not scholarly works or dissertations.

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Reply #9 posted 01/02/18 6:38pm

morningsong

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Fair point. Maybe Kirk did have cancer and was receiving chemo/radiation therapy, or nausea/vomiting from withdrawal symptoms. Anything is possible. It just wouldn't fit very well with all of the other evidence we have garnered from the warrants . Example :placing prescriptions in Kirk's name for his care.



The warrants aren't about Kirk, and they have no more than what they needed to do whatever it is the investigators needed to do. Meaning, just because it's not in the warrants doesn't mean whether a side statement is true or not. They're warrants, things police get from the court to search out specific things. They're not scholarly works or dissertations.



Heck they aren't even investigation reports. They are search warrants.

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Reply #10 posted 01/02/18 8:10pm

Menes

morningsong said:

morningsong said:



The warrants aren't about Kirk, and they have no more than what they needed to do whatever it is the investigators needed to do. Meaning, just because it's not in the warrants doesn't mean whether a side statement is true or not. They're warrants, things police get from the court to search out specific things. They're not scholarly works or dissertations.



Heck they aren't even investigation reports. They are search warrants.

Whatever they are, it's target rich witih information you nor I would have ever known or would've been able to gather. You can always diregard the information and not one single thing would change in them.

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Reply #11 posted 01/03/18 3:03am

TypoQueen

It was repeated on other thread and I shall repeat again! Ondansetron is a medication that is commonly used. Example illness a GP will prescribe Ondansetron is the norovirus.
[Edited 1/3/18 3:46am]
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Reply #12 posted 01/03/18 7:18am

laurarichardso
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Menes said:

The previous thread may have expired due to its length.

It seems that the previous thread took a turn down into the "Prince had cancer" rabbit hole, so we shall explore a bit.

The claim that Prince had cancer is not new , nor can it be confirmed by any medical analysis provided by competent individuals that made such a diagnosis. It is not without reason that there may have been some pain involved based upon the narcotics found ,but even that is merely an educated guess.

1. If we look at the assortment of pills found @ Paisley Park ( per the warrant) there is a significant clue that may be overlooked when scanning through the reports. That clue is the balance and counter balance between opioid narcotics /and counter pills for withdrawals.

2. Our first example is the elephant in the room, ( Ondansetron). If you believe that Prince had cancer you would point to this as the smoking gun of narcotics to support such an opinion. However, that would mean that you believe that Prince was receiving some form of chemotherapy/radiation therapy at certain times prior to his death. You're going to have to reconcile that with a host of issues. I'll leave that point open for discussion because it is very clear to me that this is not an opinion I share.

3. If we did some real digging and research, we would easily ascertain that this same drug (Ondansetron), is unique in treating opioid withdrawal. Specifically, withdrawals that are accompanied by nausea and vomiting which is extremely common within the first instances of withdrawal.

4. There is also the fact that (Ondansetron) acts as an appetite suppressor. I won't bore you with the facts but perhaps you will understand/research the gene affected , hence acting as a modifying suppressant.

5. Now, there is a drug that is used in combination with (Zofran) that aids in suppressing withdrawals from opioid addiction, and yes, you guessed it, it was there in the warrant.

6. If you look at the warrant , you will see that the bottle that contained Ondansetron, was placed in Kirk Johnson's name. In essence he had to go pick this drug up at a particular pharmacy. If you believe that to be true, one could state that Kirk was the one with cancer or the addiction . Neither of these statements would be true, so why would that drug be placed in his name? Is this the only drug in the warrant that acts as a counter balance to the opiates found? Worth exploring?

7. Last, ( concerning Prince and cancer) for those of you who have pinpointed the cancer to be ("Pancreatic Cancer /stage 435 or whatever it may be") we should examine what sort of opiates were found and whether or not you believe this is a consistent treatment for "stage 435 Pancreatic Cancer", or whether the balance / counter balance of pills found were just someone dealing with addiction. It is pretty clear if you just used the information in the warrants and that only.

On to the hip:

There is some evidence that Prince may have had surgery for his hip. Whether it was hip surgery or hip replacement surgery may never be known, but there seems to have been something done around 2008 or so.

1. Pursuant to the surgery , post-op prescription opioids would have been dispensed as is customary.

2. It is apparent that the surgery did not take place in Minnesota as there are no records of him receiving one pill in the system. It may have been done in another state.

3. If we are to believe that he had this surgery, and we are to believe that there was an ongoing opioid addiction, this is more than likely where it would stem from. Eight(8) years is really not a long time when dealing with addiction.

4. If the hip was in that bad of shape, and you continued to work is such fashion, provoking pain was inevitable. If you wore four (4) inch heels and stood on your feet for hours pursuant to "hip surgery", one should have no fantasies about the outcome. In essence, reinjuring the hip was the sacrifice it would require to perform, which in turn ,constitutes long term use of pain killers.

5. That begs the question, if you simply wanted to treat long term pain that was a result of hip surgery , why would there be a need to go to such extravagant lengths to acquire illicit drugs? Prince is not a stupid person. My guess is that procuring prescribed substances required too many things that was of concern to him . What's my point here? If you had hip surgery at one point, you had access to prescribed pain killers at that point. If you want to keep using the pain kilers but don't want to deal with all the regulatory limitations that comes with, you will find other sources.

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).


[Edited 1/2/18 17:22pm]

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).
----

Who said he had stage 4 Pancreatic cancer? He could have had a recent diagnois that was telling him his chance of survial was zero. We are getting this info from family members and insiders with quite a lot of detail. ( Do you realize this is the worst cancer you can have? He would have been wearing a diaper and getting his food from a feeding tube.) Do you really think he was going to let that happen?

Why are you assuming Prince would tell anyone about cancer? If he had some associates would have been running their mouths to the media. Someone in his organization contracted TMZ.

I do not think Kirk signed Prince up for anything from what we have been told it was Pherdra that contacted Dr. Kornfield and if Pheadra and POA for Prince my guest is she is the person who knows a lot about the state of his health and she has not said one word to the media.

I do not believe that Prince was going to any rehab at all. If he told people to get their stuff out of Paisely because they might not be able to get it later he was not going to go to rehab for a while and come back home. I think he was looking for a quick relief from what was in Andrew's bag. Also realize that Dr. Kornfield operates and outpatient center and handles alternatives to joint pain management. I think this meeting was just a consultation.

You need to stop this nonsense with Tyka and this ESP shit. This is her brother do you think she would be happy to even think he was going to die? She said he sent her an e-mail and a song and picture. Do you think she is such an idiot that she could not figure out what he was saying in that communication and that she worked for him and they did not discuss it for the next couple of years? My God man she said she had been given specific task to complete.

Does it really have to be spelled out? He was in pain and he started accelerating his use of these meds to the point of making himself ill. He did not feel the need to stop using them or go to rehab since if would be pointless if he was going to die anyway.

Who plans to die from an overdose two or three years ahead? But you can certainly know what your chances are of beating cancer especially if it comes and goes for a few years.

I have a cousin who has been dealing with bouts of cancer for 8 years. Good chance they may not survive everytime it comes back.

[Edited 1/3/18 7:22am]

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Reply #13 posted 01/03/18 8:34am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

The previous thread may have expired due to its length.

It seems that the previous thread took a turn down into the "Prince had cancer" rabbit hole, so we shall explore a bit.

The claim that Prince had cancer is not new , nor can it be confirmed by any medical analysis provided by competent individuals that made such a diagnosis. It is not without reason that there may have been some pain involved based upon the narcotics found ,but even that is merely an educated guess.

1. If we look at the assortment of pills found @ Paisley Park ( per the warrant) there is a significant clue that may be overlooked when scanning through the reports. That clue is the balance and counter balance between opioid narcotics /and counter pills for withdrawals.

2. Our first example is the elephant in the room, ( Ondansetron). If you believe that Prince had cancer you would point to this as the smoking gun of narcotics to support such an opinion. However, that would mean that you believe that Prince was receiving some form of chemotherapy/radiation therapy at certain times prior to his death. You're going to have to reconcile that with a host of issues. I'll leave that point open for discussion because it is very clear to me that this is not an opinion I share.

3. If we did some real digging and research, we would easily ascertain that this same drug (Ondansetron), is unique in treating opioid withdrawal. Specifically, withdrawals that are accompanied by nausea and vomiting which is extremely common within the first instances of withdrawal.

4. There is also the fact that (Ondansetron) acts as an appetite suppressor. I won't bore you with the facts but perhaps you will understand/research the gene affected , hence acting as a modifying suppressant.

5. Now, there is a drug that is used in combination with (Zofran) that aids in suppressing withdrawals from opioid addiction, and yes, you guessed it, it was there in the warrant.

6. If you look at the warrant , you will see that the bottle that contained Ondansetron, was placed in Kirk Johnson's name. In essence he had to go pick this drug up at a particular pharmacy. If you believe that to be true, one could state that Kirk was the one with cancer or the addiction . Neither of these statements would be true, so why would that drug be placed in his name? Is this the only drug in the warrant that acts as a counter balance to the opiates found? Worth exploring?

7. Last, ( concerning Prince and cancer) for those of you who have pinpointed the cancer to be ("Pancreatic Cancer /stage 435 or whatever it may be") we should examine what sort of opiates were found and whether or not you believe this is a consistent treatment for "stage 435 Pancreatic Cancer", or whether the balance / counter balance of pills found were just someone dealing with addiction. It is pretty clear if you just used the information in the warrants and that only.

On to the hip:

There is some evidence that Prince may have had surgery for his hip. Whether it was hip surgery or hip replacement surgery may never be known, but there seems to have been something done around 2008 or so.

1. Pursuant to the surgery , post-op prescription opioids would have been dispensed as is customary.

2. It is apparent that the surgery did not take place in Minnesota as there are no records of him receiving one pill in the system. It may have been done in another state.

3. If we are to believe that he had this surgery, and we are to believe that there was an ongoing opioid addiction, this is more than likely where it would stem from. Eight(8) years is really not a long time when dealing with addiction.

4. If the hip was in that bad of shape, and you continued to work is such fashion, provoking pain was inevitable. If you wore four (4) inch heels and stood on your feet for hours pursuant to "hip surgery", one should have no fantasies about the outcome. In essence, reinjuring the hip was the sacrifice it would require to perform, which in turn ,constitutes long term use of pain killers.

5. That begs the question, if you simply wanted to treat long term pain that was a result of hip surgery , why would there be a need to go to such extravagant lengths to acquire illicit drugs? Prince is not a stupid person. My guess is that procuring prescribed substances required too many things that was of concern to him . What's my point here? If you had hip surgery at one point, you had access to prescribed pain killers at that point. If you want to keep using the pain kilers but don't want to deal with all the regulatory limitations that comes with, you will find other sources.

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).


[Edited 1/2/18 17:22pm]

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).
----

Who said he had stage 4 Pancreatic cancer? He could have had a recent diagnois that was telling him his chance of survial was zero. We are getting this info from family members and insiders with quite a lot of detail. ( Do you realize this is the worst cancer you can have? He would have been wearing a diaper and getting his food from a feeding tube.) Do you really think he was going to let that happen?

Why are you assuming Prince would tell anyone about cancer? If he had some associates would have been running their mouths to the media. Someone in his organization contracted TMZ.

I do not think Kirk signed Prince up for anything from what we have been told it was Pherdra that contacted Dr. Kornfield and if Pheadra and POA for Prince my guest is she is the person who knows a lot about the state of his health and she has not said one word to the media.

I do not believe that Prince was going to any rehab at all. If he told people to get their stuff out of Paisely because they might not be able to get it later he was not going to go to rehab for a while and come back home. I think he was looking for a quick relief from what was in Andrew's bag. Also realize that Dr. Kornfield operates and outpatient center and handles alternatives to joint pain management. I think this meeting was just a consultation.

You need to stop this nonsense with Tyka and this ESP shit. This is her brother do you think she would be happy to even think he was going to die? She said he sent her an e-mail and a song and picture. Do you think she is such an idiot that she could not figure out what he was saying in that communication and that she worked for him and they did not discuss it for the next couple of years? My God man she said she had been given specific task to complete.

Does it really have to be spelled out? He was in pain and he started accelerating his use of these meds to the point of making himself ill. He did not feel the need to stop using them or go to rehab since if would be pointless if he was going to die anyway.

Who plans to die from an overdose two or three years ahead? But you can certainly know what your chances are of beating cancer especially if it comes and goes for a few years.

I have a cousin who has been dealing with bouts of cancer for 8 years. Good chance they may not survive everytime it comes back.

[Edited 1/3/18 7:22am]

Imagine that... Tyka knew he had cancer (pick a stage) yet let her brother's good name get dragged through the mud for almost two years simply because she wasn't happy he was going to die? She's so thoughtful and nice.

So when/if she writes it in a book for profit, then it becomes true and therefore it was worth her letting the world assume that he was a drug addict,or a casualty of AIDS, for two years? It that the logic here? Yes , of course , that would make sense because, you see, she wouldn't be writing the book for profit or greed like anybody else did, but merely to clear the "air" once and for all.

Imagine that... she talks about everything else from growing up with Prince, his music, etc etc etc, but nooooooo, let's not talk about cancer as that is way too sensitive for her and too harsh of a thing to let the public know after almost TWO YEARS.. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait for the BOOK. But why does she need to have a book to explain something as simple as cancer that has been around from since the beginning of time? It's not as if he is the first person to die from it, nor will he be the last. Why would that be news to you or anyone else? By such inept reasoning, she would've chosen to let her brother's name get drenched in some of the most despicable rumors in order to tell a story for profit when she sees fit? Piece of work there.

Explain this , oh enlightened one, what is preventing her form telling anyone that would listen ,that he had cancer? What harm could come of that? Absolutely nothing! Ah , but wait, there is one thing... Nothing would drive the sales of your book like revealing any illness that your brother might have had. Conversely, if you knew he had cancer ,and he courageously battled that to the end, how much more would your brohter's name be uplifted? How many more people would take note of cancer awareness, treatments, protocols, etc? There is no logic to letting his name drown in unfounded despicable rumors. None, none, none. You would have to be the most incomptenet advisor on earth to let her think that way.

Yes, yes of course, it's all part of the way he wanted it. He would want nothing less than to be depicted as a drug addict or a casualty of AIDS before she tells the truth. After all, she would be following his wishes, no? Or, are they her own self absorbed thoughts of how to capitalize on his death too?

I remember you kicking and screaming down Penny Purple's door thread when the pubescent one (Mayte) wrote her book. Do you not remember how enraged you were because you thought she was doing it for greed? You think that if Tyka wrote a book that contained statements that Prince had cancer is any different? If so, why not write if for FREE, or say it for FREE right now in her interviews? By this you will know what she wants.

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Reply #14 posted 01/03/18 9:41am

ThatWhiteDude

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).
----

Who said he had stage 4 Pancreatic cancer? He could have had a recent diagnois that was telling him his chance of survial was zero. We are getting this info from family members and insiders with quite a lot of detail. ( Do you realize this is the worst cancer you can have? He would have been wearing a diaper and getting his food from a feeding tube.) Do you really think he was going to let that happen?

Why are you assuming Prince would tell anyone about cancer? If he had some associates would have been running their mouths to the media. Someone in his organization contracted TMZ.

I do not think Kirk signed Prince up for anything from what we have been told it was Pherdra that contacted Dr. Kornfield and if Pheadra and POA for Prince my guest is she is the person who knows a lot about the state of his health and she has not said one word to the media.

I do not believe that Prince was going to any rehab at all. If he told people to get their stuff out of Paisely because they might not be able to get it later he was not going to go to rehab for a while and come back home. I think he was looking for a quick relief from what was in Andrew's bag. Also realize that Dr. Kornfield operates and outpatient center and handles alternatives to joint pain management. I think this meeting was just a consultation.

You need to stop this nonsense with Tyka and this ESP shit. This is her brother do you think she would be happy to even think he was going to die? She said he sent her an e-mail and a song and picture. Do you think she is such an idiot that she could not figure out what he was saying in that communication and that she worked for him and they did not discuss it for the next couple of years? My God man she said she had been given specific task to complete.

Does it really have to be spelled out? He was in pain and he started accelerating his use of these meds to the point of making himself ill. He did not feel the need to stop using them or go to rehab since if would be pointless if he was going to die anyway.

Who plans to die from an overdose two or three years ahead? But you can certainly know what your chances are of beating cancer especially if it comes and goes for a few years.

I have a cousin who has been dealing with bouts of cancer for 8 years. Good chance they may not survive everytime it comes back.

[Edited 1/3/18 7:22am]

Imagine that... Tyka knew he had cancer (pick a stage) yet let her brother's good name get dragged through the mud for almost two years simply because she wasn't happy he was going to die? She's so thoughtful and nice.

So when/if she writes it in a book for profit, then it becomes true and therefore it was worth her letting the world assume that he was a drug addict,or a casualty of AIDS, for two years? It that the logic here? Yes , of course , that would make sense because, you see, she wouldn't be writing the book for profit or greed like anybody else did, but merely to clear the "air" once and for all.

Imagine that... she talks about everything else from growing up with Prince, his music, etc etc etc, but nooooooo, let's not talk about cancer as that is way too sensitive for her and too harsh of a thing to let the public know after almost TWO YEARS.. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait for the BOOK. But why does she need to have a book to explain something as simple as cancer that has been around from since the beginning of time? It's not as if he is the first person to die from it, nor will he be the last. Why would that be news to you or anyone else? By such inept reasoning, she would've chosen to let her brother's name get drenched in some of the most despicable rumors in order to tell a story for profit when she sees fit? Piece of work there.

Explain this , oh enlightened one, what is preventing her form telling anyone that would listen ,that he had cancer? What harm could come of that? Absolutely nothing! Ah , but wait, there is one thing... Nothing would drive the sales of your book like revealing any illness that your brother might have had. Conversely, if you knew he had cancer ,and he courageously battled that to the end, how much more would your brohter's name be uplifted? How many more people would take note of cancer awareness, treatments, protocols, etc? There is no logic to letting his name drown in unfounded despicable rumors. None, none, none. You would have to be the most incomptenet advisor on earth to let her think that way.

Yes, yes of course, it's all part of the way he wanted it. He would want nothing less than to be depicted as a drug addict or a casualty of AIDS before she tells the truth. After all, she would be following his wishes, no? Or, are they her own self absorbed thoughts of how to capitalize on his death too?

I remember you kicking and screaming down Penny Purple's door thread when the pubescent one (Mayte) wrote her book. Do you not remember how enraged you were because you thought she was doing it for greed? You think that if Tyka wrote a book that contained statements that Prince had cancer is any different? If so, why not write if for FREE, or say it for FREE right now in her interviews? By this you will know what she wants.

Oh my god Menes! You're on fire lol I love it.

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Reply #15 posted 01/03/18 9:52am

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Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

6. This next point is a bit off the beating path, but as I read through some of the responses , something stuck out. I think the poster Disch stated something to the effect: Who performs, ride bikes, plans more concerts, with "stage 435 pancreatic cancer"? Interesting. To add to that, If Kirk knew that he had stage "435 pancreatic cancer", what the hell kind of friend is that to sign him up for rehab? Who would agree to be taken off of any narcotic that brings relief from such a terminal monster? So , are we saying that Kirk knew nothing but that Prince's sister with the Cherokee Indian ESP gift, knew exactly what he had because Prince told her? Interesting.

More to follow: As in putting science to truth( as it relates to the warrants).
----

Who said he had stage 4 Pancreatic cancer? He could have had a recent diagnois that was telling him his chance of survial was zero. We are getting this info from family members and insiders with quite a lot of detail. ( Do you realize this is the worst cancer you can have? He would have been wearing a diaper and getting his food from a feeding tube.) Do you really think he was going to let that happen?

Why are you assuming Prince would tell anyone about cancer? If he had some associates would have been running their mouths to the media. Someone in his organization contracted TMZ.

I do not think Kirk signed Prince up for anything from what we have been told it was Pherdra that contacted Dr. Kornfield and if Pheadra and POA for Prince my guest is she is the person who knows a lot about the state of his health and she has not said one word to the media.

I do not believe that Prince was going to any rehab at all. If he told people to get their stuff out of Paisely because they might not be able to get it later he was not going to go to rehab for a while and come back home. I think he was looking for a quick relief from what was in Andrew's bag. Also realize that Dr. Kornfield operates and outpatient center and handles alternatives to joint pain management. I think this meeting was just a consultation.

You need to stop this nonsense with Tyka and this ESP shit. This is her brother do you think she would be happy to even think he was going to die? She said he sent her an e-mail and a song and picture. Do you think she is such an idiot that she could not figure out what he was saying in that communication and that she worked for him and they did not discuss it for the next couple of years? My God man she said she had been given specific task to complete.

Does it really have to be spelled out? He was in pain and he started accelerating his use of these meds to the point of making himself ill. He did not feel the need to stop using them or go to rehab since if would be pointless if he was going to die anyway.

Who plans to die from an overdose two or three years ahead? But you can certainly know what your chances are of beating cancer especially if it comes and goes for a few years.

I have a cousin who has been dealing with bouts of cancer for 8 years. Good chance they may not survive everytime it comes back.

[Edited 1/3/18 7:22am]

Imagine that... Tyka knew he had cancer (pick a stage) yet let her brother's good name get dragged through the mud for almost two years simply because she wasn't happy he was going to die? She's so thoughtful and nice.

So when/if she writes it in a book for profit, then it becomes true and therefore it was worth her letting the world assume that he was a drug addict,or a casualty of AIDS, for two years? It that the logic here? Yes , of course , that would make sense because, you see, she wouldn't be writing the book for profit or greed like anybody else did, but merely to clear the "air" once and for all.

Imagine that... she talks about everything else from growing up with Prince, his music, etc etc etc, but nooooooo, let's not talk about cancer as that is way too sensitive for her and too harsh of a thing to let the public know after almost TWO YEARS.. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait for the BOOK. But why does she need to have a book to explain something as simple as cancer that has been around from since the beginning of time? It's not as if he is the first person to die from it, nor will he be the last. Why would that be news to you or anyone else? By such inept reasoning, she would've chosen to let her brother's name get drenched in some of the most despicable rumors in order to tell a story for profit when she sees fit? Piece of work there.

Explain this , oh enlightened one, what is preventing her form telling anyone that would listen ,that he had cancer? What harm could come of that? Absolutely nothing! Ah , but wait, there is one thing... Nothing would drive the sales of your book like revealing any illness that your brother might have had. Conversely, if you knew he had cancer ,and he courageously battled that to the end, how much more would your brohter's name be uplifted? How many more people would take note of cancer awareness, treatments, protocols, etc? There is no logic to letting his name drown in unfounded despicable rumors. None, none, none. You would have to be the most incomptenet advisor on earth to let her think that way.

Yes, yes of course, it's all part of the way he wanted it. He would want nothing less than to be depicted as a drug addict or a casualty of AIDS before she tells the truth. After all, she would be following his wishes, no? Or, are they her own self absorbed thoughts of how to capitalize on his death too?

I remember you kicking and screaming down Penny Purple's door thread when the pubescent one (Mayte) wrote her book. Do you not remember how enraged you were because you thought she was doing it for greed? You think that if Tyka wrote a book that contained statements that Prince had cancer is any different? If so, why not write if for FREE, or say it for FREE right now in her interviews? By this you will know what she wants.

Of course you did not answer my questions.

Imagine that... Tyka knew he had cancer (pick a stage) yet let her brother's good name get dragged through the mud for almost two years simply because she wasn't happy he was going to die? She's so thoughtful and nice.

She actually first mentioned she knew he was going to die on national television back in the fall of 2016. No one wanted to hear what she had to say and still no one wants to hear it. I believe she is complying with Prince’s wishes and that there is a set time for info to come out. I believe when she said he left her and other with task that one of those is the dissemination of info

So when/if she writes it in a book for profit, then it becomes true and therefore it was worth her letting the world assume that he was a drug addict,or a casualty of AIDS, for two years? It that the logic here? Yes , of course , that would make sense because, you see, she wouldn't be writing the book for profit or greed like anybody else did, but merely to clear the "air" once and for all.

How do you know the book will be for profit? Maybe it will go to a charitable cause. Do you realize she is going to inherit a lot of money so she does not need a book deal to live off and I doubt she would get a big advance out of a book deal? It is okay for his gold digging ex-wife who we have no evidence he communicated with for over 20 years to write a book but not a family member who Prince did not prevent from inheriting money while his ex-got almost no cash from the divorce.



Imagine that... she talks about everything else from growing up with Prince, his music, etc etc etc, but nooooooo, let's not talk about cancer as that is way too sensitive for her and too harsh of a thing to let the public know after almost TWO YEARS.. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait for the BOOK. But why does she need to have a book to explain something as simple as cancer that has been around from since the beginning of time? It's not as if he is the first person to die from it, nor will he be the last. Why would that be news to you or anyone else? By such inept reasoning, she would've chosen to let her brother's name get drenched in some of the most despicable rumors in order to tell a story for profit when she sees fit? Piece of work there.

Once again I think she is following his wishes and when you write a book you do not have to worry about the media editing or twisting your words. As for rumors thus far I know of no one who takes the AIDS rumors or life long drug addict story that the tabs are trying to sell seriously.

Explain this , oh enlightened one, what is preventing her form telling anyone that would listen ,that he had cancer? What harm could come of that? Absolutely nothing! Ah , but wait, there is one thing... Nothing would drive the sales of your book like revealing any illness that your brother might have had. Conversely, if you knew he had cancer ,and he courageously battled that to the end, how much more would your brohter's name be uplifted? How many more people would take note of cancer awareness, treatments, protocols, etc? There is no logic to letting his name drown in unfounded despicable rumors. None, none, none. You would have to be the most incomptenet advisor on earth to let her think that way.


Yes, yes of course, it's all part of the way he wanted it. He would want nothing less than to be depicted as a drug addict or a casualty of AIDS before she tells the truth. After all, she would be following his wishes, no? Or, are they her own self absorbed thoughts of how to capitalize on his death too?

Maybe Prince was the incompetent advior. After all he could have held his own press conference right after his plane when down but remember he had signed a book deal. I think he was hoping to live long enough to tell his own story in a book. No filter and no editing.


I remember you kicking and screaming down Penny Purple's door thread when the pubescent one (Mayte) wrote her book. Do you not remember how enraged you were because you thought she was doing it for greed? You think that if Tyka wrote a book that contained statements that Prince had cancer is any different? If so, why not write if for FREE, or say it for FREE right now in her interviews? By this you will know what she wants.

I still believe Mayte sole motivation for writing that book was money. She was on a national T.V show trashing him and made plenty of angry statement via Facebook. Did she all of sudden for in love with him again after he died?

Tyka actually wrote an e-book before were Prince’ s name was not even mentioned in the book at all. You have no idea if this book will be free or with a publisher which means that the publisher will decide the cost not Tyka. I would say that Tyka is going to be getting loads of money and this book will be a means of explaining what was really going on with Prince in his final year from someone who actually knows something. It may shatter your tragic recreational drug user fantasy which has already been shot down by numerous people like Tavis and Van Jones.

People are going to believe what they want even if Tyka never writes a book. Let her represent the family and let us all wait and see what she had to say.

If we can listen and read Sharon's rants about money in the court docs we can listen to his sister who I have yet to see or hear say " I want my disbursment"

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Reply #16 posted 01/03/18 9:57am

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someone on here said he had leukemia and he said he heard it from the inner circle. what struck me about it is I think he was one of the posters who was full on thinking prince was murdered before he said that, so he was persuaded by whoever he spoke to that prince was terminal.

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Reply #17 posted 01/03/18 9:59am

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PeteSilas said:

someone on here said he had leukemia and he said he heard it from the inner circle. what struck me about it is I think he was one of the posters who was full on thinking prince was murdered before he said that, so he was persuaded by whoever he spoke to that prince was terminal.

Family members and insiders are talking and it always comes back to Cancer and terminal. Too many i insiders are saying it and I think if he wanted to take a hand full of pain killers and keep working to the end it makes him one strong ass dude not some pathetic junkie and I believe the truth is going to come out soon.

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Reply #18 posted 01/03/18 10:19am

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

someone on here said he had leukemia and he said he heard it from the inner circle. what struck me about it is I think he was one of the posters who was full on thinking prince was murdered before he said that, so he was persuaded by whoever he spoke to that prince was terminal.

Family members and insiders are talking and it always comes back to Cancer and terminal. Too many i insiders are saying it and I think if he wanted to take a hand full of pain killers and keep working to the end it makes him one strong ass dude not some pathetic junkie and I believe the truth is going to come out soon.

what don't make sense to me though is what is the big secret? that's the thing that makes me think aids, there is shame in aids and no shame in cancer. there is also shame in suicide so I think that would be covered up too. another thing i have to say, workaholics like Prince do tend to work themselves to death, Nat King Cole was another one who didn't get much sleep, worked his ass off, lost a fortune, earned it back again and died at 44(?) from cancer. In his case, i think his temperament also may have hurt him, you can't be a calm motherfucker like that in this fucked up country and not pay the price. I saw my dad, the sweetest man you'd ever know, i still remember him pacing back and forth saying "i wish i was dead" never hurt anyone but himself, he was one generation removed from tribal native peoples. Now, you women, often, are oblivious to all the bullshit us men and particularly us poor, minority men have to take upon our backs. I avoid as much as I can but honestly, work situations always come down to either an articulated "you ain't shit and i'll kick your ass' or "you ain't shit, i'm gonna make your day miserable and get you fired". Constant man, constant. So, strong ass men especially quiet men who just plow through shit and try to ignore the rest lose a lot of their years. Arthur Ashe believed those were the causes of his heart attacks and I can dig it, men treat men like shit.

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Reply #19 posted 01/03/18 10:22am

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If he had PC, there would not be any reason what so ever to obtain drugs illegally off of the streets. The Drs. would prescribe for a terminally ill patient.....

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Reply #20 posted 01/03/18 10:24am

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PennyPurple said:

If he had PC, there would not be any reason what so ever to obtain drugs illegally off of the streets. The Drs. would prescribe for a terminally ill patient.....

you'd leave a trail online that couldn't be hidden though. I've never understood why some of these, supposedly smart guys like the btk killer trusted his computer technology to communicate with the po po. this fool sent a floppy disk to the police which he deleted everything off of, thinking that they'd never catch him, he was wrong thank goodness.

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Reply #21 posted 01/03/18 10:30am

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



Heck they aren't even investigation reports. They are search warrants.

Whatever they are, it's target rich witih information you nor I would have ever known or would've been able to gather. You can always diregard the information and not one single thing would change in them.



Fallibility factor. Who's verifying the information? If the scientific method is being used here it has to stand up to the testing of others, that's a major part of the scientific method. Obviously that is not the case here. Nor will it ever be the case. So perspective is in order. You are making it the case that this is all we can work with.

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Reply #22 posted 01/03/18 10:33am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Imagine that... Tyka knew he had cancer (pick a stage) yet let her brother's good name get dragged through the mud for almost two years simply because she wasn't happy he was going to die? She's so thoughtful and nice.

So when/if she writes it in a book for profit, then it becomes true and therefore it was worth her letting the world assume that he was a drug addict,or a casualty of AIDS, for two years? It that the logic here? Yes , of course , that would make sense because, you see, she wouldn't be writing the book for profit or greed like anybody else did, but merely to clear the "air" once and for all.

Imagine that... she talks about everything else from growing up with Prince, his music, etc etc etc, but nooooooo, let's not talk about cancer as that is way too sensitive for her and too harsh of a thing to let the public know after almost TWO YEARS.. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait for the BOOK. But why does she need to have a book to explain something as simple as cancer that has been around from since the beginning of time? It's not as if he is the first person to die from it, nor will he be the last. Why would that be news to you or anyone else? By such inept reasoning, she would've chosen to let her brother's name get drenched in some of the most despicable rumors in order to tell a story for profit when she sees fit? Piece of work there.

Explain this , oh enlightened one, what is preventing her form telling anyone that would listen ,that he had cancer? What harm could come of that? Absolutely nothing! Ah , but wait, there is one thing... Nothing would drive the sales of your book like revealing any illness that your brother might have had. Conversely, if you knew he had cancer ,and he courageously battled that to the end, how much more would your brohter's name be uplifted? How many more people would take note of cancer awareness, treatments, protocols, etc? There is no logic to letting his name drown in unfounded despicable rumors. None, none, none. You would have to be the most incomptenet advisor on earth to let her think that way.

Yes, yes of course, it's all part of the way he wanted it. He would want nothing less than to be depicted as a drug addict or a casualty of AIDS before she tells the truth. After all, she would be following his wishes, no? Or, are they her own self absorbed thoughts of how to capitalize on his death too?

I remember you kicking and screaming down Penny Purple's door thread when the pubescent one (Mayte) wrote her book. Do you not remember how enraged you were because you thought she was doing it for greed? You think that if Tyka wrote a book that contained statements that Prince had cancer is any different? If so, why not write if for FREE, or say it for FREE right now in her interviews? By this you will know what she wants.

Of course you did not answer my questions.

Imagine that... Tyka knew he had cancer (pick a stage) yet let her brother's good name get dragged through the mud for almost two years simply because she wasn't happy he was going to die? She's so thoughtful and nice.

She actually first mentioned she knew he was going to die on national television back in the fall of 2016. No one wanted to hear what she had to say and still no one wants to hear it. I believe she is complying with Prince’s wishes and that there is a set time for info to come out. I believe when she said he left her and other with task that one of those is the dissemination of info

So when/if she writes it in a book for profit, then it becomes true and therefore it was worth her letting the world assume that he was a drug addict,or a casualty of AIDS, for two years? It that the logic here? Yes , of course , that would make sense because, you see, she wouldn't be writing the book for profit or greed like anybody else did, but merely to clear the "air" once and for all.

How do you know the book will be for profit? Maybe it will go to a charitable cause. Do you realize she is going to inherit a lot of money so she does not need a book deal to live off and I doubt she would get a big advance out of a book deal? It is okay for his gold digging ex-wife who we have no evidence he communicated with for over 20 years to write a book but not a family member who Prince did not prevent from inheriting money while his ex-got almost no cash from the divorce.



Imagine that... she talks about everything else from growing up with Prince, his music, etc etc etc, but nooooooo, let's not talk about cancer as that is way too sensitive for her and too harsh of a thing to let the public know after almost TWO YEARS.. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait for the BOOK. But why does she need to have a book to explain something as simple as cancer that has been around from since the beginning of time? It's not as if he is the first person to die from it, nor will he be the last. Why would that be news to you or anyone else? By such inept reasoning, she would've chosen to let her brother's name get drenched in some of the most despicable rumors in order to tell a story for profit when she sees fit? Piece of work there.

Once again I think she is following his wishes and when you write a book you do not have to worry about the media editing or twisting your words. As for rumors thus far I know of no one who takes the AIDS rumors or life long drug addict story that the tabs are trying to sell seriously.

Explain this , oh enlightened one, what is preventing her form telling anyone that would listen ,that he had cancer? What harm could come of that? Absolutely nothing! Ah , but wait, there is one thing... Nothing would drive the sales of your book like revealing any illness that your brother might have had. Conversely, if you knew he had cancer ,and he courageously battled that to the end, how much more would your brohter's name be uplifted? How many more people would take note of cancer awareness, treatments, protocols, etc? There is no logic to letting his name drown in unfounded despicable rumors. None, none, none. You would have to be the most incomptenet advisor on earth to let her think that way.


Yes, yes of course, it's all part of the way he wanted it. He would want nothing less than to be depicted as a drug addict or a casualty of AIDS before she tells the truth. After all, she would be following his wishes, no? Or, are they her own self absorbed thoughts of how to capitalize on his death too?

Maybe Prince was the incompetent advior. After all he could have held his own press conference right after his plane when down but remember he had signed a book deal. I think he was hoping to live long enough to tell his own story in a book. No filter and no editing.


I remember you kicking and screaming down Penny Purple's door thread when the pubescent one (Mayte) wrote her book. Do you not remember how enraged you were because you thought she was doing it for greed? You think that if Tyka wrote a book that contained statements that Prince had cancer is any different? If so, why not write if for FREE, or say it for FREE right now in her interviews? By this you will know what she wants.

I still believe Mayte sole motivation for writing that book was money. She was on a national T.V show trashing him and made plenty of angry statement via Facebook. Did she all of sudden for in love with him again after he died?

Tyka actually wrote an e-book before were Prince’ s name was not even mentioned in the book at all. You have no idea if this book will be free or with a publisher which means that the publisher will decide the cost not Tyka. I would say that Tyka is going to be getting loads of money and this book will be a means of explaining what was really going on with Prince in his final year from someone who actually knows something. It may shatter your tragic recreational drug user fantasy which has already been shot down by numerous people like Tavis and Van Jones.

People are going to believe what they want even if Tyka never writes a book. Let her represent the family and let us all wait and see what she had to say.

If we can listen and read Sharon's rants about money in the court docs we can listen to his sister who I have yet to see or hear say " I want my disbursment"

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1.If you believe Prince could have been the "incompetent advisor"( as in giving her instructions to allow the media to disparage his name and image with reckless abandon for almost two years, what does that make her? Is she the accomplice who is also playing us all for fools regardless of how it makes him look because she is following orders from Prince?

2.Are you saying that if he were alive today, Prince would have allowed himself to be dragged through that nasty filter for almost two years ,then reveal to us that he had cancer before he died? That's a new twist.Perhaps a new low for the Nelsons if you believe he had a hand in telling Tyka to let it play out exactly like that. In essence, that would mean that Prince,hatched a rather diabolical plan to self inflict as much damage to his image and then resurrect it with a glorified "cancer story" after he was dead.

*Truly fantastical to even propose that he could possibly be the puppet master attached to whatever is coming out of Tyka's mouth two years removed.

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Reply #23 posted 01/03/18 10:36am

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Menes said:

Whatever they are, it's target rich witih information you nor I would have ever known or would've been able to gather. You can always diregard the information and not one single thing would change in them.



Fallibility factor. Who's verifying the information? If the scientific method is being used here it has to stand up to the testing of others, that's a major part of the scientific method. Obviously that is not the case here. Nor will it ever be the case. So perspective is in order. You are making it the case that this is all we can work with.

What evidence do you have to date that has information (verifiable or not) of equal value or more? Please share so that we can discuss. I certainly would love to see it.

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Reply #24 posted 01/03/18 10:42am

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Fallibility factor. Who's verifying the information? If the scientific method is being used here it has to stand up to the testing of others, that's a major part of the scientific method. Obviously that is not the case here. Nor will it ever be the case. So perspective is in order. You are making it the case that this is all we can work with.

What evidence do you have to date that has information (verifiable or not) of equal value or more? Please share so that we can discuss. I certainly would love to see it.



Obviously none. I'm just keeping perspective with what's in front of us. Simply saying there is nothing else doesn't change the facts, nothing in those forms has been verified beyond what was originally written. Granted they are crucial in the investigation but no one not even you have stated the odds of fallibility. So we are still dealing with great big gapping holes that through personal preferences are being filled. Which is not facts. So I'm wondering what makes ones speculation more valid over another's based on the information we have.

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Of course you did not answer my questions.

Imagine that... Tyka knew he had cancer (pick a stage) yet let her brother's good name get dragged through the mud for almost two years simply because she wasn't happy he was going to die? She's so thoughtful and nice.

She actually first mentioned she knew he was going to die on national television back in the fall of 2016. No one wanted to hear what she had to say and still no one wants to hear it. I believe she is complying with Prince’s wishes and that there is a set time for info to come out. I believe when she said he left her and other with task that one of those is the dissemination of info

So when/if she writes it in a book for profit, then it becomes true and therefore it was worth her letting the world assume that he was a drug addict,or a casualty of AIDS, for two years? It that the logic here? Yes , of course , that would make sense because, you see, she wouldn't be writing the book for profit or greed like anybody else did, but merely to clear the "air" once and for all.

How do you know the book will be for profit? Maybe it will go to a charitable cause. Do you realize she is going to inherit a lot of money so she does not need a book deal to live off and I doubt she would get a big advance out of a book deal? It is okay for his gold digging ex-wife who we have no evidence he communicated with for over 20 years to write a book but not a family member who Prince did not prevent from inheriting money while his ex-got almost no cash from the divorce.



Imagine that... she talks about everything else from growing up with Prince, his music, etc etc etc, but nooooooo, let's not talk about cancer as that is way too sensitive for her and too harsh of a thing to let the public know after almost TWO YEARS.. Unfortunately, we will just have to wait for the BOOK. But why does she need to have a book to explain something as simple as cancer that has been around from since the beginning of time? It's not as if he is the first person to die from it, nor will he be the last. Why would that be news to you or anyone else? By such inept reasoning, she would've chosen to let her brother's name get drenched in some of the most despicable rumors in order to tell a story for profit when she sees fit? Piece of work there.

Once again I think she is following his wishes and when you write a book you do not have to worry about the media editing or twisting your words. As for rumors thus far I know of no one who takes the AIDS rumors or life long drug addict story that the tabs are trying to sell seriously.

Explain this , oh enlightened one, what is preventing her form telling anyone that would listen ,that he had cancer? What harm could come of that? Absolutely nothing! Ah , but wait, there is one thing... Nothing would drive the sales of your book like revealing any illness that your brother might have had. Conversely, if you knew he had cancer ,and he courageously battled that to the end, how much more would your brohter's name be uplifted? How many more people would take note of cancer awareness, treatments, protocols, etc? There is no logic to letting his name drown in unfounded despicable rumors. None, none, none. You would have to be the most incomptenet advisor on earth to let her think that way.


Yes, yes of course, it's all part of the way he wanted it. He would want nothing less than to be depicted as a drug addict or a casualty of AIDS before she tells the truth. After all, she would be following his wishes, no? Or, are they her own self absorbed thoughts of how to capitalize on his death too?

Maybe Prince was the incompetent advior. After all he could have held his own press conference right after his plane when down but remember he had signed a book deal. I think he was hoping to live long enough to tell his own story in a book. No filter and no editing.


I remember you kicking and screaming down Penny Purple's door thread when the pubescent one (Mayte) wrote her book. Do you not remember how enraged you were because you thought she was doing it for greed? You think that if Tyka wrote a book that contained statements that Prince had cancer is any different? If so, why not write if for FREE, or say it for FREE right now in her interviews? By this you will know what she wants.

I still believe Mayte sole motivation for writing that book was money. She was on a national T.V show trashing him and made plenty of angry statement via Facebook. Did she all of sudden for in love with him again after he died?

Tyka actually wrote an e-book before were Prince’ s name was not even mentioned in the book at all. You have no idea if this book will be free or with a publisher which means that the publisher will decide the cost not Tyka. I would say that Tyka is going to be getting loads of money and this book will be a means of explaining what was really going on with Prince in his final year from someone who actually knows something. It may shatter your tragic recreational drug user fantasy which has already been shot down by numerous people like Tavis and Van Jones.

People are going to believe what they want even if Tyka never writes a book. Let her represent the family and let us all wait and see what she had to say.

If we can listen and read Sharon's rants about money in the court docs we can listen to his sister who I have yet to see or hear say " I want my disbursment"

[Edited 1/3/18 9:56am]

[Edited 1/3/18 10:02am]

1.If you believe Prince could have been the "incompetent advisor"( as in giving her instructions to allow the media to disparage his name and image with reckless abandon for almost two years, what does that make her? Is she the accomplice who is also playing us all for fools regardless of how it makes him look because she is following orders from Prince?

2.Are you saying that if he were alive today, Prince would have allowed himself to be dragged through that nasty filter for almost two years ,then reveal to us that he had cancer before he died? That's a new twist.Perhaps a new low for the Nelsons if you believe he had a hand in telling Tyka to let it play out exactly like that. In essence, that would mean that Prince,hatched a rather diabolical plan to self inflict as much damage to his image and then resurrect it with a glorified "cancer story" after he was dead.

*Truly fantastical to even propose that he could possibly be the puppet master attached to whatever is coming out of Tyka's mouth two years removed.

Gosh you have too much free time on your hands.

I know that a few times he was said by a few associates to he did not comment on stuff in the media because no "matter what you say the public is going to think what they want and the media is going to write what the want"

Don't know if he said exactly like that but it is true statement. He would of had no way of knowing he was going to almost die on that plane so I do not think the plan was to have the public know anything at all and he did try to act like it was nothing the very next day.

He would have just died from cancer and none would known anything about any drugs. Look at all the stuff we are finding out about him just know from years ago. I think the plan was to carry on as normal until he died and something happend they made everything go sideways.

I do not think he thought his image was going to be tarnished and really if Tyka revels what was going on with his health his legacy will be fine. Basically the family has not said too much of anything concerned his health or drugs so if they reveal he had cancer nobody will care about the drug part anymore unless they are utter morons. You keep forgetting it is Tyka who is saying that she and others were left with task to complete.

If Prince were alive today he would have never have said anything no matter what the media had to say. He would not have addressed anything personal he never did. People have written that he was gay, a devil worshiper, that he had hoves for feet, did not want to be black, and that he was gay. He never addressed any of it. In fact he took that stuff and used it to sell records.

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PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

If he had PC, there would not be any reason what so ever to obtain drugs illegally off of the streets. The Drs. would prescribe for a terminally ill patient.....

you'd leave a trail online that couldn't be hidden though. I've never understood why some of these, supposedly smart guys like the btk killer trusted his computer technology to communicate with the po po. this fool sent a floppy disk to the police which he deleted everything off of, thinking that they'd never catch him, he was wrong thank goodness.

Sorry, I meant Pancreatic Cancer = PC

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PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

Family members and insiders are talking and it always comes back to Cancer and terminal. Too many i insiders are saying it and I think if he wanted to take a hand full of pain killers and keep working to the end it makes him one strong ass dude not some pathetic junkie and I believe the truth is going to come out soon.

what don't make sense to me though is what is the big secret? that's the thing that makes me think aids, there is shame in aids and no shame in cancer. there is also shame in suicide so I think that would be covered up too. another thing i have to say, workaholics like Prince do tend to work themselves to death, Nat King Cole was another one who didn't get much sleep, worked his ass off, lost a fortune, earned it back again and died at 44(?) from cancer. In his case, i think his temperament also may have hurt him, you can't be a calm motherfucker like that in this fucked up country and not pay the price. I saw my dad, the sweetest man you'd ever know, i still remember him pacing back and forth saying "i wish i was dead" never hurt anyone but himself, he was one generation removed from tribal native peoples. Now, you women, often, are oblivious to all the bullshit us men and particularly us poor, minority men have to take upon our backs. I avoid as much as I can but honestly, work situations always come down to either an articulated "you ain't shit and i'll kick your ass' or "you ain't shit, i'm gonna make your day miserable and get you fired". Constant man, constant. So, strong ass men especially quiet men who just plow through shit and try to ignore the rest lose a lot of their years. Arthur Ashe believed those were the causes of his heart attacks and I can dig it, men treat men like shit.

The secret could be suicide black people cannot handle it. Even if his family found out later after he died that he was sick they are never going to come out and say he killed himself.

Yes, men from P's generation do keep stuff inside and a terminal illness might have pushed his ass off the edge of sanity. It is not good for any sick person to handle things alone. You cannot be objective about your own health and he apparently had no one around that he felt could hold it together to help him or just keep there mouth closed.

Prince would not have held a press conference to tell the world he was on drugs or ill. This guy kept working thru divorce, death of child, death of parents, and apparently his own hip issues.

If he had any sort of illness he was going to kept working until the end and know one was going to know anything more then he wanted us to know.

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PennyPurple said:

If he had PC, there would not be any reason what so ever to obtain drugs illegally off of the streets. The Drs. would prescribe for a terminally ill patient.....

He had Dr. S write him non-controlled Rx under an assumed name. He did not want anyone knowing his business. Look at the two pharmacist that got into trouble for looking him up in the database. Star Tribune hiring an attorney to get his divorce file open.

Look at the media getting his FBI records. He was not going to have some greasy tabloid making a dollar off him.

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Reply #29 posted 01/03/18 11:00am

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If his family and inner circle are now saying that he had cancer, then somebody forgot to tell Chazz who think's he was murdered....

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