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Thread started 05/11/18 10:58am

love2thenines2003

Upcoming Prince album (Non-WB Material, TIDAL, 2019)

Tidal, Prince Estate agree to release new album in 2019




https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tidal-prince-estate-agree-to-drop-unreleased-album-w520211

"Our only goal is to share Prince's music with his fans as he wanted," Jay-Z says of 2019 album

Tidal and the Prince estate announced Friday that, after a lengthy legal battle, the streaming service will debut a new and unreleased Prince album. Due out in 2019, the album will feature a collection of previously unreleased music from Prince's legendary Vault.

Tidal will stream the album exclusively for 14 days as well as make the LP available for download a week after its debut. After that period, the Prince estate will handle the global physical release of the collection.
Reply #1 posted 05/11/18 11:02am

ufoclub

cool cool

Cool to hear any new music from any source at this point.

Reply #2 posted 05/11/18 11:12am

Doozer

Also reported by Rolling Stone. Release date: 2019

https://www.rollingstone....um-w520211

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #3 posted 05/11/18 11:17am

mikeyaddict

Fingers crossed for newer non warners stuff - maybe phase three? The word ‘compiling’ is a little worrying - sounding as if there isn’t something that was kinda ready to go. Really hope for Black is the new black but isn’t that rumoured to be with bluenote. But this could be good news. New stuff - which I would prefer from tidal and historic old stuff from Warner’s.

They should fall out and try to outdo the others release. 2019 tho. That’s a bit of a wait!
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #4 posted 05/11/18 11:26am

Doozer

"It’s noted in the release that the Prince estate’s partnership with Tidal “'does not involve any of Prince’s music catalogue that is subject to prior agreements with Warner Brothers Records.'”

Sounds to me like this will be non-Warner Bros era material.

[Edited 5/11/18 11:26am]

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #5 posted 05/11/18 11:27am

luvsexy4all

so now if the siblings could release something ..we get 3 cds ..

Reply #6 posted 05/11/18 11:32am

OperatingThetan

Good.

Hopefully this finally resolves speculation here about any wrongdoing on Tidal's part.

Far from having to remove music or be penalised, Tidal are receiving an additional album of unreleased music.
Reply #7 posted 05/11/18 11:35am

Strive

The Prince Estate and global music and entertainment platform TIDAL confirm plans to debut highly anticipated new Prince music exclusively via the TIDAL streaming service. The new album will contain previously unreleased music sourced from Prince's vast archive of Vault recordings.

The album – expected to be released in 2019 – will stream exclusively on TIDAL for fourteen days and will be available for download seven days after its debut. A global physical release is planned via The Prince Estate following the exclusive digital premiere on TIDAL. The new release marks a continuation of Prince's 2015 partnership with TIDAL, which resulted in the exclusive debut of HITnRUN Phase One and HITnRUN Phase Two via the streaming service. This concludes the previously unresolved legal matters between The Prince Estate and TIDAL.

The Prince Estate and Jay-Z are working together on the song selection for the album. "Our only goal is to share Prince's music with his fans as he wanted. After thoughtful and honest conversation with him, he chose TIDAL as his partner for HITnRUN Phase One and HITnRUN Phase Two, and we will continue to respect and honor Prince's enduring legacy and wishes with this new collection," Jay-Z said. Troy Carter, speaking on behalf of The Prince Estate, echoed those sentiments, noting "I'm very pleased this is resolved, and we get to honor the relationship between Prince and TIDAL with this album. We look forward to fans hearing the new music and experiencing the genius of Prince."

The album partnership with TIDAL does not involve any of Prince's music catalogue that is subject to prior agreements with Warner Brothers Records, Inc. The agreement between TIDAL and The Prince Estate was approved on May 9, 2018 by the Probate Court overseeing The Prince Estate.


There's the full press release.



So we know:



- This is vault material from the post Warner era.

- The estate and Jay-Z are working on song selection for the album.

- 2019 release date.

- Stream exclusive to Tidal for 14 days.

- Available for digital purchase after 7 days.

- The estate is going to handle the physical release globally.

- The legal matters between the Estate and Tidal have been settled.

[Edited 5/11/18 11:40am]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #8 posted 05/11/18 11:37am

OnlyNDaUsa

I Hope this is separate from the Sept 28th release.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #9 posted 05/11/18 11:42am

Strive

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I Hope this is separate from the Sept 28th release.


It is. That is being handle by Warner Bros and will contain WB era vault material.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #10 posted 05/11/18 11:43am

PRNelson

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time.

Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.
You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City
Reply #11 posted 05/11/18 11:44am

purplemist7777

Strive said:


The Prince Estate and global music and entertainment platform TIDAL confirm plans to debut highly anticipated new Prince music exclusively via the TIDAL streaming service.  The new album will contain previously unreleased music sourced from Prince's vast archive of Vault recordings. 

The album – expected to be released in 2019 – will stream exclusively on TIDAL for fourteen days and will be available for download seven days after its debut.  A global physical release is planned via The Prince Estate following the exclusive digital premiere on TIDAL.  The new release marks a continuation of Prince's 2015 partnership with TIDAL, which resulted in the exclusive debut of HITnRUN Phase One and HITnRUN Phase Two via the streaming service.  This concludes the previously unresolved legal matters between The Prince Estate and TIDAL.


The Prince Estate and Jay-Z are working together on the song selection for the album.  "Our only goal is to share Prince's music with his fans as he wanted.  After thoughtful and honest conversation with him, he chose TIDAL as his partner for HITnRUN Phase One and HITnRUN Phase Two, and we will continue to respect and honor Prince's enduring legacy and wishes with this new collection," Jay-Z said.  Troy Carter, speaking on behalf of The Prince Estate, echoed those sentiments, noting "I'm very pleased this is resolved, and we get to honor the relationship between Prince and TIDAL with this album. We look forward to fans hearing the new music and experiencing the genius of Prince." 


The album partnership with TIDAL does not involve any of Prince's music catalogue that is subject to prior agreements with Warner Brothers Records, Inc.  The agreement between TIDAL and The Prince Estate was approved on May 9, 2018 by the Probate Court overseeing The Prince Estate.




There's the full press release. 





So we know:





- This is vault material from the post Warner era. 


- The estate and Jay-Z are working on song selection for the album.


- 2019 release date.


- Stream exclusive to Tidal for 14 days.


- Available for digital purchase after 7 days.


- The estate is going to handle the physical release globally.


- The legal matters between the Estate and Tidal have been settled. 

[Edited 5/11/18 11:40am]


So how does the settling of Tidals steaming rights on a limited number of P’s albums for a limited number of years end up with Jay Z diving into the vaults and being involved with a new album release? Doesn’t make sense to me
Reply #12 posted 05/11/18 11:46am

rogifan

So after 7 days it will be available for download on Tidal and after 14 days available on other streaming services?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #13 posted 05/11/18 11:46am

laytonian

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I Hope this is separate from the Sept 28th release.

That's my question, also -- but I'm sure it is.

.

But the bad news is this: The judge approved the short-term Tidal deal over the objections of SNJ who claimed that this was not a good enough deal. SNJ had been given the opportunity to come up with a higher bidder, but could not/did not.

.

Obviously, the infighting has harmed the estate's future.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
Reply #14 posted 05/11/18 11:47am

OperatingThetan

purplemist7777 said:

Strive said:


The Prince Estate and global music and entertainment platform TIDAL confirm plans to debut highly anticipated new Prince music exclusively via the TIDAL streaming service.  The new album will contain previously unreleased music sourced from Prince's vast archive of Vault recordings. 

The album – expected to be released in 2019 – will stream exclusively on TIDAL for fourteen days and will be available for download seven days after its debut.  A global physical release is planned via The Prince Estate following the exclusive digital premiere on TIDAL.  The new release marks a continuation of Prince's 2015 partnership with TIDAL, which resulted in the exclusive debut of HITnRUN Phase One and HITnRUN Phase Two via the streaming service.  This concludes the previously unresolved legal matters between The Prince Estate and TIDAL.


The Prince Estate and Jay-Z are working together on the song selection for the album.  "Our only goal is to share Prince's music with his fans as he wanted.  After thoughtful and honest conversation with him, he chose TIDAL as his partner for HITnRUN Phase One and HITnRUN Phase Two, and we will continue to respect and honor Prince's enduring legacy and wishes with this new collection," Jay-Z said.  Troy Carter, speaking on behalf of The Prince Estate, echoed those sentiments, noting "I'm very pleased this is resolved, and we get to honor the relationship between Prince and TIDAL with this album. We look forward to fans hearing the new music and experiencing the genius of Prince." 


The album partnership with TIDAL does not involve any of Prince's music catalogue that is subject to prior agreements with Warner Brothers Records, Inc.  The agreement between TIDAL and The Prince Estate was approved on May 9, 2018 by the Probate Court overseeing The Prince Estate.




There's the full press release. 





So we know:





- This is vault material from the post Warner era. 


- The estate and Jay-Z are working on song selection for the album.


- 2019 release date.


- Stream exclusive to Tidal for 14 days.


- Available for digital purchase after 7 days.


- The estate is going to handle the physical release globally.


- The legal matters between the Estate and Tidal have been settled. 

[Edited 5/11/18 11:40am]


So how does the settling of Tidals steaming rights on a limited number of P’s albums for a limited number of years end up with Jay Z diving into the vaults and being involved with a new album release? Doesn’t make sense to me


Because Tidal were owed another album as per Prince's original deal and were not guilty of any wrongdoing.
Reply #15 posted 05/11/18 11:47am

laytonian

purplemist7777 said:


So how does the settling of Tidals steaming rights on a limited number of P’s albums for a limited number of years end up with Jay Z diving into the vaults and being involved with a new album release? Doesn’t make sense to me

.

This is a short-term, one-album deal only.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
Reply #16 posted 05/11/18 11:50am

OperatingThetan

PRNelson said:

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time.

Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.


Prince had an existing deal with Tidal and was still providing exclusive music to the service just days before his death. The Estate are now merely choosing to honour that deal.
Reply #17 posted 05/11/18 11:51am

OnlyNDaUsa

rogifan said:

So after 7 days it will be available for download on Tidal and after 14 days available on other streaming services?

what they mean is a week before it is on tidal it will leak and we will all have it anyway

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #18 posted 05/11/18 11:53am

OperatingThetan

A few more details here than answer many of the questions above:

http://variety.com/2018/biz/news/another-new-prince-album-coming-in-2019-via-tidal-1202807371/
Reply #19 posted 05/11/18 11:54am

PRNelson

OperatingThetan said:

PRNelson said:

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time.

Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.


Prince had an existing deal with Tidal and was still providing exclusive music to the service just days before his death. The Estate are now merely choosing to honour that deal.


I see. So they provide a collection of music predetermined before his passing?
You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City
Reply #20 posted 05/11/18 11:55am

PRNelson

OperatingThetan said:

PRNelson said:

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time.

Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.


Prince had an existing deal with Tidal and was still providing exclusive music to the service just days before his death. The Estate are now merely choosing to honour that deal.


I see. So they provide a collection of music predetermined before his passing?
You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City
Reply #21 posted 05/11/18 11:58am

Strive

rogifan said:

So after 7 days it will be available for download on Tidal and after 14 days available on other streaming services?


From the sound of it. It will be stream only on Tidal for the first seven days, stream/available to purchase digitally on Tidal for another week and then it will have a wide release after that. So I guess other streaming services and digital stores.



With the estate handing a HITNRUN style store for physical copies. Unless they partner up with someone, I don't think it will be getting a release in traditional stores.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #22 posted 05/11/18 12:04pm

MIRvmn

I'm glad it will be post-1996 material cool
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #23 posted 05/11/18 12:14pm

OnlyNDaUsa

OperatingThetan said:

A few more details here than answer many of the questions above: http://variety.com/2018/b...202807371/

that was messing up is this better?

http://variety.com/2018/b...202807371/

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #24 posted 05/11/18 12:14pm

OnlyNDaUsa

Strive said:

rogifan said:

So after 7 days it will be available for download on Tidal and after 14 days available on other streaming services?


From the sound of it. It will be stream only on Tidal for the first seven days, stream/available to purchase digitally on Tidal for another week and then it will have a wide release after that. So I guess other streaming services and digital stores.



With the estate handing a HITNRUN style store for physical copies. Unless they partner up with someone, I don't think it will be getting a release in traditional stores.

they are saying a Global physical release...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #25 posted 05/11/18 12:25pm

AnnaSantana

PRNelson said:

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time.

Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.


I disagree. Prince trusted JayZ, and I do, too.
FUCK DONALD TRUMP
Reply #26 posted 05/11/18 12:29pm

Strive

OnlyNDaUsa said:

they are saying a Global physical release...


Shipping worldwide from their online store is techincally a global release.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #27 posted 05/11/18 12:30pm

purplemist7777

OperatingThetan said:

PRNelson said:

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time.

Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.


Prince had an existing deal with Tidal and was still providing exclusive music to the service just days before his death. The Estate are now merely choosing to honour that deal.

I know but why would he have access to the vault and pick the songs? He is a rapper..what does he really know about P music and want the fans want?
Reply #28 posted 05/11/18 12:31pm

IstenSzek

might be that they are going to go through the very latest material he was recording
and put those tracks together?

like, i can imagine that prince probably promised J another HitNRun volume or said
something to the effect that he was going to do another one.

so this could be an album with 'free urself' and more of the latest songs on it, like,
i don't know, frida kahlo and rumeta. or were they all for Black is The New Black?
yet, that was more of a jazzy funk fusion album to be released on bluenote wasn't
it?

but to me it seems likely that tidal wants to release the last thing prince was busy
working on and if it isn't completed they will 'compile' it from what they can find on
the mixing boards and the laptops and whatnot.

they're getting help from the estate which means they have access. but i doubt the
estate will allow tidal/j access to everything in the post 1996 vault catalogue to just
pick n mix from.

tidal are saying they want to honour their deal with prince and put out another set
conform his wishes. that would be the newest material. (for instance HitnRun 3, if
such a thing exists or was in the works etc).

picking from the 96 vault at will to compile an album is not along those lines.

but people have been saying that it was 'prince's wish' about so many things these
days. so let's wait and see.

personally, i would love to have at least one last time the excitement of hearing the
latest thing prince was coming up with, even if it was only 70% finished.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #29 posted 05/11/18 12:36pm

cloveringold85

PRNelson said:

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time. Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.

.

I don't trust any of these people. disbelief

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #30 posted 05/11/18 12:42pm

TheFman

Where does that untalented overrated cheating piece of crap thinks he gets even get to be close to P's stuff?

that's not even close to a sentence but you catch my drift razz

Reply #31 posted 05/11/18 12:46pm

luvsexy4all

where did they get thse songs? from Prince bfore he died ?

Reply #32 posted 05/11/18 12:51pm

peedub

TheFman said:

Where does that untalented overrated cheating piece of crap thinks he gets even get to be close to P's stuff?


 


that's not even close to a sentence but you catch my drift razz



Probably from the contract that bears his and P's signatures...
Reply #33 posted 05/11/18 12:51pm

cloveringold85

TheFman said:

Where does that untalented overrated cheating piece of crap thinks he gets even get to be close to P's stuff?

that's not even close to a sentence but you catch my drift razz

.

yeahthat

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #34 posted 05/11/18 12:56pm

coldasice

mikeyaddict said:

Fingers crossed for newer non warners stuff - maybe phase three? The word ‘compiling’ is a little worrying - sounding as if there isn’t something that was kinda ready to go. Really hope for Black is the new black but isn’t that rumoured to be with bluenote. But this could be good news. New stuff - which I would prefer from tidal and historic old stuff from Warner’s.

They should fall out and try to outdo the others release. 2019 tho. That’s a bit of a wait!

Black is the New Black is a bunch of instrumental fusion isn’t it? I’d much rather have almost anything else.
Reply #35 posted 05/11/18 1:06pm

thedoorkeeper

Looking forward to this collection.
Here's hoping Jay-Z & Tidal pick some great material.
Fingers crossed.
Reply #36 posted 05/11/18 1:11pm

williamb610

ALRIGHT!

MORE PRINCE!

Even so...we could take even more Prince! Get it Prince Estate?

Monthly or weekly DAMNIT!

Hurry up and get the music and video to us! We haven't heard any arrangements about the release of more Prince video, besides the 'Nothing Compares...' video.

Now, we want more information on the video front and we'll be happy...or happier, at least. Not truly happy, since P is gone but you get the idea...

Reply #37 posted 05/11/18 1:22pm

TrcikyChristopher

TheFman said:

Where does that untalented overrated cheating piece of crap thinks he gets even get to be close to P's stuff?

that's not even close to a sentence but you catch my drift razz

Oh, FFS. I'm nowhere near a JAY-Z stan, but let's look at it pragmatically (and leave the "bloated streaming statistics" allegations out of this particular situation):

1) Prince had an exclusive streaming deal with Tidal before his passing, barring WB-era stuff.

2) upon Prince's death (whether it was right or wrong), Tidal released almost all of '96- (then) present-day released material. Tidal didn't get that audio out of thin air, especially the NPGMC stuff in the quality that was streamed. Prince provided it to them somehow. The fact that Tidal may or may not have released it without consent is of no consequence because we don't know what the actual contract or agreement stated. It very well could have been a handshake deal where P told Jay that he very well could have done whatever he wanted with the music in terms of streaming at a certain time. I have my suspicions that the plan was to release the discography on Tidal June 7, 2016 as a birthday surprise - even though he didn't celebrate, but actually "celebrated" at Paisley from time to time.

3) There were also deals in place to release P&M and BITNB (most likely on Tidal initially), so obviously P trusted Jay and Tidal.

The only ones that complained about the deal with Tidal were the ones that are currently fighting among themselves, while putting out their own ego-driven material (as much as I may have somewhat enjoyed John L's album, let's keep it real: no one would care about a Joseph Jackson album - even if it were produced by Tito) and hiring other singers to perform their brother's music.

[Edited 5/11/18 13:24pm]

[Edited 5/11/18 13:25pm]

Reply #38 posted 05/11/18 1:24pm

purplemist7777

Did anyone see the 5/9/18 Forbes article claiming Tidal inflated Beyoncé and Yeszy streaming numbers? And the estate just settle with him. Sad
Reply #39 posted 05/11/18 1:27pm

TrcikyChristopher

purplemist7777 said:

Did anyone see the 5/9/18 Forbes article claiming Tidal inflated Beyoncé and Yeszy streaming numbers? And the estate just settle with him. Sad

If you think TIDAL is the only streaming company allegedly doing that, you're fooling yourself. Sales generally don't mean anything anymore - clicks and streams do.

Reply #40 posted 05/11/18 2:12pm

StrangeButTrue

As long as it doesn't contain new "remixes" "featuring" anyone, I'm IN!

if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2
Reply #41 posted 05/11/18 2:17pm

rdhull

StrangeButTrue said:

As long as it doesn't contain new "remixes" "featuring" anyone, I'm IN!

Guest stars!: Migos. Wakka Flockka. Fetty Wap. Cadi B!

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #42 posted 05/11/18 2:26pm

CherryMoon57

This sounds like great news to me cool

Reply #43 posted 05/11/18 2:32pm

42Kristen

I thinik it will be a good album.

Reply #44 posted 05/11/18 2:46pm

RJP1205

Yes! This makes me happy! 2019 seems so far away though! biggrin
Reply #45 posted 05/11/18 2:53pm

leecaldon

This is great news. If this and the WB album go ahead as planned, then this could be the beginning of a constant stream of vault material.

Reply #46 posted 05/11/18 2:54pm

gandorb

RJP1205 said:

Yes! This makes me happy! 2019 seems so far away though! biggrin

Me too! Even better if we are served an album of unreleased Warner Brothers material in September as an appetizer.

Reply #47 posted 05/11/18 3:08pm

eyewishuheaven

StrangeButTrue said:

As long as it doesn't contain new "remixes" "featuring" anyone, I'm IN!


Right there with ya. wink

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #48 posted 05/11/18 3:13pm

OperatingThetan

leecaldon said:

This is great news. If this and the WB album go ahead as planned, then this could be the beginning of a constant stream of vault material.



Exactly. The more support Tidal receives for this the more likely we will see further post-Warners vault material released on the service.

Tidal were Prince's only choice as a streaming platform during his lifetime after all.
Reply #49 posted 05/11/18 5:55pm

popgodazipa

PRNelson said:

Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time.

Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.

Hmmm.. since Prince chose a partnership with JayZ over any of the major streaming services seems Tidal would be the better he deserves.

Why the hate for JayZ?
[Edited 5/11/18 17:57pm]
1 over Jordan...the greatest since
Reply #50 posted 05/11/18 6:28pm

PurpleDiamonds1

cloveringold85 said:

 



PRNelson said:


Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time. Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.

.


I don't trust any of these people.  disbelief


With ya ...follow the $$
Reply #51 posted 05/11/18 6:29pm

PurpleDiamonds1

TheFman said:

Where does that untalented overrated cheating piece of crap thinks he gets even get to be close to P's stuff?


 


that's not even close to a sentence but you catch my drift razz


YES to this^^^^^
Reply #52 posted 05/11/18 6:38pm

SchlomoThaHomo

Of course I'm always excited to get new Prince music. The only thing I find worrisome, and slightly nauseating, is that Jay Z is involved in compiling the tracklist. I don't think he should have access to the vault.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #53 posted 05/11/18 6:39pm

nelcp777

Welcome 2the dawn.
Reply #54 posted 05/11/18 6:46pm

mbdtyler

Is this Jay's attempt at deflecting attention from yesterday's Tidal controversy? Real convenient timing, is all I'm saying...

Reply #55 posted 05/11/18 7:11pm

Strive

mbdtyler said:

Is this Jay's attempt at deflecting attention from yesterday's Tidal controversy? Real convenient timing, is all I'm saying...



It was approved by the court on the 9th
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #56 posted 05/11/18 7:29pm

FlyOnTheWall

OperatingThetan said:

Good. Hopefully this finally resolves speculation here about any wrongdoing on Tidal's part. Far from having to remove music or be penalised, Tidal are receiving an additional album of unreleased music.

yeahthat That was also my first thought.

Reply #57 posted 05/11/18 7:58pm

Lovejunky

AnnaSantana said:

PRNelson said:
Makes me sad to know so many hands have hold of his work. If anything is released I would prefer it to be compiled considerately by an individual or individuals of expert opinion and great knowledge surrounding his work. Releases which are sympathetic to eras and work he was producing during that time. Jay z choosing songs to put on an album? Man. His legacy deserves more.
I disagree. Prince trusted JayZ, and I do, too.

co sign....

But nt just becasue Prince Trusted him

Becasue I have seen JAYZ Grow and mature as a man and a Person..

Im proud of the way he literlally grew UP and OUT of the Gutters...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #58 posted 05/11/18 8:28pm

Latin

Here is a related thread posted recently entitled "Video: VAN JONES and JAY Z speak about their relationship with PRINCE & Tidal":

http://prince.org/msg/7/452423
Reply #59 posted 05/11/18 9:43pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Tidal only gets to stream this album for 14 days.

I can wait.

It resolves both the Estate and Federal lawsuits.

Settlements = compromise.

Reply #60 posted 05/11/18 10:25pm

love2thenines2003

JAY Z involved compiling the track list from the vault is only communication...the final word is up to Troy Carter with the help of the main archivist ...i even suspect that the unreleased album had have been compiled when Prince was yet alive...it's more than my 2 cents!
[Edited 5/11/18 22:26pm]
Reply #61 posted 05/12/18 12:11am

fabriziovenerandi

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.
Reply #62 posted 05/12/18 12:51am

Rebeljuice

You would think some people here on the org will never be happy with any future releases unless Prince himself comes back from the dead to oversee its release. I hardly think JayZ is able to walk down the vault isles with a shopping trolly and drop anything he wants into it. Prince had a plan with the HNR series and from what it looks like is they are compilations of orphaned songs working backwards in time. HNR3 was probably set for outtakes from mid 10's upto 2010 or so.

So it will either be HNR3 or there is an album there that was being worked on. I doubt very much it will be a Crystal Ball type compilation of outtakes from 96 onwards.

Reply #63 posted 05/12/18 12:57am

kapo74

Just a couple of days ago, I wondered if Tidal was still a thing. I guess it is.
Reply #64 posted 05/12/18 1:55am

Neversin

love2thenines2003 said:

https://www.rollingstone....um-w520211
"Our only goal is to share Prince's music with his fans as he wanted," Jay-Z says of 2019 album Tidal and the Prince estate announced Friday that, after a lengthy legal battle, the streaming service will debut a new and unreleased Prince album. Due out in 2019, the album will feature a collection of previously unreleased music from Prince's legendary Vault. Tidal will stream the album exclusively for 14 days as well as make the LP available for download a week after its debut. After that period, the Prince estate will handle the global physical release of the collection.


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #65 posted 05/12/18 2:06am

love2thenines2003

Neversin said:

love2thenines2003 said:

https://www.rollingstone....um-w520211


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

Neversin.

This is my main FEAR....2 !

PS>Neversin...are u aware if in the vaults there are real completed / sequenced Prince albums always unreleased?

thanx 4 ur possible reply?

Reply #66 posted 05/12/18 2:23am

Neversin

love2thenines2003 said:

Neversin said:


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

Neversin.

This is my main FEAR....2 !

PS>Neversin...are u aware if in the vaults there are real completed / sequenced Prince albums always unreleased?

thanx 4 ur possible reply?


Yes...
There are several sequenced "albums", or at least collections of songs, ready for release...
The problem is some of the stuff on those releases have been released on other albums... But everybody should already know this as this is "Prince 101" since 1982...

And then there's the numerous instrumental projects that were sequenced and edited into potential (untitled) album releases... There's a shitload of those...

Then there are "rejected" sequences/albums Prince wanted out there but wasn't allowed to release...

My guess is the ignorants at The prince Estate will ignore these and pull them apart because they lack informed people and are "learning" Prince 101 on the fly now and fail to turn to advise from people who already researched Prince and his recorded material for the last 40 years...

Their goal is not to please fans or do archival professional releases but to monetize as much as possible by trying to sell to and engage the general public... Fans will buy shit anyhow so no need to focus on them... That seems to be their stance...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #67 posted 05/12/18 2:32am

love2thenines2003

Neversin said:

love2thenines2003 said:

This is my main FEAR....2 !

PS>Neversin...are u aware if in the vaults there are real completed / sequenced Prince albums always unreleased?

thanx 4 ur possible reply?


Yes...
There are several sequenced "albums", or at least collections of songs, ready for release...
The problem is some of the stuff on those releases have been released on other albums... But everybody should already know this as this is "Prince 101" since 1982...

And then there's the numerous instrumental projects that were sequenced and edited into potential (untitled) album releases... There's a shitload of those...

Then there are "rejected" sequences/albums Prince wanted out there but wasn't allowed to release...

My guess is the ignorants at The prince Estate will ignore these and pull them apart because they lack informed people and are "learning" Prince 101 on the fly now and fail to turn to advise from people who already researched Prince and his recorded material for the last 40 years...

Their goal is not to please fans or do archival professional releases but to monetize as much as possible by trying to sell to and engage the general public... Fans will buy shit anyhow so no need to focus on them... That seems to be their stance...

Neversin.

Thanx so much 4 ur clarifications Neversin...i appreciate ....i think that u are right about these fears & Now Prince is gone....Windows & Doors of the incompetence are fully open ...People Involved exept maybe 4 Michael Howe (but the final word is not up 2 him) are far away to be credible...Business 1st ...RIGHT ?

Reply #68 posted 05/12/18 5:17am

IstenSzek

Rebeljuice said:

You would think some people here on the org will never be happy with any future releases unless Prince himself comes back from the dead to oversee its release. I hardly think JayZ is able to walk down the vault isles with a shopping trolly and drop anything he wants into it. Prince had a plan with the HNR series and from what it looks like is they are compilations of orphaned songs working backwards in time. HNR3 was probably set for outtakes from mid 10's upto 2010 or so.

So it will either be HNR3 or there is an album there that was being worked on. I doubt very much it will be a Crystal Ball type compilation of outtakes from 96 onwards.


that was my first thought too nod


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #69 posted 05/12/18 5:33am

arinaur

TrcikyChristopher said:

 



TheFman said:


Where does that untalented overrated cheating piece of crap thinks he gets even get to be close to P's stuff?


 


that's not even close to a sentence but you catch my drift razz



Oh, FFS. I'm nowhere near a JAY-Z stan, but let's look at it pragmatically (and leave the "bloated streaming statistics" allegations out of this particular situation):


 


1) Prince had an exclusive streaming deal with Tidal before his passing, barring WB-era stuff.


2) upon Prince's death (whether it was right or wrong), Tidal released almost all of '96- (then) present-day released material. Tidal didn't get that audio out of thin air, especially the NPGMC stuff in the quality that was streamed. Prince provided it to them somehow. The fact that Tidal may or may not have released it without consent is of no consequence because we don't know what the actual contract or agreement stated. It very well could have been a handshake deal where P told Jay that he very well could have done whatever he wanted with the music in terms of streaming at a certain time. I have my suspicions that the plan was to release the discography on Tidal June 7, 2016 as a birthday surprise - even though he didn't celebrate, but actually "celebrated" at Paisley from time to time.


3) There were also deals in place to release P&M and BITNB (most likely on Tidal initially), so obviously P trusted Jay and Tidal.


 


The only ones that complained about the deal with Tidal were the ones that are currently fighting among themselves, while putting out their own ego-driven material (as much as I may have somewhat enjoyed John L's album, let's keep it real:  no one would care about a Joseph Jackson album - even if it were produced by Tito) and hiring other singers to perform their brother's music.


 


[Edited 5/11/18 13:24pm]

[Edited 5/11/18 13:25pm]



[b]Well Said! I subscribed to Tidal because of Prince, but Prince is not why I stayed. I wish there was a section exclusively in Tidal for the Vault material. From this, Spotify, Apple and hard copy record producing labels could cherry pick the most profitable stuff. Tidal is for people who love music and want higher quality sound... the type of enthusiasts Prince inspired.
Reply #70 posted 05/12/18 5:33am

Doozer

I think I worry more about whether or not Tidal will be around in 2019 to release anything at all.
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #71 posted 05/12/18 5:36am

OperatingThetan

It's highly likely Jay-Z is choosing from a batch of later tracks (likely continuations of Prince's HitnRun series)presented to him by the Estate.

I hardly think Jay-Z is wandering around in the vault picking whatever he likes. Please.

And there is no suggestion the songs will be remixed. In fact, Jay-Z's comment indicates the opposite if you actually bother to READ the article before commenting (And crying. Or both.).

Some of you are too blinded with prejudice to see the potential here and on the only streaming platform Prince approved in his lifetime.

I guess you're all good with Spotify though? And then you want to talk about respecting Prince's wishes and legacy? BS. This is all about your whims and preferences. It has no connection to any statements or ethics Prince espoused at all.
Reply #72 posted 05/12/18 5:50am

IstenSzek

Doozer said:

I think I worry more about whether or not Tidal will be around in 2019 to release anything at all.


nod lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #73 posted 05/12/18 6:25am

darkroman

I'm a little disappointed this thread is on page three already and we don't have a plethora of over excited and deluded, speculative tracklistings!


lol lol lol

Reply #74 posted 05/12/18 7:05am

IstenSzek

darkroman said:

I'm a little disappointed this thread is on page three already and we don't have a plethora of over excited and deluded, speculative tracklistings!


lol lol lol


omg! fake tracklists lol

let's see, if it's anything like HnR I and II, it would be 'old' tracks and a few new ones:


01: SAMEPAGEDIFFERENTBOOK
02: RUFFENOUGH(VOCAL)
03: FREEURSELF
04: BLACKCOTTONCANDY

05: FRIDAKAHLO
06: STANDUPSTEPBACK
07: GINGERBREADMAN
08: BOYFRIEND
09: INDIFFERENCE
10: AIN'TGONNAMISSUWHENURGONE
11: BUTTERFACE
12: KARMABOOMERANG

giggle






and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #75 posted 05/12/18 7:13am

IstenSzek

other possible inclusions

CHECKTHERECORD
CHAPTERNVERSE
LOVETHYWILLBDONE*


*(rerecorded for "the great gatsby")

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #76 posted 05/12/18 7:17am

djThunderfunk

If it's not Hit & Run Phase 3, I vote for Welcome 2 America. If it's newly compiled, I vote to add the song Welcome 2 America. Just sayin'... I want that song. wink

Regardless, count me as happy to get some WB material in September and some post WB stuff next year. I want it all. My only issue at this point is I want at least one of each every year.



[Edited 5/12/18 7:19am]

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #77 posted 05/12/18 7:30am

NorthC

Yeah, they're not exactly overflooding the market...
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #78 posted 05/12/18 7:59am

leadline

OperatingThetan said:

Good. Hopefully this finally resolves speculation here about any wrongdoing on Tidal's part. Far from having to remove music or be penalised, Tidal are receiving an additional album of unreleased music.


It doesn't exonerate Tidal from anything, all it does is say that the estate had a price for forgiveness.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #79 posted 05/12/18 8:06am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

leadline said:

OperatingThetan said:

Good. Hopefully this finally resolves speculation here about any wrongdoing on Tidal's part. Far from having to remove music or be penalised, Tidal are receiving an additional album of unreleased music.


It doesn't exonerate Tidal from anything, all it does is say that the estate had a price for forgiveness.

I agree that it doesnt exonerate Tidal.

The problem for the Estate was Phaedra went over to the side of Tidal mostly because she needed to cover up her shady dealings and forged documents.

Reply #80 posted 05/12/18 8:12am

kingricefan

Even if this did happen there are folks here on the Org. that would still b*tch and complain about what songs were on the tracklist. biggrin

Rebeljuice said:

You would think some people here on the org will never be happy with any future releases unless Prince himself comes back from the dead to oversee its release. I hardly think JayZ is able to walk down the vault isles with a shopping trolly and drop anything he wants into it. Prince had a plan with the HNR series and from what it looks like is they are compilations of orphaned songs working backwards in time. HNR3 was probably set for outtakes from mid 10's upto 2010 or so.

So it will either be HNR3 or there is an album there that was being worked on. I doubt very much it will be a Crystal Ball type compilation of outtakes from 96 onwards.

Reply #81 posted 05/12/18 8:54am

JudasSmile

I'd be interested to hear Phase 3 or whatever it will be if they don't mess around with the songs. They should have plenty of completed songs to pick from.

I'd be happy enough with a WB and Tidal/non-WB album every year (even better if a live album/DVD/BD was released too).

U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took.
Reply #82 posted 05/12/18 9:17am

Strive

I don't get why everybody's so down on this news.

.

Saying that Jay-Z is involved in the song selection is probably nothing more than a publicity stunt. That or the estate is planning on giving him a usb stick full of songs without a home and say "here pick your favorites & sequence them" ... which isn't much different than what Prince use to do. Everybody loved HITNRUN Part 2 but it was a mishmash of misfit songs. lol

.

Fans have to let go of this idea that we should only get Prince compiled projects. It's cool that we're getting late era material so soon.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #83 posted 05/12/18 9:47am

NorthC

Strive said:

I don't get why everybody's so down on this news. 


.


Saying that Jay-Z is involved in the song selection is probably nothing more than a publicity stunt. That or the estate is planning on giving him a usb stick full of songs without a home and say "here pick your favorites & sequence them" ... which isn't much different than what Prince use to do. Everybody loved HITNRUN Part 2 but it was a mishmash of misfit songs.  lol


.


Fans have to let go of this idea that we should only get Prince compiled projects. It's cool that we're getting late era material so soon. 


Jay_Z has got absolutely nothing to do with Prince. Of course from now on, someone else is going to compile the albums, but it should be someone who knows Prince's work and, maybe, worked with him. For the later years that would be... Josh Welton? Yes, even he would be better! (As long as he leaves the tracks alone.)
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #84 posted 05/12/18 9:59am

DBW

I hope that they also sell it in stores on CD format. I like to have the art work, CD package. I'm ol' school like that. Tangible objects!

Reply #85 posted 05/12/18 10:46am

Guitarhero

fabriziovenerandi said:

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

Who gives a stuff what that cretin thinks.

Miss my wife Julita rose
Reply #86 posted 05/12/18 10:48am

NorthC

DBW said:

I hope that they also sell it in stores on CD format. I like to have the art work, CD package. I'm ol' school like that. Tangible objects!


The report does talk about a physical release.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #87 posted 05/12/18 11:01am

love2thenines2003

A guy who lives in Minneapolis has just posted this on his FB page ?

"1 june 2018.....Piano and microphone stay tune;)"

Supposed to be released by WBR

https://www.facebook.com/FUNKARTIST-41462400828/
Reply #88 posted 05/12/18 11:39am

cloveringold85

Wolves in sheep clothing. hmm

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #89 posted 05/12/18 12:35pm

2freaky4church1

Good Dick and a Job is coming people. The earthquake is coming to an earhole near u.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #90 posted 05/12/18 12:43pm

IstenSzek

kingricefan said:

Even if this did happen there are folks here on the Org. that would still b*tch and complain about what songs were on the tracklist. biggrin

Rebeljuice said:

You would think some people here on the org will never be happy with any future releases unless Prince himself comes back from the dead to oversee its release. I hardly think JayZ is able to walk down the vault isles with a shopping trolly and drop anything he wants into it. Prince had a plan with the HNR series and from what it looks like is they are compilations of orphaned songs working backwards in time. HNR3 was probably set for outtakes from mid 10's upto 2010 or so.

So it will either be HNR3 or there is an album there that was being worked on. I doubt very much it will be a Crystal Ball type compilation of outtakes from 96 onwards.


these people complained about the tracklists while prince was still alive and putting out albums lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #91 posted 05/12/18 12:44pm

IstenSzek

2freaky4church1 said:

Good Dick and a Job is coming people. The earthquake is coming to an earhole near u.


that will most likely be on the six disc Emancipation reissue smile


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #92 posted 05/12/18 12:53pm

TheEnglishGent

IstenSzek said:

 



2freaky4church1 said:


  Good Dick and a Job is coming people.  The earthquake is coming to an earhole near u. 




that will most likely be on the six disc Emancipation reissue smile 


and we’ll spend the next 20 years trying to whittle it down to one.
lol
RIP sad
Reply #93 posted 05/12/18 12:53pm

2freaky4church1

Or the Tony M remix album.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #94 posted 05/12/18 1:45pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

I will wait for the download and the vinyl.

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #95 posted 05/12/18 2:28pm

MIRvmn

I'm actually more excited about this album since chances are that I've already heard most of what will be on the WB album. I think this could very well be HnR3 smile
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #96 posted 05/12/18 2:34pm

IstenSzek

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:


that will most likely be on the six disc Emancipation reissue smile


and we’ll spend the next 20 years trying to whittle it down to one. lol



there will still be people going "whittle six discs down to one?! i can't even pick one song i like from this! talk to the hand "

lol


neutral

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #97 posted 05/12/18 3:05pm

dodger

IstenSzek said:

 



darkroman said:


I'm a little disappointed this thread is on page three already and we don't have a plethora of over excited and deluded, speculative tracklistings!


lol lol lol




omg! fake tracklists lol 

let's see, if it's anything like HnR I and II, it would be 'old' tracks and a few new ones:


01: SAMEPAGEDIFFERENTBOOK
02: RUFFENOUGH(VOCAL)
03: FREEURSELF
04: BLACKCOTTONCANDY


05: FRIDAKAHLO
06: STANDUPSTEPBACK
07: GINGERBREADMAN
08: BOYFRIEND
09: INDIFFERENCE
10: AIN'TGONNAMISSUWHENURGONE
11: BUTTERFACE
12: KARMABOOMERANG

giggle








I’ve just tweeted this to Jay.
Let’s hope he don’t replace Shelby’s rap on Same Page Different Book with his own
Reply #98 posted 05/12/18 3:25pm

IstenSzek

dodger said:

IstenSzek said:


omg! fake tracklists lol

let's see, if it's anything like HnR I and II, it would be 'old' tracks and a few new ones:


01: SAMEPAGEDIFFERENTBOOK
02: RUFFENOUGH(VOCAL)
03: FREEURSELF
04: BLACKCOTTONCANDY

05: FRIDAKAHLO
06: STANDUPSTEPBACK
07: GINGERBREADMAN
08: BOYFRIEND
09: INDIFFERENCE
10: AIN'TGONNAMISSUWHENURGONE
11: BUTTERFACE
12: KARMABOOMERANG

giggle






I’ve just tweeted this to Jay. Let’s hope he don’t replace Shelby’s rap on Same Page Different Book with his own


don't do that eek the regulars here are gonna kill me if this is released since 3/4
of these tracks are already on our harddrives lol

plus, gingerbreadman, if it exists, is probably on the "welcome 2 america" album.

and "karmaboomerang" is like 99/01 or something, again, if it exists lol

blackcottoncandy might not even be a song, but prince tweeted that a few times.

indifference was probably for the next 3rdEyeGirl album.

frida kahlo might not even be for prince but for one of his girl protege singers.

stand up and b strong dates back to 2008/2009? stand up step back even older,

IF it exists lol

butterface might be one of the newest tunes, or it might just have been a one off
live thing.

yeah. don't tweet that to jay z lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #99 posted 05/12/18 5:40pm

OperatingThetan

leadline said:

 



OperatingThetan said:


Good. Hopefully this finally resolves speculation here about any wrongdoing on Tidal's part. Far from having to remove music or be penalised, Tidal are receiving an additional album of unreleased music.


It doesn't exonerate Tidal from anything, all it does is say that the estate had a price for forgiveness.



The Estate attempted to prosecute Tidal for wrongdoing and failed in court. Far from Tidal being fined or having to remove any Prince music, they're receiving an exclusive new album of material.

Troy himself is on record as stating that he is pleased the Estate is choosing to 'honour' Prince's existing arrangement with Tidal.

Most of the Estate's previous objections to the Tidal deal could be disproven by one look at Prince's twitter account and all the exclusive music he continued to provide Tidal up until the week of his death. But the Estate is being rinsed by lawyers.
Reply #100 posted 05/12/18 6:14pm

TrcikyChristopher

OperatingThetan said:

leadline said:


It doesn't exonerate Tidal from anything, all it does is say that the estate had a price for forgiveness.

The Estate attempted to prosecute Tidal for wrongdoing and failed in court. Far from Tidal being fined or having to remove any Prince music, they're receiving an exclusive new album of material. Troy himself is on record as stating that he is pleased the Estate is choosing to 'honour' Prince's existing arrangement with Tidal. Most of the Estate's previous objections to the Tidal deal could be disproven by one look at Prince's twitter account and all the exclusive music he continued to provide Tidal up until the week of his death. But the Estate is being rinsed by lawyers.

yeahthat

Money-hungry, in-fighting, clueless siblings and their lawyers willing to do their bidding...

Reply #101 posted 05/12/18 6:59pm

purplethunder3121

I hope they do a decent job...

"No them...there's only us."
Reply #102 posted 05/12/18 10:15pm

dodger

IstenSzek said:

 



dodger said:


IstenSzek said:

 



omg! fake tracklists lol 

let's see, if it's anything like HnR I and II, it would be 'old' tracks and a few new ones:


01: SAMEPAGEDIFFERENTBOOK
02: RUFFENOUGH(VOCAL)
03: FREEURSELF
04: BLACKCOTTONCANDY


05: FRIDAKAHLO
06: STANDUPSTEPBACK
07: GINGERBREADMAN
08: BOYFRIEND
09: INDIFFERENCE
10: AIN'TGONNAMISSUWHENURGONE
11: BUTTERFACE
12: KARMABOOMERANG

giggle








I’ve just tweeted this to Jay. Let’s hope he don’t replace Shelby’s rap on Same Page Different Book with his own


don't do that  eek the regulars here are gonna kill me if this is released since 3/4
of these tracks are already on our harddrives lol 

plus, gingerbreadman, if it exists, is probably on the "welcome 2 america" album.

and "karmaboomerang" is like 99/01 or something, again, if it exists lol

blackcottoncandy might not even be a song, but prince tweeted that a few times.

indifference was probably for the next 3rdEyeGirl album.

frida kahlo might not even be for prince but for one of his girl protege singers.

stand up and b strong dates back to 2008/2009? stand up step back even older, 


IF it exists lol 

butterface might be one of the newest tunes, or it might just have been a one off
live thing.

yeah. don't tweet that to jay z lol 



lol
I wasn’t serious.
And I know you were taking the piss being fake tracklist master
🤣😂
Reply #103 posted 05/13/18 4:41am

IstenSzek

dodger said:

IstenSzek said:


don't do that eek the regulars here are gonna kill me if this is released since 3/4
of these tracks are already on our harddrives lol

plus, gingerbreadman, if it exists, is probably on the "welcome 2 america" album.

and "karmaboomerang" is like 99/01 or something, again, if it exists lol

blackcottoncandy might not even be a song, but prince tweeted that a few times.

indifference was probably for the next 3rdEyeGirl album.

frida kahlo might not even be for prince but for one of his girl protege singers.

stand up and b strong dates back to 2008/2009? stand up step back even older,

IF it exists lol

butterface might be one of the newest tunes, or it might just have been a one off
live thing.

yeah. don't tweet that to jay z lol

lol I wasn’t serious. And I know you were taking the piss being fake tracklist master 🤣😂


lol thank the lord smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #104 posted 05/13/18 8:27am

massing

love2thenines2003 said:

A guy who lives in Minneapolis has just posted this on his FB page ? "1 june 2018.....Piano and microphone stay tune;)" Supposed to be released by WBR https://www.facebook.com/...462400828/

He sounds pretty sure of himself. Seems really unlikely though.

Reply #105 posted 05/13/18 9:25am

love2thenines2003

massing said:

love2thenines2003 said:

A guy who lives in Minneapolis has just posted this on his FB page ? "1 june 2018.....Piano and microphone stay tune;)" Supposed to be released by WBR https://www.facebook.com/...462400828/

He sounds pretty sure of himself. Seems really unlikely though.

The guy is RIGHT...we don't have the details yet but is about PIAN0 & MICROPHONE ..more news soon !

Reply #106 posted 05/13/18 10:09am

NorthC

I'll believe that when I see it.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #107 posted 05/13/18 10:13am

luvsexy4all

love2thenines2003 said:

massing said:

He sounds pretty sure of himself. Seems really unlikely though.

The guy is RIGHT...we don't have the details yet but is about PIAN0 & MICROPHONE ..more news soon !

but its been stated its unreleased songs..not live...so is this an additional release?

Reply #108 posted 05/13/18 10:15am

love2thenines2003

NorthC said:

I'll believe that when I see it.

Piano & Microphone release with other things will B announced on the 1st of June by WBR....99% sure at this stage confirmed 2 me few minutes ago by a reporter in musical industry ...i have his OK 2 share this with u....no more details at this stage!!

Reply #109 posted 05/13/18 10:17am

NorthC

Alright... That's not so far away..
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #110 posted 05/13/18 10:18am

luvsexy4all

love2thenines2003 said:

NorthC said:

I'll believe that when I see it.

Piano & Microphone release with other things will B announced on the 1st of June by WBR....99% sure at this stage confirmed 2 me few minutes ago by a reporter in musical industry ...i have his OK 2 share this with u....no more details at this stage!!

is this the 9/28 release????

Reply #111 posted 05/13/18 10:20am

luvsexy4all

Neversin said:

love2thenines2003 said:

https://www.rollingstone....um-w520211


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

Neversin.

its unfortunate ...."we" dont have a say....maybe militant can plead his case to the right people

Reply #112 posted 05/13/18 10:22am

love2thenines2003

luvsexy4all said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Piano & Microphone release with other things will B announced on the 1st of June by WBR....99% sure at this stage confirmed 2 me few minutes ago by a reporter in musical industry ...i have his OK 2 share this with u....no more details at this stage!!

is this the 9/28 release????

It seems there will B differents things announced !

Reply #113 posted 05/13/18 11:01am

OperatingThetan

luvsexy4all said:

 



Neversin said:


 



love2thenines2003 said:


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tidal-prince-estate-agree-to-drop-unreleased-album-w520211


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

Neversin.



its unfortunate ...."we" dont have a say....maybe militant can plead his case to the right people



I don't think any of us are going to argue a court appointed settlement.

There's no suggestion any songs will be remixed. Jay-Z's statement indicates the direct opposite if you bother to read the full press release. Besides, Prince dealt directly with Jay-Z before as part of his original agreement with Tidal and praised him publically.

I hardly think Jay-Z is going to be wandering the vault, cherry-picking whatever he fancies. It's much more likely he'll merely select from a batch of later material presented to him by the Estate.

Whatever, Prince had a positive relationship with Jay-Z, and Tidal was the only streaming service he approved in his lifetime, so Jay-Z seems to be the least offensive individual to help select the compilation.

How do you think Prince felt about the Warners executives who chose the unreleased material for the 'Purple Rain' remaster? How many of you were whining then?

Do you think Troy is more approved by Prince to select vault material? Prince had no relationship with him and Troy worked for Spotify - a company Prince could not have been more publically critical of. Yet hardly anyone here seems to have a similar issue with Troy.The real issue is simply a prejudice and contention towards Jay-Z that Prince himself did not share.


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Reply #114 posted 05/13/18 11:32am

massing

love2thenines2003 said:

massing said:

He sounds pretty sure of himself. Seems really unlikely though.

The guy is RIGHT...we don't have the details yet but is about PIAN0 & MICROPHONE ..more news soon !

Amazing!! Thanks for the info. biggrin

Reply #115 posted 05/13/18 12:26pm

williamb610

TITLES, anyone?

What should the estate call the next two releases?

Get Princely with it...let's pick a title and maybe they'll use it!

Mine...The Dawn and The Afterworld...

Reply #116 posted 05/13/18 1:07pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

love2thenines2003 said:

luvsexy4all said:

is this the 9/28 release????

It seems there will B differents things announced !

I think there are at least two if not more releases.

Troy's statements about a release was well before the Estate came to an agreement with Tidal last week.

Reply #117 posted 05/13/18 3:23pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Looking forward to this. cool

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #118 posted 05/14/18 2:32am

JorisE73

OperatingThetan said:

It's highly likely Jay-Z is choosing from a batch of later tracks (likely continuations of Prince's HitnRun series)presented to him by the Estate. I hardly think Jay-Z is wandering around in the vault picking whatever he likes. Please. And there is no suggestion the songs will be remixed. In fact, Jay-Z's comment indicates the opposite if you actually bother to READ the article before commenting (And crying. Or both.). Some of you are too blinded with prejudice to see the potential here and on the only streaming platform Prince approved in his lifetime. I guess you're all good with Spotify though? And then you want to talk about respecting Prince's wishes and legacy? BS. This is all about your whims and preferences. It has no connection to any statements or ethics Prince espoused at all.

We'll see, I'm hoping for Hit 'n Run Part 3 just to finish the deal.

[Edited 5/14/18 2:33am]

Reply #119 posted 05/14/18 2:40am

Neversin

Some clueless people here do not seem to understand the term "remixed" used by me on this topic, so let me clarify:

There are already fully mixed tracks in Prince's vault, Michael Howe and whomever is in there mixing/remixing these tracks for potential release; for example by pushing all the slides way up and expose every track recorded of a song and leave them there (WTF?!) or leveling them to retarded results, see: "Nothing Compares 2 U" for his personal(?) and quite bullshit mix of Prince's demo with Susannah and Eric Leeds in the mix and then the added Clare Fisher strings and St. Paul's backing vocals track which were recorded for "The Family"'s release of the song and not Prince's demo (version) of the song...

If they wanted to release a Prince solo version then they should have just released his 1991 studio re-recording or have left the original demo for what it is without fucking with it and not remix it into something historically inacurate like they did...

So, it seems we'll be getting these kinds of releases from now on because they fail to adhere to or even consult the numerous research that has been done regarding his recordings...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #120 posted 05/14/18 4:37am

TheSilentMikey

Neversin said:

Some clueless people here do not seem to understand the term "remixed" used by me on this topic, so let me clarify:

There are already fully mixed tracks in Prince's vault, Michael Howe and whomever is in there mixing/remixing these tracks for potential release; for example by pushing all the slides way up and expose every track recorded of a song and leave them there (WTF?!) or leveling them to retarded results, see: "Nothing Compares 2 U" for his personal(?) and quite bullshit mix of Prince's demo with Susannah and Eric Leeds in the mix and then the added Clare Fisher strings and St. Paul's backing vocals track which were recorded for "The Family"'s release of the song and not Prince's demo (version) of the song...

If they wanted to release a Prince solo version then they should have just released his 1991 studio re-recording or have left the original demo for what it is without fucking with it and not remix it into something historically inacurate like they did...

So, it seems we'll be getting these kinds of releases from now on because they fail to adhere to or even consult the numerous research that has been done regarding his recordings...

Neversin.

So the Clare Fisher strings and the backing vocals by St. Paul were never included in any version by Prince? That's somewhat sad, the fact that they needed to add tracks completely unrelated to the original recording in order to "complete" it.

[Edited 5/14/18 4:37am]

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #121 posted 05/14/18 6:46am

jdcxc

It will be interesting to see who has a better marketing department, Tidal or Warners?

PR reissue was one of the cheapest, sloppiest marketing ventures of a major release.
Reply #122 posted 05/14/18 8:11am

Neversin

jdcxc said:

It will be interesting to see who has a better marketing department, Tidal or Warners? PR reissue was one of the cheapest, sloppiest marketing ventures of a major release.


Considering "Purple Rain" was one of the greatest albums WBR has ever released and then they rush release a ghetto "Deluxe" version of it on a non-anniversary date, to profit off of the guys death, and give it a horrible cheap ass treatment with no quality controle whatsoever, scrapping/holding back on the better outtakes of the set to secure a future half-assed release, not release the DVD of First Avenue 1983 with it, again only to secure a future half-assed release and 0 attention to detail, well, then I don't have high hopes for a professional "Prince" release from WBR with tracks probably only fans will be interested in...
It will probably have that cheap ass "The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" look and feel because they think Prince would have wanted that... Of course the idiots there not understanding that was Prince's way of trying to sabotage that release...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #123 posted 05/14/18 11:31am

paulludvig

Neversin said:

 



jdcxc said:


It will be interesting to see who has a better marketing department, Tidal or Warners? PR reissue was one of the cheapest, sloppiest marketing ventures of a major release.


Considering "Purple Rain" was one of the greatest albums WBR has ever released and then they rush release a ghetto "Deluxe" version of it on a non-anniversary date, to profit off of the guys death, and give it a horrible cheap ass treatment with no quality controle whatsoever, scrapping/holding back on the better outtakes of the set to secure a future half-assed release, not release the DVD of First Avenue 1983 with it, again only to secure a future half-assed release and 0 attention to detail, well, then I don't have high hopes for a professional "Prince" release from WBR with tracks probably only fans will be interested in...
It will probably have that cheap ass "The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" look and feel because they think Prince would have wanted that... Of course the idiots there not understanding that was Prince's way of trying to sabotage that release...

Neversin.



What do you consider the better outtakes?
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #124 posted 05/14/18 12:12pm

ufoclub

Neversin said:

pushing all the slides way up and expose every track recorded of a song and leave them there (WTF?!) or leveling them to retarded results
Neversin.



This is what Prince always basically did according to Femi Jiya and other engineers (like the one interviewed about mixing "Kiss". In fact, Jiya said he had to sneak in behind Prince and reduce some levels for the one album Prince allowed to be mixed with more dynamic ranges/traditional variety of presence in the arrangements: Rainbow Children.

Prince considered it to be his sound... even finger cymbals and rain stick up to 11.

[Edited 5/14/18 12:16pm]

Reply #125 posted 05/15/18 2:41am

BartVanHemelen

fabriziovenerandi said:

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

.

Prince's final album sold mere thousands.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #126 posted 05/15/18 4:00am

leecaldon

BartVanHemelen said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

.

Prince's final album sold mere thousands.

Tens of thousands, at the very least.

Reply #127 posted 05/15/18 6:26am

2freaky4church1

Bart, Gold Experience was great, right?

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #128 posted 05/15/18 8:24am

NoSwan

BartVanHemelen said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

.

Prince's final album sold mere thousands.

Hey B., you haven't really left your baby box to grow up, have you? Same gripes for more than 15 years and the crying goes on...

Reply #129 posted 05/15/18 9:41am

fabriziovenerandi

BartVanHemelen said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

.

Prince's final album sold mere thousands.

A never promoted "volume 2" of old songs without radio and video rotation did not sell well?

VERY STRANGE

Reply #130 posted 05/15/18 3:13pm

ThirdStrike

BartVanHemelen said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

.

Prince's final album sold mere thousands.

Why is this dude still atround?!?!? His miserable nature and agressive postings have long been stale, old, and unwelcomed. Leave already. My goodness...

[Edited 5/15/18 15:14pm]

Reply #131 posted 05/15/18 3:18pm

OperatingThetan

ThirdStrike said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


 



fabriziovenerandi said:


And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

.


Prince's final album sold mere thousands.



Why is this dude still atround?!?!?  His miserable nature and agressive postings have long been stale, old, and unwelcomed.  Leave already.  My goodness...

[Edited 5/15/18 15:14pm]



Bart was highly critical of Prince in his posts when I first joined prince.org in 1998. Despite apparently not enjoying a single Prince album or song in over 20 years he's still here...
Reply #132 posted 05/15/18 3:21pm

ThirdStrike

OperatingThetan said:

ThirdStrike said:

Why is this dude still atround?!?!? His miserable nature and agressive postings have long been stale, old, and unwelcomed. Leave already. My goodness...

[Edited 5/15/18 15:14pm]

Bart was highly critical of Prince in his posts when I first joined prince.org in 1998. Despite apparently not enjoying a single Prince album or song in over 20 years he's still here...

I have no idea why he's even tolerated in here. He's a troll with some data. That's it. And watch, there'll be those who defenbd him. "He brings valuable knowledge" they'll say. But for fuck's sake, he's rude, obnoxious, and has absoluetely no tact. He needs to be taught a lesson for sure...

Reply #133 posted 05/15/18 5:26pm

leecaldon

ThirdStrike said:

OperatingThetan said:

ThirdStrike said: Bart was highly critical of Prince in his posts when I first joined prince.org in 1998. Despite apparently not enjoying a single Prince album or song in over 20 years he's still here...

I have no idea why he's even tolerated in here. He's a troll with some data. That's it. And watch, there'll be those who defenbd him. "He brings valuable knowledge" they'll say. But for fuck's sake, he's rude, obnoxious, and has absoluetely no tact. He needs to be taught a lesson for sure...

Bart could be a valuable part of the org, but he seems to revel being a fly in the ointment.

Reply #134 posted 05/16/18 12:56am

NorthC

Please guys, let's not turn this into another anti-Bart thread and have this lock
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #135 posted 05/16/18 10:35am

luvsexy4all

imagine an org world...bart and laura only posts

Reply #136 posted 05/16/18 11:37am

NorthC

It's easy of you try
Above us only ghosts
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #137 posted 05/16/18 11:44am

cloveringold85

luvsexy4all said:

imagine an org world...bart and laura only posts

.

lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #138 posted 05/16/18 11:45am

luvsexy4all

cloveringold85 said:

luvsexy4all said:

imagine an org world...bart and laura only posts

.

lol

kinda make your head spin ..in all directions

Reply #139 posted 05/16/18 12:32pm

cloveringold85

luvsexy4all said:

cloveringold85 said:

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lol

kinda make your head spin ..in all directions

.

nuts

.

Imagine the look on Prince's face when reading it. lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #140 posted 05/16/18 1:57pm

littlefrank

Its no new music,but aa all good! confused
Prouddaddyfunkateer
Reply #141 posted 05/16/18 1:58pm

littlefrank

littlefrank said:

Its no new music,but aa all good! confused

Cocoboys lol wink
Prouddaddyfunkateer
Reply #142 posted 05/17/18 6:27am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

NorthC said:

Please guys, let's not turn this into another anti-Bart thread and have this lock

Exactly folks!

Let's not derail the discussion folks lurking

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #143 posted 05/17/18 3:02pm

Kares

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/now-tidal-is-accused-of-failing-to-pay-record-labels-on-time/

"fresh revelations from Dagens Næringsliv suggest that TIDAL is significantly behind with its royalty payments to music industry rights-holders.

In a new report, DN suggests that multiple sources have informed it that TIDAL is “behind with payments directly to the three major international record companies”."

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #144 posted 05/18/18 1:13pm

Missmusicluver72

I am happy on one hand that we are getting more new music, but on the other, I am a little bit uneasy. Just hope if Jay Z is such a huge P fan like he claims, he will respect and honor P's music and not put a bunch of lame hip hop rappers and remixes on it.

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above.
RIP Sweet Prince
Reply #145 posted 05/18/18 2:46pm

eyewishuheaven

Missmusicluver72 said:

Just hope if Jay Z is such a huge P fan like he claims, he will respect and honor P's music and not put a bunch of lame hip hop rappers and remixes on it.


I won't spend Dollar One on such nonsense. I want it to be known.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #146 posted 05/18/18 4:54pm

Missmusicluver72

eyewishuheaven said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Just hope if Jay Z is such a huge P fan like he claims, he will respect and honor P's music and not put a bunch of lame hip hop rappers and remixes on it.


I won't spend Dollar One on such nonsense. I want it to be known.

Me neither. Fingers crossed Jay Z will do the right thing.

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above.
RIP Sweet Prince
Reply #147 posted 05/19/18 11:10am

JorisE73

Missmusicluver72 said:

eyewishuheaven said:


I won't spend Dollar One on such nonsense. I want it to be known.

Me neither. Fingers crossed Jay Z will do the right thing.


But the problem may be that every Jay-Z fan or hip-hop fan will buy that because of the Jay-Z link, and I wouldn't be surprised if that audience shifts more units than Prince's fanbase and I think the only thing that matters to The Estate is how much Money they make and what makes the most money, so we could be screwed. But I think that's the worst case scenario for us.
Imagine a Justin Timberlake 'duet' with Prince on a unreleased song on thois new album like on the MJ album after his death.

Reply #148 posted 05/19/18 12:10pm

cloveringold85

JorisE73 said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Me neither. Fingers crossed Jay Z will do the right thing.


But the problem may be that every Jay-Z fan or hip-hop fan will buy that because of the Jay-Z link, and I wouldn't be surprised if that audience shifts more units than Prince's fanbase and I think the only thing that matters to The Estate is how much Money they make and what makes the most money, so we could be screwed. But I think that's the worst case scenario for us.
Imagine a Justin Timberlake 'duet' with Prince on a unreleased song on thois new album like on the MJ album after his death.

.

Oh God, Please No!! Prince would not want that. disbelief rolleyes

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #149 posted 05/19/18 12:31pm

Missmusicluver72

JorisE73 said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Me neither. Fingers crossed Jay Z will do the right thing.


But the problem may be that every Jay-Z fan or hip-hop fan will buy that because of the Jay-Z link, and I wouldn't be surprised if that audience shifts more units than Prince's fanbase and I think the only thing that matters to The Estate is how much Money they make and what makes the most money, so we could be screwed. But I think that's the worst case scenario for us.
Imagine a Justin Timberlake 'duet' with Prince on a unreleased song on thois new album like on the MJ album after his death.

I was thinking that and I am all for new folks getting into P's music. I just don't want the quality to suffer. Yep, at the end of the day though, it is whatever brings in the most money.

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above.
RIP Sweet Prince
Reply #150 posted 05/19/18 2:21pm

eyewishuheaven

They could do both, I suppose - release 'pure' versions of the vault tracks to us, and then make separate compilations of (what I'd call) necroduets for people who enjoy that sort of thing.

Kind of like George Lucas and his Star Wars... release as many special editions as you want, just for god's sake give us the pure original versions!

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #151 posted 05/22/18 9:50am

rubberfish

I doubt they’ll be a TIDAL in 2019
Reply #152 posted 05/22/18 12:27pm

BanishedBrian

OperatingThetan said:

ThirdStrike said:

Why is this dude still atround?!?!? His miserable nature and agressive postings have long been stale, old, and unwelcomed. Leave already. My goodness...

[Edited 5/15/18 15:14pm]

Bart was highly critical of Prince in his posts when I first joined prince.org in 1998. Despite apparently not enjoying a single Prince album or song in over 20 years he's still here...


Agreed, but his 20 years of critique have been mostly correct at every juncture. (If you remember the experience of waiting for Crystal Ball in 1998, you know why Bart was griping.)

No Candy 4 Me
Reply #153 posted 05/23/18 10:02am

OperatingThetan

BanishedBrian said:

 



OperatingThetan said:


ThirdStrike said:

 


Why is this dude still atround?!?!?  His miserable nature and agressive postings have long been stale, old, and unwelcomed.  Leave already.  My goodness...


[Edited 5/15/18 15:14pm]



Bart was highly critical of Prince in his posts when I first joined prince.org in 1998. Despite apparently not enjoying a single Prince album or song in over 20 years he's still here...


Agreed, but his 20 years of critique have been mostly correct at every juncture. (If you remember the experience of waiting for Crystal Ball in 1998, you know why Bart was griping.)



His critique of the music is entirely personal and subjective. His opinions on other matters are debateable. Anyone who stays around for that long after enjoying an artists music likely has a personal grudge or problem. Even Prince's death hasn't softened him or caused him to give even the most begrudging respect.

Whatever, I'm looking forward to the Tidal album which is now rumoured to be a Phase 3 album with unreleased 2014-15 material (See recent Twin Cities article).
Reply #154 posted 05/23/18 10:43am

SchlomoThaHomo

I hope it’s Phase 3. If I Could Get Ur Attention and Free Urself (and even Stare) sound like they belong together. Maybe we’ll get a bit of Pangaea, Rumeta, Frida Kahlo, and whatever else there is of the “redefined” Minneapolis sound.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #155 posted 05/23/18 12:13pm

Marco81

FREEURSELF was supposed to be on the same album as RUFF ENUFF. I'm fairly confident Prince recorded its own solo version of RUFF ENUFF leaving the one that was released on Black is the New Black. Fingers crossed for Phase 3.

Reply #156 posted 05/23/18 12:50pm

OperatingThetan

Marco81 said:

FREEURSELF was supposed to be on the same album as RUFF ENUFF. I'm fairly confident Prince recorded its own solo version of RUFF ENUFF leaving the one that was released on Black is the New Black. Fingers crossed for Phase 3.



Yeah! I'm hopeful for that too.
Reply #157 posted 05/23/18 5:14pm

Lovejunky

Personally Id like to hear more of the

New Minneapolis sound Project

I just LOVE ...SHADES of UMBER

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #158 posted 05/23/18 5:35pm

luvsexy4all

Lovejunky said:

Personally Id like to hear more of the

New Minneapolis sound Project

I just LOVE ...SHADES of UMBER

liked he did with the synths as horns i n the 80's

Reply #159 posted 05/23/18 6:46pm

kookooman73

djThunderfunk said:

If it's not Hit & Run Phase 3, I vote for Welcome 2 America. If it's newly compiled, I vote to add the song Welcome 2  America. Just sayin'... I want that song. wink

Regardless, count me as happy to get some WB material in September and some post WB stuff next year. I want it all. My only issue at this point is I want at least one of each every year.



[Edited 5/12/18 7:19am]


I’m hoping for a continuation of the HNR releases as it’s possible he had a direct hand in picking the material for the next several albums.
However W2A is a great choice & would be a completed album. I love the song itself. A long lingering slow funk groove with great deep vocals from the ladies. It was a great opener for a couple of the US shows. Shame he lost interest in the entire project for reasons unknown.
Reply #160 posted 05/23/18 11:45pm

JorisE73

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I hope it’s Phase 3. If I Could Get Ur Attention and Free Urself (and even Stare) sound like they belong together. Maybe we’ll get a bit of Pangaea, Rumeta, Frida Kahlo, and whatever else there is of the “redefined” Minneapolis sound.


Me too, only to round the Hit 'n Run releases out. Get all the songs on there he put out online like 'Same Page, Different book' and all the other songs from that era.

Reply #161 posted 05/25/18 11:36pm

Strive

This is not a Prince compiled project. The estate and Jay-Z are making the tracklist. That was in the press release.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #162 posted 05/26/18 5:52am

OperatingThetan

Strive said:

This is not a Prince compiled project. The estate and Jay-Z are making the tracklist. That was in the press release.



That doesn't mean the Estate and Jay-Z aren't selecting from a batch of 2014-15 tracks intended for further HitnRun phases does it?

Prince himself tweeted that 'Free Urself' (a later track already available on Tidal) was intended for a future album release, sequenced alongside (his possibly solo version) of 'Ruff Enuff'.
Reply #163 posted 05/28/18 3:49pm

Dandroppedadime

I'd like all previous 'internet age' orphan songs/web only singles to be collected together.

Going right back to the stuff like One Song, Glass Cutter, Turn It Loose, etc.

Prince: Lost In The Digital Garden

But in this case just the most recently recorded/sequenced songs would be the best option (for now).

Reply #164 posted 06/04/18 9:38am

Se7en

It will be "new" Prince music regardless of what tracks Jay-Z and the Estate choose.

And, if you read the press release a certain way – This concludes the previously unresolved legal matters between The Prince Estate and TIDAL.might be the last thing TIDAL gets its hands on. Anything further after this release would be renegotiated with the Estate.

I'm not personally too worried about the song selection - we've had "cobbled together" releases from Prince himself in the past and never had a problem. As long as the songs are finished or close enough to finished that no further instrumentation is needed (only mastering).

What I'm most worried about is the potential tinkering/altering of tracks by whoever is compiling them (example: adding a guest star to a finished song in an attempt to jumpstart that new star's career).

Reply #165 posted 06/04/18 3:53pm

eyewishuheaven

Se7en said:


What I'm most worried about is the potential tinkering/altering of tracks by whoever is compiling them (example: adding a guest star to a finished song in an attempt to jumpstart that new star's career).


I'm principally a cd-buyer, but if they do that, I'll buy the proper Prince-only songs on iTunes and surgically avoid all such 'guest star' tracks.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #166 posted 06/04/18 4:54pm

luvsexy4all

Dandroppedadime said:

I'd like all previous 'internet age' orphan songs/web only singles to be collected together.

Going right back to the stuff like One Song, Glass Cutter, Turn It Loose, etc.

Prince: Lost In The Digital Garden

But in this case just the most recently recorded/sequenced songs would be the best option (for now).

that f'ing funk album with turn me loose....

Reply #167 posted 06/04/18 9:50pm

mikeyaddict

luvsexy4all said:

 



Dandroppedadime said:


I'd like all previous 'internet age' orphan songs/web only singles to be collected together.


Going right back to the stuff like One Song, Glass Cutter, Turn It Loose, etc.


Prince: Lost In The Digital Garden


 


But in this case just the most recently recorded/sequenced songs would be the best option (for now).


 



that f'ing funk album with turn me loose....



There are fan made compilations that have these all together. It’d be good for something like this as a bonus, but a shame to miss out on genuine new material for stuff already ‘available’ so to speak.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #168 posted 06/05/18 1:34pm

paisleypark4

BanishedBrian said:

OperatingThetan said:

ThirdStrike said: Bart was highly critical of Prince in his posts when I first joined prince.org in 1998. Despite apparently not enjoying a single Prince album or song in over 20 years he's still here...


Agreed, but his 20 years of critique have been mostly correct at every juncture. (If you remember the experience of waiting for Crystal Ball in 1998, you know why Bart was griping.)

Ya both still going on and on about some shit that happened in 1998? falloff

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #169 posted 06/06/18 7:42am

TrcikyChristopher

luvsexy4all said:

 



Dandroppedadime said:


I'd like all previous 'internet age' orphan songs/web only singles to be collected together.


Going right back to the stuff like One Song, Glass Cutter, Turn It Loose, etc.


Prince: Lost In The Digital Garden


 


But in this case just the most recently recorded/sequenced songs would be the best option (for now).


 



that f'ing funk album with turn me loose....


yeahthat
Supposedly it may have also included the ridiculously funky re-recording of "Sexy MF" as well. (Ok, maybe not the C+C Music Factory sample but the rest was crazy).
[Edited 6/6/18 7:43am]
[Edited 6/6/18 8:59am]
Reply #170 posted 06/07/18 9:43am

Silvertongue7

My guess, after learning about the WB release, is that this one will be the long-lost classic ‘The Million Dollar Experience’, which contains seven previously unreleased remixes of The Million Dollar Show. If you get the Deluxe edition (priced eponymously) you get a piece of A4 paper with the lyrics of the second verse.
It’s just a guess, but I so can see it happening!
Reply #171 posted 06/08/18 3:47am

Se7en

Imagine if TIDAL's release is Piano & A Microphone 2016 -- a direct response to WB's Piano & A Microphone 1983.

Black Is The New Black would be my choice for the TIDAL release.

Reply #172 posted 06/08/18 4:06am

OperatingThetan

Se7en said:

Imagine if TIDAL's release is Piano & A Microphone 2016 -- a direct response to WB's Piano & A Microphone 1983. 

Black Is The New Black would be my choice for the TIDAL release. 

 



The latest rumour from the Violet Reality (who were reliable with the latest release) was that 'Prince and the Band' was one of the songs being considered.
Reply #173 posted 06/08/18 7:09pm

babynoz

I would much rather have an album of unreleased post WB material than some hundred year old copy of a bootleg.

Maybe people who are more objective about Prince and not so biased toward one era will make better choices than so called Prince experts favored by the fammys.

I can only hope.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #174 posted 06/09/18 7:08am

PurpleSkipper58

Silvertongue7 said:

My guess, after learning about the WB release, is that this one will be the long-lost classic ‘The Million Dollar Experience’, which contains seven previously unreleased remixes of The Million Dollar Show. If you get the Deluxe edition (priced eponymously) you get a piece of A4 paper with the lyrics of the second verse.
It’s just a guess, but I so can see it happening!

I actually wouldn’t mind that.
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
Reply #175 posted 06/09/18 9:09am

PurpleLove7

moderator

Lovejunky said:

Personally Id like to hear more of the

New Minneapolis sound Project

I just LOVE ...SHADES of UMBER

I'd like to see this too, P did hint @ the 'Future' of muisc. AOA touched on that.

Peace ... & Stay Funky ...

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Reply #176 posted 06/09/18 2:12pm

Lovejunky

PurpleLove7 said:

Lovejunky said:

Personally Id like to hear more of the

New Minneapolis sound Project

I just LOVE ...SHADES of UMBER

I'd like to see this too, P did hint @ the 'Future' of muisc. AOA touched on that.

Amazing isnt it how Diverse he was even to the very end...

This sound , BIG ad Orchestral

complete with horns and strings..

and then on the other side what he was doing with Mono Neon...

stripped back, Crunchy FUNK...

Constantly challenging us to bend our musical ears...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #177 posted 06/10/18 5:11am

RODSERLING

I hope it Will be phase 3 too, with à tracklist and cover design more or less wanted by Prince.
.
Some people here hope some songs to be included- free urself, Ruff enough. Etc. I hope too. Never heard this songs.
.
But won t you be disappointed if they "only" release songs you already know, with maybe one or two really unreleased?
Reply #178 posted 06/10/18 10:41am

luvsexy4all

TrcikyChristopher said:

luvsexy4all said:

that f'ing funk album with turn me loose....

yeahthat Supposedly it may have also included the ridiculously funky re-recording of "Sexy MF" as well. (Ok, maybe not the C+C Music Factory sample but the rest was crazy). [Edited 6/6/18 7:43am] [Edited 6/6/18 8:59am]

and Prince and the Band

Reply #179 posted 06/11/18 12:37pm

AnnaSantana

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that WB said to Tidal "ya'll can have that post 90s crap, we want the 80s gold".
FUCK DONALD TRUMP
Reply #180 posted 06/11/18 12:57pm

OperatingThetan

AnnaSantana said:

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that WB said to Tidal "ya'll can have that post 90s crap, we want the 80s gold".


WB wouldn't have needed to say anything to Tidal. Prince was already in a working relationship with Tidal with his newer material and WB has no ownership. But you already knew that didn't you? You just wanted to make a shitty comment.

Of course, your opinion on Prince's post-Warners work is necessarily subjective. But I do wonder why people who perceive no value in two decades worth of Prince's material are even here.

I wonder what the public would be more interested in - the 1983 WB release of Prince noodling on the piano for 30 minutes or some of the best of his post-Warners material? Even I'm surprised to say it might be the later.

At the moment, WB has fools gold at best, considering the treasures available.
Reply #181 posted 06/11/18 3:34pm

kingricefan

I really don't feel that the general public is going to be interested in the 'new' release from 1983 of Prince alone at a piano. I certainly am, but the general public isn't going to be shouting from the rooftops about this release. I'll be surprised if it even sells 50,000 copies. They need to release the new songs and fast because the interest in his music is going to diminish over time if the releases are like the ones we've gotten since his death.

OperatingThetan said:

AnnaSantana said:
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that WB said to Tidal "ya'll can have that post 90s crap, we want the 80s gold".
WB wouldn't have needed to say anything to Tidal. Prince was already in a working relationship with Tidal with his newer material and WB has no ownership. But you already knew that didn't you? You just wanted to make a shitty comment. Of course, your opinion on Prince's post-Warners work is necessarily subjective. But I do wonder why people who perceive no value in two decades worth of Prince's material are even here. I wonder what the public would be more interested in - the 1983 WB release of Prince noodling on the piano for 30 minutes or some of the best of his post-Warners material? Even I'm surprised to say it might be the later. At the moment, WB has fools gold at best, considering the treasures available.

Reply #182 posted 06/12/18 1:07pm

luvsexy4all

we really shouldnt complain so much...we got tidal for newer songs...WB for old songs...and EYE for whatever

Reply #183 posted 06/14/18 10:42am

daqueria1998

biggrin cool yay!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to "the org", daqueria1998… open your heart, open your mind.
Reply #184 posted 06/14/18 11:53am

jaawwnn

OperatingThetan said:

AnnaSantana said:
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that WB said to Tidal "ya'll can have that post 90s crap, we want the 80s gold".
WB wouldn't have needed to say anything to Tidal. Prince was already in a working relationship with Tidal with his newer material and WB has no ownership. But you already knew that didn't you? You just wanted to make a shitty comment. Of course, your opinion on Prince's post-Warners work is necessarily subjective. But I do wonder why people who perceive no value in two decades worth of Prince's material are even here. I wonder what the public would be more interested in - the 1983 WB release of Prince noodling on the piano for 30 minutes or some of the best of his post-Warners material? Even I'm surprised to say it might be the later. At the moment, WB has fools gold at best, considering the treasures available.

based unscientifically on my extended friend group they would very much prefer Prince noodling at his piano in 1983.

I literally have people telling me that this new release will be "right up my alley" even though they only really know Purple Rain and maybe one other 80's album chosen at random in any real detail.

Reply #185 posted 06/14/18 12:44pm

OperatingThetan

jaawwnn said:

 



OperatingThetan said:


AnnaSantana said:
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that WB said to Tidal "ya'll can have that post 90s crap, we want the 80s gold".

WB wouldn't have needed to say anything to Tidal. Prince was already in a working relationship with Tidal with his newer material and WB has no ownership. But you already knew that didn't you? You just wanted to make a shitty comment. Of course, your opinion on Prince's post-Warners work is necessarily subjective. But I do wonder why people who perceive no value in two decades worth of Prince's material are even here. I wonder what the public would be more interested in - the 1983 WB release of Prince noodling on the piano for 30 minutes or some of the best of his post-Warners material? Even I'm surprised to say it might be the later. At the moment, WB has fools gold at best, considering the treasures available.

based unscientifically on my extended friend group they would very much prefer Prince noodling at his piano in 1983.

I literally have people telling me that this new release will be "right up my alley" even though they only really know Purple Rain and maybe one other 80's album chosen at random in any real detail.



To clarify, I'm very interested in Prince noodling on the piano in 1983 myself and think the vocal performance on 'Mary Don't You Weep' is amazing. That being said, I still consider it an odd choice as an opening salvo and even odder from Warner Brothers usually corporate mind-set in terms of marketing.

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