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Latin

Article: PRINCE And The Name Change

Check out the article published by A Pop Life entitled "Prince And The Name Change":

http://en.apoplife.nl/pri...me-change/
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Reply #1 posted 06/13/18 2:21pm

heymistermusic

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bow Thank you Latin! I read that ENTIRE article! I was always fascinated with that time period of his life.

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Reply #2 posted 06/13/18 2:42pm

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Interesting article. Thanks Latin!

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Reply #3 posted 06/14/18 1:18am

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Indeed, thanks.

He should have kept a low profile about it.
I never understood the bragging, "my ten next albums are going to sell 5 millions each".
SKipper had a BatCalculator that said "YES" to every one of Prince's business equations.
It's a Jobs Field of Distortion spreadsheet with all the cells tainted in shades of purple.

"Arrogance" indeed. I'm not crazy about these times. Talent never left, but the subjects in the songs are often self-centered.
It really is his "Me, Me" period, and honestly, you may like fashion, but it's not an industry that requires more ass-kissing, especially from a genius from this caliber, I found it obscene at the time, Rude Boy totally sold to the system, Anna Stesia a thousand light years from his thoughts. Prince and its relationship with money, you can't play your "I was smelling McDonald's from across the street" more than once in my book. Jamie Starr's a thief.

I'm glad for the rebel path that quickly followed and the NPG era, but with WB, like with all of his close relationships,
Prince never knew quite how to end them. It could be bad.

Prince probably thought he could put out three triple albums in a row,
and get his numbers according to the RIAA methods at the time.

But business-wise, the name change is still a fantastic move,
but the thing is, we aren't that many music lovers on the planet. We're a somewhat small market share.
With or without Warner, he was becoming self-referencing, expanding a universe
which is difficult to grasp if you haven't followed Prince's evolution.
Cleverness and originality are rarely popular. If they are, most of the time it's just the stars aligning.

And yet, all this mess gave us The Dawn and Exodus,
and one of the coolest logos ever,
so who's complaning.


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[Edited 6/14/18 1:26am]

[Edited 6/14/18 1:29am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #4 posted 06/14/18 11:04pm

Latin

Today, Omarr, Prince's brother, posted the article on Twitter.
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Reply #5 posted 06/16/18 8:02pm

heymistermusic

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I enjoyed his "symbol" days, and I love how it stuck with him after he changed back to PRINCE.

It got me to thinking of others who changed their name to some kind of symbol. The only one that comes to mind is:

? and the Mysterians

Can you think of any others? Before PRINCE, or after he changed his name to prince

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Reply #6 posted 06/16/18 11:33pm

bonatoc

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heymistermusic said:

I enjoyed his "symbol" days, and I love how it stuck with him after he changed back to PRINCE.

It got me to thinking of others who changed their name to some kind of symbol. The only one that comes to mind is:

? and the Mysterians

Can you think of any others? Before PRINCE, or after he changed his name to prince


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Heavy Metal bands were very graphic too.
Iron Maiden introduced the concept of a band's mascot/alter ego.

For over 35 years the band have been supported by their famous mascot, "Eddie", who has appeared on almost all of their album and single covers, as well as in their live shows.

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So it's not like the public wasn't prepared for a graphic-only representation of a band or artist : see the logos of ACDC, Kiss, ...

But Prince had the media platform of the nineties to make it public and widespread.

Heck, even Led Zeppelin did it before Prince.


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The original four symbols were created by Led Zeppelin in 1971, probably from the following sources:

  • 1. Jimmy Page's Zoso symbol from a sigil for Saturn from page 51 of an 1850 reprint of a 1521 French book Dragon Rouge and Poulet Noire (The Red Dragon and The Black Hen); also seen on page 31 of Frinellan's 1844 book Le Triple Vocabulaire Infernal Manuel du Demonomane. A variation of the symbol also appears in Jerome Cardan's 1557 book De rerum varietate (page 789 of this 1580 reprint).
  • 2. John Paul Jones' symbol (non-interlaced triquetra overlaying a circle) is from page 33 of Rudolf Koch's 1930 book The Book of Signs (Koch died in 1934) where it is annotated as a sign "to exorcise evil spirits".
  • 3. John Bonham's symbol (three intersecting circles) is from page 32 of the same book by Rudolf Koch, given as an "early sign for the Trinity".
  • 4. Plant's feather symbol is likely a simple merging of two symbols from the "Feather Symbol of Truth" illustration on page 105 of James Churchward's 1933 book The Sacred Symbols of Mu (Churchward died in 1936)



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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #7 posted 06/19/18 3:37am

Latin

heymistermusic said:

bow Thank you Latin! I read that ENTIRE article! I was always fascinated with that time period of his life.


You are very welcome. smile
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Reply #8 posted 06/19/18 11:25pm

pcowley

Latin said:

Check out the article published by A Pop Life entitled "Prince And The Name Change": http://en.apoplife.nl/pri...me-change/

prince was prince from 1993-1999 pretty much. I prefer the name prince more than Prince (yes no joke)

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Reply #9 posted 06/20/18 12:33am

EmmaMcG

pcowley said:



Latin said:


Check out the article published by A Pop Life entitled "Prince And The Name Change": http://en.apoplife.nl/pri...me-change/

prince was prince from 1993-1999 pretty much. I prefer the name prince more than Prince (yes no joke)



That's because you're deranged :-D

I love Prince's music as much as the next fan but pretty much everything he did was for publicity including changing his name. He can go on TV and pretend it was for any other reason but the truth is that he was becoming irrelevant at that time and needed to do something that would keep his name (or symbol) in the papers and it worked. "My claim to fame is scandal" is a quote from this period.
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Reply #10 posted 06/22/18 10:38pm

Latin

The New Power Generation has posted this article on Twitter.
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Reply #11 posted 06/23/18 4:11am

bonatoc

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EmmaMcG said:

pcowley said:

prince was prince from 1993-1999 pretty much. I prefer the name prince more than Prince (yes no joke)


That's because you're deranged biggrin

I love Prince's music as much as the next fan but pretty much everything he did was for publicity including changing his name.


He can go on TV and pretend it was for any other reason but the truth is that he was becoming irrelevant at that time and needed to do something that would keep his name (or symbol) in the papers and it worked.

"My claim to fame is scandal" is a quote from this period.


It extended beyond that. Sure, it was a genius move, but you lack history my friend.
This is first and foremost a business move, not just a P.R. one.
Did you read the article?

And to deny the spiritual that all started it, is to deny Prince from songs like "Gold".
The more I think about it, the more I understand it this way: WB could still claim large royalties
in the eighties, when they were advancing studio locks in large amounts, it was of course
more expensive to produce Prince's music than selling it.

If you record ten albums in a year, but I only have a year and a half (plus tour) to promote just one,
it's already a too fast-paced marketing cycle for a standard major record company.

Prince was rightly starting to be pissed off, since now he was producing his music
with no external studios, no extra commodities, he was designing and planning the tours,
no studio sessions sharks to pay, almost nothing to planify, a whole crew on his payroll
and Prince also has its looks and visuals already made,
and the major still gets the same piece of cake it always did?
I don't think so.

Prince knew that eventually his back-catalog would be worth 200 million records sold,
so he was right and before his passing; WB just lacked faith in the long term,
which already was turning into a last century thing.

Prince was a very hard act to promote,
you have to approach him from many angles, and WB got lazy.
And chicken.

Prince was moving too fast, and it's his artistry that was in the balance,
not the morning papers.
By changing his name,
he knew he had to go back to the drawing table.
He had to deal with a possible ridicule, but it never happened, except for not
not-so-funny SNL skits. Why? Because he was still kicking ass,
even when indulging in rockabilly (very minnesotan, in a way),
it was so insanely fucking great, sexy, very clever in the fifties reference,
and flowing naturally more than ever.
It's the talent at hand that's incredible,
and no paper could properly describe that.
Your cortex either feels it or doesn't. Fuck them P.R.'s, they always eat what they're fed.
Unreliable persons, trust me.

The symbol you don't pronounce is a reinvention for his daily life as well.
The crews around him don't know how to call him and he's having a blast at it, the serial prankster.

As for ethics, because your implying of it being a business move means the music doesn't mean much,
it was his rebirth: Power chords, no 7th/9/m3rd bullshit, no more precious delicate funk,
Marshall to eleven and fuck'em, I got my own studio and enough juice
to open my own shop. I'll show them.

It took titanium purple balls (ouch the splits, damn U cannibal audiences!)
to deal with the ridicule, that got away so fast when Guitarist Magazine,
Bass Magazine, everyone who knew their shit knew that Prince was on fucking fire.
What ridicule? With each year passing we were slowly getting Prince's move,
the more he was speaking about business practices the more deafening was the silence
from the majors, all of them.


We never got pissed Prince, before, I'll have you. It's important. It's Act II of his career.
And at his most pissed, he still did it with the uttermost elegance.

It was a Jamie Starr kind of rage, the lack of implication of Warner.
Of course to some deaf inheritance bozo at the board
he's gonna just look like some extravagant expense
the major could instead transform into stocks.

He was fucking great, a Dirty Mind again, drenched in Liberace decadence,
the Lone Axe Pompadour with the amp that goes to 11, Mayte... and you can't mention Mayte without thinking
about what could have been without the pain that got a bulldozer running over both their hearts.



It took also Prince and no one else, not to be pissed at God after that,
and become bitter and shit, not to mention a bullet in the head.
Titanium Purple Balls†™©®, my friend.


All I'm saying is, don't take the Symbol too lightly, my friend.
It's Prince's life we're talking about here.
Try to put yourself in his shoes.
But they're probably so high, etc.



[Edited 6/23/18 5:05am]

[Edited 6/23/18 5:06am]

[Edited 6/23/18 5:07am]

[Edited 6/23/18 5:12am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #12 posted 06/23/18 5:49am

EmmaMcG

bonatoc said:



EmmaMcG said:


pcowley said:


prince was prince from 1993-1999 pretty much. I prefer the name prince more than Prince (yes no joke)




That's because you're deranged biggrin

I love Prince's music as much as the next fan but pretty much everything he did was for publicity including changing his name.


He can go on TV and pretend it was for any other reason but the truth is that he was becoming irrelevant at that time and needed to do something that would keep his name (or symbol) in the papers and it worked.

"My claim to fame is scandal" is a quote from this period.


It extended beyond that. Sure, it was a genius move, but you lack history my friend.
This is first and foremost a business move, not just a P.R. one.
Did you read the article?

And to deny the spiritual that all started it, is to deny Prince from songs like "Gold".
The more I think about it, the more I understand it this way: WB could still claim large royalties
in the eighties, when they were advancing studio locks in large amounts, it was of course
more expensive to produce Prince's music than selling it.

If you record ten albums in a year, but I only have a year and a half (plus tour) to promote just one,
it's already a too fast-paced marketing cycle for a standard major record company.

Prince was rightly starting to be pissed off, since now he was producing his music
with no external studios, no extra commodities, he was designing and planning the tours,
no studio sessions sharks to pay, almost nothing to planify, a whole crew on his payroll
and Prince also has its looks and visuals already made,
and the major still gets the same piece of cake it always did?
I don't think so.

Prince knew that eventually his back-catalog would be worth 200 million records sold,
so he was right and before his passing; WB just lacked faith in the long term,
which already was turning into a last century thing.

Prince was a very hard act to promote,
you have to approach him from many angles, and WB got lazy.
And chicken.

Prince was moving too fast, and it's his artistry that was in the balance,
not the morning papers.
By changing his name,
he knew he had to go back to the drawing table.
He had to deal with a possible ridicule, but it never happened, except for not
not-so-funny SNL skits. Why? Because he was still kicking ass,
even when indulging in rockabilly (very minnesotan, in a way),
it was so insanely fucking great, sexy, very clever in the fifties reference,
and flowing naturally more than ever.
It's the talent at hand that's incredible,
and no paper could properly describe that.
Your cortex either feels it or doesn't. Fuck them P.R.'s, they always eat what they're fed.
Unreliable persons, trust me.

The symbol you don't pronounce is a reinvention for his daily life as well.
The crews around him don't know how to call him and he's having a blast at it, the serial prankster.

As for ethics, because your implying of it being a business move means the music doesn't mean much,
it was his rebirth: Power chords, no 7th/9/m3rd bullshit, no more precious delicate funk,
Marshall to eleven and fuck'em, I got my own studio and enough juice
to open my own shop. I'll show them.

It took titanium purple balls (ouch the splits, damn U cannibal audiences!)
to deal with the ridicule, that got away so fast when Guitarist Magazine,
Bass Magazine, everyone who knew their shit knew that Prince was on fucking fire.
What ridicule? With each year passing we were slowly getting Prince's move,
the more he was speaking about business practices the more deafening was the silence
from the majors, all of them.


We never got pissed Prince, before, I'll have you. It's important. It's Act II of his career.
And at his most pissed, he still did it with the uttermost elegance.

It was a Jamie Starr kind of rage, the lack of implication of Warner.
Of course to some deaf inheritance bozo at the board
he's gonna just look like some extravagant expense
the major could instead transform into stocks.

He was fucking great, a Dirty Mind again, drenched in Liberace decadence,
the Lone Axe Pompadour with the amp that goes to 11, Mayte... and you can't mention Mayte without thinking
about what could have been without the pain that got a bulldozer running over both their hearts.



It took also Prince and no one else, not to be pissed at God after that,
and become bitter and shit, not to mention a bullet in the head.
Titanium Purple Balls†™©®, my friend.


All I'm saying is, don't take the Symbol too lightly, my friend.
It's Prince's life we're talking about here.
Try to put yourself in his shoes.
But they're probably so high, etc.




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[Edited 6/23/18 5:06am]


[Edited 6/23/18 5:07am]

[Edited 6/23/18 5:12am]



That's a lot of words to say very little
:-D

The fact is, his record sales were dwindling, he was falling from the public eye and outside of his die hard fans, nobody cared. His live shows were still the best around but this was before the Musicology era, when he still cared about what people thought of his new music. He wanted people to hear it and to buy it. The name change thing was all about the money he would get from the publicity it generated. There is no such thing as bad publicity. He knew that if the papers were writing articles about how ridiculous he was for changing his name to a symbol that people would read it and get curious about how this new version of Prince sounded on record. Prince loved 4 things above all else. Publicity, money, music and women. The name change gave him instant access to the first two and gave him an excuse to branch out with the third.

Prince was not some mystical being. He was human. He was a brilliant musician who sometimes crossed the line to genius musician, but at the end of the day he was still only human. The name change was never really about any spiritual change or anything like that. It was about money and publicity. Two things every single person in the entertainment industry prize above all else.
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bonatoc

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Oh, I get it. Don't get blisters on your fingers.
You're the cartesian type. You're not the first to judge Prince by what-if-I-was-his-manager.
You're the Human Resources type. You know business more than us who worked for labels.
Enlighten us.

Prince loved 4 things above all else. Publicity, money, music and women.
The name change gave him instant access to the first two and gave him an excuse to branch out with the third.


Holy fuck, I feel renewed.
A revelation indeed.

I think I'm gonna have myself a name change.
On second thought, nevermind. You've probably mistaken the org for your psychoanalyst's couch.
That's your order of priorities.
You have no voice in claming it was Prince's,
other than babbling from thou Publicity high heels.


[Edited 6/23/18 7:13am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Holy schmoly, "an excuse to branch out with the third", someone stop me,
I feel a harsher bash coming up.


[Edited 6/23/18 7:15am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #15 posted 06/23/18 7:24am

EmmaMcG

bonatoc said:

Oh, I get it. Don't get blisters on your fingers.
You're the cartesian type. You're not the first to judge Prince by what-if-I-was-his-manager.
You're the Human Resources type. You know business more than us who worked for labels.
Enlighten us.



Prince loved 4 things above all else. Publicity, money, music and women.
The name change gave him instant access to the first two and gave him an excuse to branch out with the third.






Holy fuck, I feel renewed.
A revelation indeed.

I think I'm gonna have myself a name change.
On second thought, nevermind. You've probably mistaken the org for your psychoanalyst's couch.
That's your order of priorities.
You have no voice in claming it was Prince's, other than thou Publicity high heels.


[Edited 6/23/18 7:11am]



I don't know if you're being so pretentious because it's some sort of sad gimmick you use for the org or if this is actually your true personality but either way, it's entertaining. Keep it up.

I'm not the Human Resources type though. I was signed to ZTT Records for 7 years and also worked with Sony Music through Syco Entertainment. So I DO actually have a bit of an insight into the minds of recording artists and, in my experience, they all share a love of money and publicity. Why would you assume Prince would be any different? Because he claimed to be above it all? And you believed that? That says more about you than me.

But you don't need a name change. You're pretentious enough as you are. Besides, nobody would care if you changed your name.
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Well have it your way then.
Still, I can think of a bunch of other professions that bring publicity and money.
I don't think you got the third quite right, but hey, diff'rent folks.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #17 posted 06/23/18 6:19pm

kmama07

bonatoc said:



EmmaMcG said:


pcowley said:


prince was prince from 1993-1999 pretty much. I prefer the name prince more than Prince (yes no joke)




That's because you're deranged biggrin

I love Prince's music as much as the next fan but pretty much everything he did was for publicity including changing his name.


He can go on TV and pretend it was for any other reason but the truth is that he was becoming irrelevant at that time and needed to do something that would keep his name (or symbol) in the papers and it worked.

"My claim to fame is scandal" is a quote from this period.


It extended beyond that. Sure, it was a genius move, but you lack history my friend.
This is first and foremost a business move, not just a P.R. one.
Did you read the article?

And to deny the spiritual that all started it, is to deny Prince from songs like "Gold".
The more I think about it, the more I understand it this way: WB could still claim large royalties
in the eighties, when they were advancing studio locks in large amounts, it was of course
more expensive to produce Prince's music than selling it.

If you record ten albums in a year, but I only have a year and a half (plus tour) to promote just one,
it's already a too fast-paced marketing cycle for a standard major record company.

Prince was rightly starting to be pissed off, since now he was producing his music
with no external studios, no extra commodities, he was designing and planning the tours,
no studio sessions sharks to pay, almost nothing to planify, a whole crew on his payroll
and Prince also has its looks and visuals already made,
and the major still gets the same piece of cake it always did?
I don't think so.

Prince knew that eventually his back-catalog would be worth 200 million records sold,
so he was right and before his passing; WB just lacked faith in the long term,
which already was turning into a last century thing.

Prince was a very hard act to promote,
you have to approach him from many angles, and WB got lazy.
And chicken.

Prince was moving too fast, and it's his artistry that was in the balance,
not the morning papers.
By changing his name,
he knew he had to go back to the drawing table.
He had to deal with a possible ridicule, but it never happened, except for not
not-so-funny SNL skits. Why? Because he was still kicking ass,
even when indulging in rockabilly (very minnesotan, in a way),
it was so insanely fucking great, sexy, very clever in the fifties reference,
and flowing naturally more than ever.
It's the talent at hand that's incredible,
and no paper could properly describe that.
Your cortex either feels it or doesn't. Fuck them P.R.'s, they always eat what they're fed.
Unreliable persons, trust me.

The symbol you don't pronounce is a reinvention for his daily life as well.
The crews around him don't know how to call him and he's having a blast at it, the serial prankster.

As for ethics, because your implying of it being a business move means the music doesn't mean much,
it was his rebirth: Power chords, no 7th/9/m3rd bullshit, no more precious delicate funk,
Marshall to eleven and fuck'em, I got my own studio and enough juice
to open my own shop. I'll show them.

It took titanium purple balls (ouch the splits, damn U cannibal audiences!)
to deal with the ridicule, that got away so fast when Guitarist Magazine,
Bass Magazine, everyone who knew their shit knew that Prince was on fucking fire.
What ridicule? With each year passing we were slowly getting Prince's move,
the more he was speaking about business practices the more deafening was the silence
from the majors, all of them.


We never got pissed Prince, before, I'll have you. It's important. It's Act II of his career.
And at his most pissed, he still did it with the uttermost elegance.

It was a Jamie Starr kind of rage, the lack of implication of Warner.
Of course to some deaf inheritance bozo at the board
he's gonna just look like some extravagant expense
the major could instead transform into stocks.

He was fucking great, a Dirty Mind again, drenched in Liberace decadence,
the Lone Axe Pompadour with the amp that goes to 11, Mayte... and you can't mention Mayte without thinking
about what could have been without the pain that got a bulldozer running over both their hearts.



It took also Prince and no one else, not to be pissed at God after that,
and become bitter and shit, not to mention a bullet in the head.
Titanium Purple Balls†™©®, my friend.


All I'm saying is, don't take the Symbol too lightly, my friend.
It's Prince's life we're talking about here.
Try to put yourself in his shoes.
But they're probably so high, etc.




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[Edited 6/23/18 5:06am]


[Edited 6/23/18 5:07am]

[Edited 6/23/18 5:12am]


Side note : I love your eloquent writing style.
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