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Reply #150 posted 06/28/18 8:48pm

bboy87

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

daingermouz2020 said:

What's the purpose of re releasing albums. I'd prefer they release 35 unreleased albums.

Exactly! I'll be damned if I'm buying music again, that I bought a few times over already. hmph!

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again lol

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Reply #151 posted 06/28/18 10:53pm

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bboy87 said:



HatrinaHaterwitz said:




daingermouz2020 said:


What's the purpose of re releasing albums. I'd prefer they release 35 unreleased albums.


Exactly! I'll be damned if I'm buying music again, that I bought a few times over already. hmph!



1. Making the albums more available


2. New fans


3. You know you gon' buy 'em again lol




I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music.
Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi.

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Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore.
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The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone.
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I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.
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Reply #152 posted 06/28/18 10:55pm

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bboy87 said:



HatrinaHaterwitz said:




daingermouz2020 said:


What's the purpose of re releasing albums. I'd prefer they release 35 unreleased albums.


Exactly! I'll be damned if I'm buying music again, that I bought a few times over already. hmph!



1. Making the albums more available


2. New fans


3. You know you gon' buy 'em again lol




I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music.
Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi.

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Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore.
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The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone.
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I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.
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Reply #153 posted 06/28/18 11:28pm

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RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I guess you missed the part where I explained that I don't want (or need) it enough to order it and pay shipping charges, only to find out when I get it if it really is tracked.

Every copy for 15 years has been tracked? Cool. I haven't seen many copies of that album in a store in the last 15 years and the ones I did see did not state on the cover that they were tracked. And again, since I made my own, I don't want or need a tracked copy bad enough to buy one and wait till I get home to find out if it's tracked or not.

When I see it, in a store, for retail or less, AND, I know for sure it is tracked, I will buy it. Until then, I have the original CD, I have my tracked CDR and I don't even play those... I play my digital rip.


You are a very complicated Man living in à strange World. Every Lovesexy cd is now tracked, no need to mention it on the cover.


"Complicated"... lol

Seems pretty simple to me. wink

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Reply #154 posted 06/28/18 11:48pm

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RODSERLING said:

bboy87 said:

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again lol

I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music. Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi. . Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore. . The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone. . I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.

Is that what's been said or what you're speculating?

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Reply #155 posted 06/28/18 11:50pm

Strive

Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market.

These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time.

If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200.
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Reply #156 posted 06/29/18 12:15am

love2thenines2
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From contact at Sony

No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Thanx 2 Elvis. And Yaz for the info...u know who u are!
[Edited 6/29/18 0:49am]
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Reply #157 posted 06/29/18 12:20am

udo

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feeluupp said:

That's cause you live in Europe...

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Did somebody live under a rock for a few decades?

We live on a globalised planet.

For music we have imports going around the globe.

If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.

Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.

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Reply #158 posted 06/29/18 12:37am

feeluupp

udo said:

feeluupp said:

That's cause you live in Europe...

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Did somebody live under a rock for a few decades?

We live on a globalised planet.

For music we have imports going around the globe.

If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.

Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.

Naw, don't just pick one sentence in my post to point something out and neglect the rest. Re read the post...

Has nothing to do with what you just wrote.

Rod didn't know Lovesexy wasn't tracked on CD just because he lives in Europe and it was released as a tracked CD there... I simply stated Lovesexy wasn't originally released as a tracked CD in the U.S. back in '88 as Prince originally intended it to be.

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Reply #159 posted 06/29/18 12:38am

feeluupp

Strive said:

Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market. These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time. If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200. [Edited 6/29/18 0:22am]

Only ROD will point that out, as usual...

Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did... lol lol

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Reply #160 posted 06/29/18 12:42am

feeluupp

love2thenines2003 said:

From contact at Sony No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Your "contact" at Sony... Right... lol

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Reply #161 posted 06/29/18 12:55am

LRC69

feeluupp said:

love2thenines2003 said:

From contact at Sony No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Your "contact" at Sony... Right... lol

It's true...


This information comes from the boss of Sony Legacy Recordings France; no physical outputs for a year or more, only digital for now.

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Reply #162 posted 06/29/18 12:55am

love2thenines2
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feeluupp said:



love2thenines2003 said:


From contact at Sony No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!



Your "contact" at Sony... Right... lol



Not mine...u READ wrong...i did not write MY CONTACT... other persons in the know will confirm this details I guess soon HERE!
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Reply #163 posted 06/29/18 5:21am

TrevorAyer

Don’t forget pr deluxe sounded like shit ... not only the brickwalled remaster, the outtakes were sourced from cassette with a serious botch on our destiny and painful eq overall, unfinished versions and burried in a 4 disk set with lazy packaging.

Sourced from the vault in pristine quality with final instead of early mixes with a decent eq and packaging ... disk 2 could have been a must have release ... the hype was more about the awful remaster than the outtakes ... everybody already bought purple rain again when he died ... just too many all around bad decisions .. but that is consistent with todays music industry level of intelligence and taste
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Reply #164 posted 06/29/18 6:23am

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in other words: zzz


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #165 posted 06/29/18 6:24am

databank

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jjam said:

databank said:

Some of those are still, and are likely to remain, WB property (The Time, the 6's and Sheila in particular).

Most of the other Paisley Park label releases belong to the estate, though.

Another forum member Mintchip has mentioned the following in the Associated Artists forum re the recent usage of Vanity 6's "Nasty Girl" on TV - Interesting credit on Rupaul's Drag Race: "Courtesy of the Prince Estate".

That's odd. I have no explaination for this.

I know from the copyright notices of their albums on streaming sites that the rights for The Time and Sheila E. haven't reverted to Prince in 2014.

The 6's I cannot tell for sure as they're not on streaming services. It's possible that Prince somehow managed to get the masters back for those. I just assumed he hadn't.

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Reply #166 posted 06/29/18 7:13am

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udo said:

feeluupp said:

That's cause you live in Europe...

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Did somebody live under a rock for a few decades?

We live on a globalised planet.

For music we have imports going around the globe.

If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.

Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.


lol Yeah, I've bought MANY European imports. They've ALWAYS been expensive... And as I keep explaining, I don't "really need" a tracked Lovesexy, BUT, if I see one CHEAP, at a STORE, and KNOW FOR SURE IT IS TRACKED, then, and only then, will I feel compelled to buy it.


Sheeeesh. I guess it is "complicated". lol

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Reply #167 posted 06/29/18 8:54am

timmie

I just want to know the specific 35 titles - count is just slightly off no matter how you try it. lol

At a minimum it'll all be out there streaming for sure - kept alive and available - that's a good thing !

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Reply #168 posted 06/29/18 12:20pm

mmart2008

Well done the estate, get as much money as you can because, who is going to buy any of this stuff? I have pretty much everything he released so won't be buying any of it again. A lot of his latter stuff I bought more out of hope, than anything else. Most of the time I played it once or twice and then put it back in the box. Prince Live, was usually better than on record in the end.

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Reply #169 posted 06/29/18 12:34pm

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mmart2008 said:

Well done the estate, get as much money as you can because, who is going to buy any of this stuff? I have pretty much everything he released so won't be buying any of it again. A lot of his latter stuff I bought more out of hope, than anything else. Most of the time I played it once or twice and then put it back in the box. Prince Live, was usually better than on record in the end.

This deal is not all about U. It's about who hasn't heard Prince's later post WBR material and gaining newer fans in a new generation for years to come. disbelief

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #170 posted 06/29/18 12:36pm

luvsexy4all

but will they have bonus b-sides and remixes? a remastered lovesexy with 12" b-sides would be great

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Reply #171 posted 06/29/18 1:07pm

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bboy87 said:

I'm reading this thread....where does it say that Sony isn't going to release the albums physically as some members stated/speculated?

[Edited 6/28/18 19:06pm]



They didn't exactly SAY it... but there is history: about 4 years ago, Sony got the rights to most of Van Morrison's huge catalog. Except for a 2 CD hits set, and a classic live album expanded, none of the other albums received a CD release... but they all turned up on Spotify (and probably other services as well)
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Reply #172 posted 06/29/18 2:20pm

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So, to sum it up, at least for the time being, Sony will NOT be distributing 35 previously released albums.... they'll simply be licensing various streaming outlets to carry them?


lol lol lol

Why the hell would the estate need Sony to do that for them? If there are not actually CDs and LPs being produced and distributed then what does Sony have to offer in this deal?

If the companies in this industry can't figure out how to make money providing the fans with what we want then they deserve their impending irrelevence. Just sayin'...

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #173 posted 06/29/18 2:31pm

feeluupp

djThunderfunk said:

So, to sum it up, at least for the time being, Sony will NOT be distributing 35 previously released albums.... they'll simply be licensing various streaming outlets to carry them?


lol lol lol

Why the hell would the estate need Sony to do that for them? If there are not actually CDs and LPs being produced and distributed then what does Sony have to offer in this deal?

If the companies in this industry can't figure out how to make money providing the fans with what we want then they deserve their impending irrelevence. Just sayin'...

So confused by this... What about all the albums already on at TIDAL. They said they are starting with TGE first but to do what? It's already up on TIDAL and other streaming platforms...

TGE, CHAOS & DISORDER, THE TRUTH, THE VAULT, RAVE IN2, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN, XPECTATION, N.E.W.S. THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE, THE CHOCOLATE INVASION, CNOTE, PLANET EARTH, INDIGO NIGHT, LOTUSFLOW3R, 20TEN, NEWPOWERSOUL, THE EXODUS, GIRL 6, 1800 NEW FUNK are all on TIDAL...

[Edited 6/29/18 14:32pm]

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Reply #174 posted 06/29/18 3:21pm

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bboy87 said:



RODSERLING said:


bboy87 said:


1. Making the albums more available


2. New fans


3. You know you gon' buy 'em again lol




I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music. Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi. . Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore. . The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone. . I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.

Is that what's been said or what you're speculating?



What I m speculating from the sales of the PR deluxe édition, and the lack of réaction from both the estate and Warner
[Edited 6/29/18 15:34pm]
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Reply #175 posted 06/29/18 3:28pm

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Strive said:

Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market.

These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time.

If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200.
[Edited 6/29/18 0:22am]


No, you re wrong. I already quoted my sources some weeks ago. The 1st week of sales, PR deluxe sold about 35.000 copies ( both 2cd +3cd version), and 17.000 copies of the regular album ( cd+ vinyl+ streaming).
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In 2017 it sold only 81.000 copies in the Us, and something like 50.00 more worldwide.
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Sgt Peppers 2017 was a tremendous success worldwide, selling more than 300.000 copies in the Us alone in 2017, despite the lack of unreleased tracks and that it was priced higher than PR deluxe.
[Edited 6/29/18 15:47pm]
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Reply #176 posted 06/29/18 3:29pm

RODSERLING

love2thenines2003 said:

From contact at Sony

No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Thanx 2 Elvis. And Yaz for the info...u know who u are!
[Edited 6/29/18 0:49am]


Another proof that I was right. Highly predictable. They won t release deluxe éditions, as I told you all, this Can t be an option.
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Reply #177 posted 06/29/18 3:32pm

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feeluupp said:



udo said:




feeluupp said:


That's cause you live in Europe...



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Did somebody live under a rock for a few decades?


We live on a globalised planet.


For music we have imports going around the globe.


If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.


Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.




Naw, don't just pick one sentence in my post to point something out and neglect the rest. Re read the post...



Has nothing to do with what you just wrote.



Rod didn't know Lovesexy wasn't tracked on CD just because he lives in Europe and it was released as a tracked CD there... I simply stated Lovesexy wasn't originally released as a tracked CD in the U.S. back in '88 as Prince originally inytended it to be.



My first copie of Lovesexy, bought in France, wasn t tracked.
Second time I bought it, it was tracked.
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Reply #178 posted 06/29/18 3:34pm

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TrevorAyer said:

Don’t forget pr deluxe sounded like shit ... not only the brickwalled remaster, the outtakes were sourced from cassette with a serious botch on our destiny and painful eq overall, unfinished versions and burried in a 4 disk set with lazy packaging.

Sourced from the vault in pristine quality with final instead of early mixes with a decent eq and packaging ... disk 2 could have been a must have release ... the hype was more about the awful remaster than the outtakes ... everybody already bought purple rain again when he died ... just too many all around bad decisions .. but that is consistent with todays music industry level of intelligence and taste


That s bullshit. The unreleased tracks on PR deluxe sounds great, this is the best offer you Can find on the market.
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Reply #179 posted 06/29/18 3:46pm

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feeluupp said:



Strive said:


Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market. These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time. If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200. [Edited 6/29/18 0:22am]


Only ROD will point that out, as usual...






Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did... lol lol



By the Way I was right. In his lifetime, Prince never reached the Billboard 200 again with à new album. That was the deal and you know it.
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I could have never predicted his death two years After. Him alive, he would have never allowed his music on Spotify.
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Since his death, Prince only ranked in the charts his already released albums and greatest Hits. Nothing new.
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This is not going to change, since neither Sony nor Warner wants to release à studio album with new material.
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So my prédiction is still correct, and Will stay that Way à long, long time I m afraid.
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By the Way, what do you think that I was the first here to deduce the Sony deal was about dematerialised-only music? When everybody was talking about physical re-release, expanded éditions and unreleased tracks?
[Edited 6/29/18 15:51pm]
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