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HollywoodSt

Do you think Nile would have introduced Prince to Daft Punk?

Always wondered with Daft Punk going into a more “real music” style with Random Access Memories and as Prince knew Niles, if things had been different do you think Prince may have eventually worked with them?
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Reply #1 posted 11/07/18 4:53am

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Only if they love God and were female and under 25.

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Only if they love God and were female and under 25.

lol lol lol

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Reply #3 posted 11/07/18 6:22am

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Doubt it, Prince preferred to work with people where he could still control the situation I think,

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Reply #4 posted 11/07/18 8:06am

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Sometimes I wonder how much alleged fans know Prince's methodology. How many people did he work with in the studio and release material? How many big whopping duets and collaborations can you list? A few on Rave? There isn't some huge list of the Stones, Motley Crue, Led Zeppelin people... God you can name anyone and it's just not what happens. So to randomly pick Daft Punk is as relevant as picking Britney Spears or Maroon 5.

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TrivialPursuit said:

Sometimes I wonder how much alleged fans know Prince's methodology. How many people did he work with in the studio and release material? How many big whopping duets and collaborations can you list? A few on Rave? There isn't some huge list of the Stones, Motley Crue, Led Zeppelin people... God you can name anyone and it's just not what happens. So to randomly pick Daft Punk is as relevant as picking Britney Spears or Maroon 5.


I think the word you're looking for is arbitrary, not relevant. However, I wouldn't put Daft Punk anywhere near the same category as Maroon 5 or Britney Spears. It wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility for him to check out Daft Punk, especially if Niles had introduced them. Nouveau is right though, Prince would have told them exactly what to do and when to do it if they worked together.
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Reply #6 posted 11/07/18 9:57am

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jaawwnn said:

Only if they love God and were female and under 25.

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Reply #7 posted 11/07/18 1:04pm

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However, I wouldn't put Daft Punk anywhere near the same category as Maroon 5 or Britney Spears. It wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility for him to check out Daft Punk, especially if Niles had introduced them. Nouveau is right though, Prince would have told them exactly what to do and when to do it if they worked together.


And the fact that Daft Punk has people record stuff over and over, then literally cut and paste it all together would drive Prince nuts. Pharrell talked about recording vocals for "Get Lucky" a lot, then they took one line here, one line there and put it together as one coherent song. While I get replacing bits here and there, it seems a good deal of fakery to cut and paste 5-second clips together to make one great song. The beauty of Prince's music is that often times he just rolled through it, got the best take possible to him, and that was it. Now, that may have been once or ten times, but it was a much more organic way in recording music. Even Madonna always favored the first or second take, using rougher (sometimes demo) vocals instead of singing it a dozen times to perfect it.

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TrivialPursuit said:

luv2tha99s said:

However, I wouldn't put Daft Punk anywhere near the same category as Maroon 5 or Britney Spears. It wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility for him to check out Daft Punk, especially if Niles had introduced them. Nouveau is right though, Prince would have told them exactly what to do and when to do it if they worked together.


And the fact that Daft Punk has people record stuff over and over, then literally cut and paste it all together would drive Prince nuts. Pharrell talked about recording vocals for "Get Lucky" a lot, then they took one line here, one line there and put it together as one coherent song. While I get replacing bits here and there, it seems a good deal of fakery to cut and paste 5-second clips together to make one great song. The beauty of Prince's music is that often times he just rolled through it, got the best take possible to him, and that was it. Now, that may have been once or ten times, but it was a much more organic way in recording music. Even Madonna always favored the first or second take, using rougher (sometimes demo) vocals instead of singing it a dozen times to perfect it.


I'm imagining what would have happened if Prince had recorded the drums for the first four tracks of Parade in one take (which is exactly what he did) and someone chopped them up and rearranged them. shake

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Reply #9 posted 11/07/18 4:05pm

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I'm imagining what would have happened if Prince had recorded the drums for the first four tracks of Parade in one take (which is exactly what he did) and someone chopped them up and rearranged them. shake


Can you even imagine?!

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Reply #10 posted 11/07/18 4:57pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

luv2tha99s said:

However, I wouldn't put Daft Punk anywhere near the same category as Maroon 5 or Britney Spears. It wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility for him to check out Daft Punk, especially if Niles had introduced them. Nouveau is right though, Prince would have told them exactly what to do and when to do it if they worked together.


And the fact that Daft Punk has people record stuff over and over, then literally cut and paste it all together would drive Prince nuts. Pharrell talked about recording vocals for "Get Lucky" a lot, then they took one line here, one line there and put it together as one coherent song. While I get replacing bits here and there, it seems a good deal of fakery to cut and paste 5-second clips together to make one great song. The beauty of Prince's music is that often times he just rolled through it, got the best take possible to him, and that was it. Now, that may have been once or ten times, but it was a much more organic way in recording music. Even Madonna always favored the first or second take, using rougher (sometimes demo) vocals instead of singing it a dozen times to perfect it.

I think it's only disingenuous if the artist tries to hide their methods, and it sounds like Pharrell was honest about their recording process. Honestly, good art is good art whether it was recorded in one single take or pieced together from twenty. Not everybody can nail something perfectly on the first or second try like Prince, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the final released mix.

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Reply #11 posted 11/07/18 5:38pm

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Genesia said:

TrivialPursuit said:


And the fact that Daft Punk has people record stuff over and over, then literally cut and paste it all together would drive Prince nuts. Pharrell talked about recording vocals for "Get Lucky" a lot, then they took one line here, one line there and put it together as one coherent song. While I get replacing bits here and there, it seems a good deal of fakery to cut and paste 5-second clips together to make one great song. The beauty of Prince's music is that often times he just rolled through it, got the best take possible to him, and that was it. Now, that may have been once or ten times, but it was a much more organic way in recording music. Even Madonna always favored the first or second take, using rougher (sometimes demo) vocals instead of singing it a dozen times to perfect it.


I'm imagining what would have happened if Prince had recorded the drums for the first four tracks of Parade in one take (which is exactly what he did) and someone chopped them up and rearranged them. shake



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Reply #12 posted 11/08/18 5:47am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Sometimes I wonder how much alleged fans know Prince's methodology. How many people did he work with in the studio and release material? How many big whopping duets and collaborations can you list? A few on Rave? There isn't some huge list of the Stones, Motley Crue, Led Zeppelin people... God you can name anyone and it's just not what happens. So to randomly pick Daft Punk is as relevant as picking Britney Spears or Maroon 5.



I deeply apologise for the offence and upset my post has caused.

I meant no harm.
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Reply #13 posted 11/08/18 6:39am

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jaawwnn said:

Only if they love God and were female and under 25.

lol

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Reply #14 posted 11/08/18 8:14am

TrivialPursuit

HollywoodSt said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Sometimes I wonder how much alleged fans know Prince's methodology. How many people did he work with in the studio and release material? How many big whopping duets and collaborations can you list? A few on Rave? There isn't some huge list of the Stones, Motley Crue, Led Zeppelin people... God you can name anyone and it's just not what happens. So to randomly pick Daft Punk is as relevant as picking Britney Spears or Maroon 5.

I deeply apologise for the offence and upset my post has caused. I meant no harm.


Uh...what?

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Reply #15 posted 11/08/18 10:09am

HollywoodSt

TrivialPursuit said:



HollywoodSt said:


TrivialPursuit said:

Sometimes I wonder how much alleged fans know Prince's methodology. How many people did he work with in the studio and release material? How many big whopping duets and collaborations can you list? A few on Rave? There isn't some huge list of the Stones, Motley Crue, Led Zeppelin people... God you can name anyone and it's just not what happens. So to randomly pick Daft Punk is as relevant as picking Britney Spears or Maroon 5.



I deeply apologise for the offence and upset my post has caused. I meant no harm.


Uh...what?



I must have upset you for you to label me an “alleged fan”. Typical giving it the big one online.

FYI he jammed with bloody No Doubt once so he can’t be that picky. 😂
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Reply #16 posted 11/08/18 10:51am

TrivialPursuit

HollywoodSt said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Uh...what?

I must have upset you for you to label me an “alleged fan”. Typical giving it the big one online. FYI he jammed with bloody No Doubt once so he can’t be that picky. 😂


Okay then.

And he didn't really jam with them. He rewrote their song. Gwen told the story about "Waiting Room", and that he heard their version of it, then he called a few days later and said, "I'm sorry Gwen, but I had to redo your song", which is the version on their album. It was Prince taking over. She later sang on "So Far, So Pleased", her solo - not the band. Not really jamming, either. Yeah, he's done duets, but it's always a "Prince production". Nelson George has noted the same thing. Artists working with Prince never sound like themselves; they'll always get a Prince production. It's a double-edged sword.

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Reply #17 posted 11/08/18 12:00pm

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Here's a clip of Gwen and Prince circa 2011 performing Cool:

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I wish I could find the clip of SFSP live but it seems to have been removed.

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ND weren't some Max Martin-assembled, Disney-sponsored group, they were kids that grew up i SoCal together making music they liked. Their first lead singer took his own life before the band even got a major label deal. Their first album is like a shit Specials record but its fun and unique.

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Also on the Daft Punk tip, Jersey native house deity Todd Edwards (featured on several Daft Punk cuts) made an all-Prince mix for a Daft Punk pop-up shop a few years back that was super fun.

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Reply #18 posted 11/09/18 3:04am

HollywoodSt

TrivialPursuit said:



HollywoodSt said:


TrivialPursuit said:



Uh...what?



I must have upset you for you to label me an “alleged fan”. Typical giving it the big one online. FYI he jammed with bloody No Doubt once so he can’t be that picky. 😂


Okay then.

And he didn't really jam with them. He rewrote their song. Gwen told the story about "Waiting Room", and that he heard their version of it, then he called a few days later and said, "I'm sorry Gwen, but I had to redo your song", which is the version on their album. It was Prince taking over. She later sang on "So Far, So Pleased", her solo - not the band. Not really jamming, either. Yeah, he's done duets, but it's always a "Prince production". Nelson George has noted the same thing. Artists working with Prince never sound like themselves; they'll always get a Prince production. It's a double-edged sword.



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Reply #19 posted 11/09/18 3:05am

HollywoodSt

StrangeButTrue said:

Here's a clip of Gwen and Prince circa 2011 performing Cool:



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I wish I could find the clip of SFSP live but it seems to have been removed.


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ND weren't some Max Martin-assembled, Disney-sponsored group, they were kids that grew up i SoCal together making music they liked. Their first lead singer took his own life before the band even got a major label deal. Their first album is like a shit Specials record but its fun and unique.


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Also on the Daft Punk tip, Jersey native house deity Todd Edwards (featured on several Daft Punk cuts) made an all-Prince mix for a Daft Punk pop-up shop a few years back that was super fun.



Brilliant thanks I’d love to have heard the Todd Edwards mix
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Reply #20 posted 11/09/18 5:10am

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You still can, HollywoodSt just checked and its out on the interwebs
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Reply #21 posted 11/09/18 6:25am

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You still can, HollywoodSt just checked and its out on the interwebs



Thank you kindly
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Reply #22 posted 11/09/18 8:09pm

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frylo said:

TrivialPursuit said:


And the fact that Daft Punk has people record stuff over and over, then literally cut and paste it all together would drive Prince nuts. Pharrell talked about recording vocals for "Get Lucky" a lot, then they took one line here, one line there and put it together as one coherent song. While I get replacing bits here and there, it seems a good deal of fakery to cut and paste 5-second clips together to make one great song. The beauty of Prince's music is that often times he just rolled through it, got the best take possible to him, and that was it. Now, that may have been once or ten times, but it was a much more organic way in recording music. Even Madonna always favored the first or second take, using rougher (sometimes demo) vocals instead of singing it a dozen times to perfect it.

I think it's only disingenuous if the artist tries to hide their methods, and it sounds like Pharrell was honest about their recording process. Honestly, good art is good art whether it was recorded in one single take or pieced together from twenty. Not everybody can nail something perfectly on the first or second try like Prince, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the final released mix.


I agree with what you said.
Except "Get Lucky" is not art, it's a product of its times:
a mass consumption artificial hit which lyrics reek so much stupidity
the song can only be appreciated when high as fuck.
Which the western world is, so much it gets out of stock.

Real music comes from real musicians. Period.
Fake music comes from fake musicians: people love it,
it sends the message any dumbass can do it. Which is the case:
All that is required is time (money), patience (Pro Tools), and a good dose of musical cynicism
(naturally acquired by being the spoiled child of a shitty disco producer).

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Reply #23 posted 11/10/18 12:59am

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bonatoc said:

frylo said:

I think it's only disingenuous if the artist tries to hide their methods, and it sounds like Pharrell was honest about their recording process. Honestly, good art is good art whether it was recorded in one single take or pieced together from twenty. Not everybody can nail something perfectly on the first or second try like Prince, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the final released mix.


I agree with what you said.
Except "Get Lucky" is not art, it's a product of its times:
a mass consumption artificial hit which lyrics reek so much stupidity
the song can only be appreciated when high as fuck.
Which the western world is, so much it gets out of stock.

Real music comes from real musicians. Period.
Fake music comes from fake musicians: people love it,
it sends the message any dumbass can do it. Which is the case:
All that is required is time (money), patience (Pro Tools), and a good dose of musical cynicism
(naturally acquired by being the spoiled child of a shitty disco producer).

I love fake music from fake musicians. I don't do drugs though. I must be naturally high.

You know the recipe, you are very noble in not producing some mass consumption artificial hits for the sake of art, you could be rich!

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Reply #24 posted 11/10/18 6:18am

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TrivialPursuit said:

luv2tha99s said:

However, I wouldn't put Daft Punk anywhere near the same category as Maroon 5 or Britney Spears. It wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility for him to check out Daft Punk, especially if Niles had introduced them. Nouveau is right though, Prince would have told them exactly what to do and when to do it if they worked together.


And the fact that Daft Punk has people record stuff over and over, then literally cut and paste it all together would drive Prince nuts. Pharrell talked about recording vocals for "Get Lucky" a lot, then they took one line here, one line there and put it together as one coherent song. While I get replacing bits here and there, it seems a good deal of fakery to cut and paste 5-second clips together to make one great song. The beauty of Prince's music is that often times he just rolled through it, got the best take possible to him, and that was it. Now, that may have been once or ten times, but it was a much more organic way in recording music. Even Madonna always favored the first or second take, using rougher (sometimes demo) vocals instead of singing it a dozen times to perfect it.

I fail to see how this matters. Of course, it's always impressing to get it right first time, but it's not necessarily how people work or even wish to work. Some writers have it right first draft, some writers will spend more time moving commas than writing the first draft. What matters is that the artist achieve what they wish to achieve in the end, and having to spend a lot of time reworking something doesn't mean that one wishes they wouldn't, it's just how they like, or need, to work in order to achieve what they wish to achieve. There's nothing fake about it.

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(And I don't especially like Daft Punk's work, BTW, so it's not about defending them)

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Reply #25 posted 11/11/18 3:12pm

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bonatoc said:



frylo said:




TrivialPursuit said:




And the fact that Daft Punk has people record stuff over and over, then literally cut and paste it all together would drive Prince nuts. Pharrell talked about recording vocals for "Get Lucky" a lot, then they took one line here, one line there and put it together as one coherent song. While I get replacing bits here and there, it seems a good deal of fakery to cut and paste 5-second clips together to make one great song. The beauty of Prince's music is that often times he just rolled through it, got the best take possible to him, and that was it. Now, that may have been once or ten times, but it was a much more organic way in recording music. Even Madonna always favored the first or second take, using rougher (sometimes demo) vocals instead of singing it a dozen times to perfect it.



I think it's only disingenuous if the artist tries to hide their methods, and it sounds like Pharrell was honest about their recording process. Honestly, good art is good art whether it was recorded in one single take or pieced together from twenty. Not everybody can nail something perfectly on the first or second try like Prince, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the final released mix.




I agree with what you said.
Except "Get Lucky" is not art, it's a product of its times:
a mass consumption artificial hit which lyrics reek so much stupidity
the song can only be appreciated when high as fuck.
Which the western world is, so much it gets out of stock.

Real music comes from real musicians. Period.
Fake music comes from fake musicians: people love it,
it sends the message any dumbass can do it. Which is the case:
All that is required is time (money), patience (Pro Tools), and a good dose of musical cynicism
(naturally acquired by being the spoiled child of a shitty disco producer).


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That's a great argument, that someone talented should not outshine their father. Maybe if they weren't spoiled, from un-spoiled with no financial security, the father would be kind of jealous and resentful of such success. I feel like I saw this in a movie somewhere, something with a motorcycle and a lake. Plus Daft Punk was making records that sound the same as they do now before Pro Tools was a big thing. And old Pro Tools was a pain in the ass to work with versus now Pro Tools. But you're right. I think in the movie there was like an argument at a piano with the failed artist father like pimp slapping his un-spoiled talented son. Idk plus didn't Prince used to make disco songs?
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