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Reply #30 posted 11/28/18 1:58pm

violetcrush

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

PeteSilas said:

He liked them, I always thought Morris' character was based on Kid. He was really, really good, prince gave him a good song, 4 the sex of it but for some reason, Kid Creole never caught on fire here in the states.

A damn good song that I personally think Prince should have released himself. I've heard Prince's version and to me the released version by Kid Creole was just plain limp in comparison of how it should have been done. shrug

Prince's version is SOOOOO muc better - like most of the "Prince versions" of songs that he gave away. Even 5 Women - I like Joe Cocker, but Prince's version is just fantastic.

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Reply #31 posted 11/28/18 2:03pm

violetcrush

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violetcrush said:

Yes, and there is the other interesting tid-bit that Rick stole Prince's equipment (because he was pissed about the Fire It Up tour) and used his pre-recorded music when recording Street Songs biggrin

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No doubt Prince cruised past Rick by '82-'83. Rick may have stayed in the race a bit longer if it had not been for the cocaine addiction.

never heard it was P's music but rather his keyboard programs, didn't rick send them back with some half assed apology later?

Yes, I just termed it "music", because eventually those programs are used in the songs. The rumor has been that he sent the programs back, but there was no apology. Rick felt that Prince had stolen many of his moves and mannerisms, so he decided to steal his keyboard programs.

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What I want to know is which did Rick use and on what songs?? This was for his Street Songs album, which was huge. So, are any of Prince's programs in Super Freak?? biggrin

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Reply #32 posted 11/28/18 2:11pm

violetcrush

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I think was definitely influenced by Rick James, but as much about what not to do as about what to do. Rick James, who had quite a history in "white" music broke through with black music and was popular with black audiences. He had a token white guitar player, but fit in as halfway home between deep funk like P-Funk and smoother soul influenced funk like Earth Wind & Fire and the Commodores.

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I think Rick James is part of the reason that Prince not only further developed musically along the lines that were already detectable on Prince, but also changed his image into something that was very recognizable and acceptable by white rock audiences and rock critics.

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He was quite careful and deliberate about becoming a crossover star. Rick James was much less so and did more of the star partying. This paid off with Purple Rain, when Prince moved into a realm that Rick James (and most black artists) never reached.

I agree with all of your points here. Prince was moving and looking ahead with plans to cross over and appeal to a wider audience. He wanted full pop star success. Rick was continuing in his R&B/Funk mode, which would not attract the white teenage crowd. Prince had also developed a style and look that would capture both a young black and white audience. He just figured out how to put the whole package together for mass appeal.

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Reply #33 posted 11/28/18 2:14pm

PeteSilas

violetcrush said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

A damn good song that I personally think Prince should have released himself. I've heard Prince's version and to me the released version by Kid Creole was just plain limp in comparison of how it should have been done. shrug

Prince's version is SOOOOO muc better - like most of the "Prince versions" of songs that he gave away. Even 5 Women - I like Joe Cocker, but Prince's version is just fantastic.

I thought so too, kid was a little laid back in his approach which was wonderful for his music just not for that song. Kid deserved more success stateside, no doubt.

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Reply #34 posted 11/28/18 2:54pm

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If I recall correctly Kid Creole agrees with you, he said he only did it because his label told him to and Prince hoped he'd have a hit with it in the United States because he deserved one. Didn't work unfortunately. The album it's off ain't bad but Kid Creole's best music was long behind him at that point anyway.

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Reply #35 posted 11/28/18 5:39pm

Abdul

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

never heard it was P's music but rather his keyboard programs, didn't rick send them back with some half assed apology later?

Yes, I just termed it "music", because eventually those programs are used in the songs. The rumor has been that he sent the programs back, but there was no apology. Rick felt that Prince had stolen many of his moves and mannerisms, so he decided to steal his keyboard programs.

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What I want to know is which did Rick use and on what songs?? This was for his Street Songs album, which was huge. So, are any of Prince's programs in Super Freak?? biggrin

I'm almost positive Rick said he created "Coldblooded" with the Prince Keyboard he stole

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Reply #36 posted 11/28/18 6:11pm

PeteSilas

jaawwnn said:

If I recall correctly Kid Creole agrees with you, he said he only did it because his label told him to and Prince hoped he'd have a hit with it in the United States because he deserved one. Didn't work unfortunately. The album it's off ain't bad but Kid Creole's best music was long behind him at that point anyway.

worth a shot, i still think jesse should have taken shockadelica, that was a case of pride stopping a sure good song and possible hit.

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Reply #37 posted 11/29/18 11:55am

violetcrush

Abdul said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I just termed it "music", because eventually those programs are used in the songs. The rumor has been that he sent the programs back, but there was no apology. Rick felt that Prince had stolen many of his moves and mannerisms, so he decided to steal his keyboard programs.

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What I want to know is which did Rick use and on what songs?? This was for his Street Songs album, which was huge. So, are any of Prince's programs in Super Freak?? biggrin

I'm almost positive Rick said he created "Coldblooded" with the Prince Keyboard he stole

Ahhhh, interesting!!

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Reply #38 posted 11/29/18 3:38pm

KevinB

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

never heard it was P's music but rather his keyboard programs, didn't rick send them back with some half assed apology later?

Yes, I just termed it "music", because eventually those programs are used in the songs. The rumor has been that he sent the programs back, but there was no apology. Rick felt that Prince had stolen many of his moves and mannerisms, so he decided to steal his keyboard programs.

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What I want to know is which did Rick use and on what songs?? This was for his Street Songs album, which was huge. So, are any of Prince's programs in Super Freak?? biggrin

Listen to "In My House" by the Mary Jane Girls.

It is exactly the same as "Sex Shooter" by Apollonia6

KevinB

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Reply #39 posted 11/29/18 4:10pm

PeteSilas

KevinB said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I just termed it "music", because eventually those programs are used in the songs. The rumor has been that he sent the programs back, but there was no apology. Rick felt that Prince had stolen many of his moves and mannerisms, so he decided to steal his keyboard programs.

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What I want to know is which did Rick use and on what songs?? This was for his Street Songs album, which was huge. So, are any of Prince's programs in Super Freak?? biggrin

Listen to "In My House" by the Mary Jane Girls.

It is exactly the same as "Sex Shooter" by Apollonia6

KevinB

never heard the similarity.

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Reply #40 posted 11/29/18 4:51pm

violetcrush

KevinB said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I just termed it "music", because eventually those programs are used in the songs. The rumor has been that he sent the programs back, but there was no apology. Rick felt that Prince had stolen many of his moves and mannerisms, so he decided to steal his keyboard programs.

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What I want to know is which did Rick use and on what songs?? This was for his Street Songs album, which was huge. So, are any of Prince's programs in Super Freak?? biggrin

Listen to "In My House" by the Mary Jane Girls.

It is exactly the same as "Sex Shooter" by Apollonia6

KevinB

Crap....now I gotta go listent to the songs. You're making me work!! biggrin

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Reply #41 posted 11/29/18 5:06pm

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

KevinB said:

Listen to "In My House" by the Mary Jane Girls.

It is exactly the same as "Sex Shooter" by Apollonia6

KevinB

Crap....now I gotta go listent to the songs. You're making me work!! biggrin

Okay, just listened to both. Totally forgot about In My House!! I like that song much better than Sex Shooter, and it was a fairly decent hit from what I remember back then. Lots of radio play on the Top 40 stations.

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Maybe similar drum beats, but that is the only connection that I hear.

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Sex Shooter was released August 1984, and In My House was released Oct 1984. So you think Rick copied Sex Shooter? I don't think he would have time to record it and get the record released btw August and October.

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Here's the scoop on In My House:

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"In My House" is a song produced, written and arranged by American musician Rick James. It was recorded by American girl group Mary Jane Girls for their second album Only Four You (1985). It was released as the album's lead single in October 1984 through Gordy Records. In the United States, the single went to number one on the Billboard Hot Dance/Discochart in April 1985 and remained atop the chart for two weeks.[1] It was also a top-ten hit on both the Billboard Hot 100 and Billboard Black Singles chart, peaking at number seven on the Hot 100 in June 1985 and remained in the Top 40 for 12 weeks.[2] It is the group's biggest hit and their only Top 40 hit, although they have had other singles succeed on both the Black Singles and Hot Dance/Disco charts.

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Reply #42 posted 11/29/18 5:53pm

Abdul

Those two Mary Jane Girls albums are gems, Rick & The Stone City Band gave them grade A material IMO!

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Reply #43 posted 12/02/18 10:22pm

Musician9

Rick was a rocker at heart, his takes on funk and soul seemed forced. and before he went to prison he was in The Mynah Birds with Neil Young. 2 of its members joined Buffalo Springield and another joined Steppenwolf.

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Reply #44 posted 12/04/18 2:19pm

jaawwnn

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KevinB said:



violetcrush said:




PeteSilas said:



never heard it was P's music but rather his keyboard programs, didn't rick send them back with some half assed apology later?




Yes, I just termed it "music", because eventually those programs are used in the songs. The rumor has been that he sent the programs back, but there was no apology. Rick felt that Prince had stolen many of his moves and mannerisms, so he decided to steal his keyboard programs.


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What I want to know is which did Rick use and on what songs?? This was for his Street Songs album, which was huge. So, are any of Prince's programs in Super Freak?? biggrin



Listen to "In My House" by the Mary Jane Girls.


It is exactly the same as "Sex Shooter" by Apollonia6



KevinB



You think he used Prince's, what, 1981 keyboards in late 1984?
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Reply #45 posted 12/09/18 4:58pm

trc1

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PDogz said:

There did seem to be a few signature gestures/routines of Rick's that Prince appeared to have borrowed from him while on the "Fire It Up" tour (...flinging sweat from his brow into the audience on the 1's & 2's of a jam, etc - Difficult to explain in writing, easier to have observed on that tour). Though clearly, Rick James was far from the only artist that Prince was being influenced by in those early years. And by the end, most were being influenced by Prince. It's all good.



Yes. And P got checked by RJ regarding. There is an interview where P mentions this. P was opening act on the tour.
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Reply #46 posted 12/09/18 6:44pm

PeteSilas

trc1 said:

PDogz said:

There did seem to be a few signature gestures/routines of Rick's that Prince appeared to have borrowed from him while on the "Fire It Up" tour (...flinging sweat from his brow into the audience on the 1's & 2's of a jam, etc - Difficult to explain in writing, easier to have observed on that tour). Though clearly, Rick James was far from the only artist that Prince was being influenced by in those early years. And by the end, most were being influenced by Prince. It's all good.

Yes. And P got checked by RJ regarding. There is an interview where P mentions this. P was opening act on the tour.

what did he say?

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