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Reply #60 posted 12/30/18 4:59am

iZsaZsa

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muchtoofast said:

written in an ultra feminine voice


What do you mean? There is nothing about lipstick in here. Why can't a man sing this?


When you left me I thought that

I'd never see the sun shine again

Cause you meant the world to me

We were the very best of friends

But I got over it

It might have taken me a while

I got over it

It used to be so hard for me to smile

But now I'm over it

Over it

There were times when I'd break down and cry

Just wishing you were here with me

I was hurting deep inside

Cause I never thought our love

Would just disappear the way it did

But I got over it

It might have taken me a while

I got over it

It used to be so hard for me to smile

But now I'm over it

Over it

I used to get lonely

Cause you weren't around

No one to love

Messed with my mind

I know I can survive

Take me some time

Over it

It's been so hard for me to smile

But I got over it

I know it's taken me a while

Now I'm over it

Over it

Over it

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[Edited 12/30/18 5:04am]

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Reply #61 posted 12/30/18 12:03pm

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Fine lyrics but no mystery, no double entendre, no sex, no huh? moment. But if Militant heard the demo then obviously I’m wrong wrong wrong.
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Reply #62 posted 12/30/18 12:28pm

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Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.



By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.




I'm not sure I understand, sorry. What you're saying is that everything but bass and drums, on the released version, is Prince? Or that the whole song was rerecorded by session musicians but based on the original demo?
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Reply #63 posted 12/30/18 1:58pm

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I’ve watched TVR video twice now and I’m going to assume Casey did not hear a Prince demo or he would have been SCREAMING about it everywhere in the Purple World, like any sane person would have.

I’ll study Crazy You lyrics and maybe change my mind about this though.

Edit: after just one listen of Crazy You, I’m ready to say Crazy You, compared to this new song, is a masterpiece. I can’t imagine him even being in the same room when this was written.
[Edited 12/30/18 14:06pm]
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Reply #64 posted 12/30/18 3:24pm

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It's never safe to assume anything.



P version exists, and I know what it sounds like. Read into that what you will.



Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77. Possibly a Rhythm Ace. You might recall that Jesse Johnson also mentioned that Prince did the "For You" demos using one of those.




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Reply #65 posted 12/30/18 3:31pm

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databank said:

Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.


By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.



I'm not sure I understand, sorry. What you're saying is that everything but bass and drums, on the released version, is Prince? Or that the whole song was rerecorded by session musicians but based on the original demo?



Prince recorded a demo. Valerie's version is a re-recording with the Toto guys based on P's demo. With that said there's a possibility it could also be P playing piano on the Valerie version, but lack of documentation on dug up tapes makes it hard to tell. This released version doesn't come from master tapes, but an old cassette mixdown found after Val passed. Prince was present at the sessions the Toto guys played on, and it's potentially him on piano but it can't be proven one way or another.

The Prince demo is a completely different recording.





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Reply #66 posted 12/30/18 4:15pm

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Militant said:

It's never safe to assume anything.





P version exists, and I know what it sounds like. Read into that what you will.





Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77. Possibly a Rhythm Ace. You might recall that Jesse Johnson also mentioned that Prince did the "For You" demos using one of those.





So you’ve heard it, I don’t get the coquettish response lol. Someone has the Prince demo so sell the damn thing already!
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Reply #67 posted 12/31/18 1:37am

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muchtoofast said:

Pretty song but it is written in an ultra feminine voice so I doubt Prince had anything to do with writing it. And the music is so basic, not Prince’s style at all, it’s bland and indistinguishable from a zillion other songs of that era (I was there).

LOL yeah, no way is this the guy who wrote Miss You and Donna lol

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Reply #68 posted 12/31/18 4:36am

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On repeat her too. smile

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I love songs fro that era, the soundof it, the softness of it,

the nostalgic feel about it,

Just downloaded some albums of her (1977-1978),

I always loved and will love that era.

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I read once in some essay about pop music over the past decades that the best pop songs were written around that time.

I couldn't agree more.

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By the way, she's a discovery. I never heard her, or about her.

Thanks.

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #69 posted 12/31/18 4:59am

Vannormal

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IstenSzek said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.


probably the same way people seem to feel about 'coco boys', 'come elektra tuesday',
'adonis & bathsheba', 'emotional pump' etc.

they get excited over having them and then....they forget about them. or at least no
one ever mentions them anymore.

we've been given some absolute stone cold classics the last few years and people here
still talk about that one song they haven't got yet.

as soon as they have it, watch them forget about it and start to drool over another cut
they haven't heard yet.

meanwhile, i'm over here listening to those songs as much as any classic album back
in the day and appreciating them for what they are: stunning.


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And I absolutely agree !

Aren't we the MOST SPOILED FANS in this world ?

Prince wrote so much, and so much got leaked.

I still enjoy 80% of his work, and work he did for others, and it's till growing and changing.

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I couldn't agree more on the ones always looking for more.

For me, if it stops here, and no more will be released, I will be a happy man whatsoever.

Of course, there's always a warm welcome to newly released or leaked stuff.

I'm not a saint. wink

But for now, I'm capable of enjoying songs that I rediscover - songs known for years.

I can have great joy in relistening to them.

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As we get older, we appreciate the music we all know very well much more.

Now I can hear things, see and understand things much more (concerning Prince music as well as others).

His passing also made me look and listen different to his music.

thanks to all the great books out there on his life and work also have a huge impact on the way I rediscover his music.

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With those new angles to listen and look at things, life only gets better, music only gets better.

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Reply #70 posted 12/31/18 10:07am

luvsexy4all

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?

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Reply #71 posted 12/31/18 12:04pm

muchtoofast

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jaawwnn said:



muchtoofast said:


Pretty song but it is written in an ultra feminine voice so I doubt Prince had anything to do with writing it. And the music is so basic, not Prince’s style at all, it’s bland and indistinguishable from a zillion other songs of that era (I was there).

LOL yeah, no way is this the guy who wrote Miss You and Donna lol



Prince – Donna Lyrics

Donna, pretty as you can be (So pretty)
Oh pretty Donna, when will you ever see (When will you ever see?)
That you belong 2 another man?
And I believe he'll try 2 keep you anyway he can
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2 be

Donna, pretty as you can be
Donna, when will you ever see (When will you ever see? [x2])
That you belong 2 another man?
And I think he will try 2 keep you anyway he can
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2..
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2..
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2 be

Donna [x2]

Last time

I don’t see any similarities in the writing style but I don’t think I’ve ever heard Donna so I can’t compare them yet.

I just heard Miss You for the first time in my life and THANK YOU for the introduction.
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Reply #72 posted 12/31/18 12:15pm

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luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?


And why play the PRINCE demo for Casey and not get in touch with Prince family first? Seems random.
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Reply #73 posted 01/01/19 3:51am

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muchtoofast said:

luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?

And why play the PRINCE demo for Casey and not get in touch with Prince family first? Seems random.


probably a collector has a number of very early prince tracks that they have never shared
and which only a handfull of people have ever heard.

the connection to valerie might not have been known to anyone until the track was put on
her 'lost tapes' album just now.

which could explain why someone that militant knows and has heard uncirculating tracks
from before, also has that song, as if by 'coincidence', and said 'yeah, sure i have that cut
somewhere, i'll let you hear it if you want'.

there's tons of prince music sitting in people's private collections that none of us have any
idea about, i'm sure.

a recording of one of those songs by another artist surfacing would seem the best possible
chance for us to ever get to hear the prince version since the song somehow become a bit
more relevant in the community and people might want to share or sell due to interest.

something like that?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #74 posted 01/01/19 4:17am

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luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?


Because, maybe, the demo has been out for decades and this re-recorded version is new and makes that track relevant to talk about?
There's a shitload of songs not (yet) mentioned or talked about that are "out there"...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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Reply #75 posted 01/02/19 6:22am

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I listened to the song once... now I'm over it.

Vaguely interesting at best.

May or may not have Prince on it...

much like the 94 East recordings, or the For You demos (of songs that were rejected for the album), there's a generic quality to this that makes it get old very quickly.

Makes me realise that a lot of that early material was really subpar, and it's only because you hear Prince performing it, knowing what he would become, that makes them interesting.

This, doesn't really warrant a second listen for me.

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Reply #76 posted 01/03/19 2:55am

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Rimshottbob said:

I listened to the song once... now I'm over it.

Vaguely interesting at best.

May or may not have Prince on it...

much like the 94 East recordings, or the For You demos (of songs that were rejected for the album), there's a generic quality to this that makes it get old very quickly.

Makes me realise that a lot of that early material was really subpar, and it's only because you hear Prince performing it, knowing what he would become, that makes them interesting.

This, doesn't really warrant a second listen for me.

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Be aware that new found jams will be rare in the nearest future to discover or listen to.

Certainly those from the pre-fame days. Or any collaboration for that matter, like this one.

I think they are valuable to the great puzzle Prince created with his huge catalog of work.

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The estate isn't doing a great job so far, nearly three years after his death.

Bootleggers are very cautious too. So don't expect much.

We already have so much. But whatever we can get (our ears to listen to) is worth it.

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If for instance someone in the Robert Palmer camp could offer us a better copy of the unreleased track Prince gave to him (Lust U Always) for instance,

or any other artist Prince gave self penned tracks to, we would have a nice jams to enjoy, before any new releases are being (postponed or) released and received.

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This early material doesn't sound that old to me. But sure it it dated.

(More than) Most of his 90's & 00's output sounds much more outdated to me. wink

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Reply #77 posted 01/03/19 3:42am

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Militant said:

Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.

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Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.

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Reply #78 posted 01/03/19 3:46am

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Militant said:

By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.



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The full quote from his book is in my post on the first page of this thread.

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Reply #79 posted 01/03/19 2:09pm

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BartVanHemelen said:



Militant said:



Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.



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Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.


I wonder what kind of drum machine prince was using at that point though. Was it just a composing tool or was he already trying to work up a sound.
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Reply #80 posted 01/03/19 2:21pm

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I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.

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Reply #81 posted 01/03/19 4:23pm

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https://www.youtube.com/w...6AxpKnSFL8

Here’s a 1967 Rhythm Ace drum machine biggrin
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Reply #82 posted 01/04/19 6:49am

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She is reminding me of Minnie Ripperton. I'm not over it yet. music

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Reply #83 posted 01/04/19 7:23am

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Militant said:

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.


You are absolutely right.

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Reply #84 posted 01/04/19 7:24am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Militant said:

Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.

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Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.


I think he was referring to the use of a drum machine in Prince's 1970s recordings, not all of music's history. smile

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Reply #85 posted 01/04/19 3:38pm

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Cinny said:

Militant said:

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.


You are absolutely right.

Which one though? About 20 versions of the Rhythm Ace were manufactured.

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Reply #86 posted 01/04/19 11:15pm

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Militant said:



databank said:


Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.



By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.





I'm not sure I understand, sorry. What you're saying is that everything but bass and drums, on the released version, is Prince? Or that the whole song was rerecorded by session musicians but based on the original demo?




Prince recorded a demo. Valerie's version is a re-recording with the Toto guys based on P's demo. With that said there's a possibility it could also be P playing piano on the Valerie version, but lack of documentation on dug up tapes makes it hard to tell. This released version doesn't come from master tapes, but an old cassette mixdown found after Val passed. Prince was present at the sessions the Toto guys played on, and it's potentially him on piano but it can't be proven one way or another.

The Prince demo is a completely different recording.






Thx for clarifying smile
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Reply #87 posted 01/09/19 9:10am

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jjam said:

Cinny said:


You are absolutely right.

Which one though? About 20 versions of the Rhythm Ace were manufactured.


Jesse Johnson would remember if it was a floor model or whatever.

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Reply #88 posted 01/11/19 7:45am

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Like I said.........I know a Prince joint.......when I hear it.

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Reply #89 posted 01/11/19 3:20pm

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Graycap23 said:

Like I said.........I know a Prince joint.......when I hear it.

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