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Reply #60 posted 01/08/19 9:09am

leecaldon

feeluupp said:

... And doing some more research on that topic... I just found an article stating that MJ fired Frank back in late 1989, so the author of that book was just making things up. MJ didn't have any resentment for Frank managing Prince's D&P album as Frank was fired by MJ 2 years before he even worked with Prince. rolleyes

That in no way means MJ would have a problem with it.

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Reply #61 posted 01/08/19 2:23pm

RODSERLING

leecaldon said:



feeluupp said:


... And doing some more research on that topic... I just found an article stating that MJ fired Frank back in late 1989, so the author of that book was just making things up. MJ didn't have any resentment for Frank managing Prince's D&P album as Frank was fired by MJ 2 years before he even worked with Prince. rolleyes





That in no way means MJ would have a problem with it.



Not only that but MJ fired Dileo because he chose to not release Moonwalker in theaters in the USA, whereas it was the dream of MJ.
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Hence the latest two singles not released in the USA. It didn't prevent them from being top 10 hits in Europe, where Dileo never had an once of influence, neither with MJ, nor with Prince.
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Reply #62 posted 01/08/19 2:33pm

dodger

feeluupp said:



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:



We can argue this all day long, but the fact is, me or you don't know the exact details if Frank chose this or that. All we know is Prince hired Dileo and the end result is it was Prince's second bigges selling album with over 7.1 Million copies sold to date.



Everybody in 1991 with 7 singles, payola, million dollar music video, could sell 7 millions. . Hell, Sinead O conorr sold 7 millions albums with just Nothing Compares 2 U and it's music video that cost what ? A hundred bucks? LOL . Just like Dileo didn't chose MJ singles, he sure wasn't in charge of the selection of the Prince singles. . He surely advised Prince though. But we saw how Prince received his advices and opinions lol. . Clearly, Dileo was not the type of guy : -Releasing a lead single 4 months before the album, -7 singles in 7 months, - giving up promotion so abruptly to begin a new one - by launching another single 4 months before another album; repeating the same mistake two times in a raw. . He was rather the kind of guy that : - released the lead single only one month before the album to maximize hype and sales - thrown a single at a pace of every 3 or 4 months - making 2 years of promotion for an album . To perform in TV other songs than the current singles was also something that had to piss Dileo off, and that prevented D&P, single and album, from being #1 in the US .


Rod you are missing the point, I already explained it by averaging his album sales from 86-90 with the exception of Batman because the movie and brand promoted the album by itself...




It has nothing to do with everybody in 91 was selling, no, because don't forget how poorly GB sold in 1990. If you're talking about D&P being radio friendly that's why it sold so well... Then what are you going to say about his GENIUS albums in the 80's which not only had radio friendly songs, but spawned iconic hits and songs... Those albums didn't sell as well as D&P. Don't forget SOTT not only was critically claimed as one of the best albums of all times and best albums of the 80's, it had a movie attached to it as well, it still didn't sell as good as D&P.




W&B and Prince wouldn't hire Frank if they stuck to your logic, in 91 everybody is selling well. No. Prince is not everybody, he was an artistic and musical genius which we all know overshadowed his business and promotion logic, hence why he was never consistant in commercial sales like his peers at the time.




Frank is the reason that D&P sold so well period. Right after Frank got fired how many albums did Love Symbol sell, ah more than 5 million less than D&P.



Genuine question; do you know Frank Dileo?
You give him all the credit for D&P and are even on first name terms with him
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Reply #63 posted 01/09/19 5:32am

leecaldon

leecaldon said:

feeluupp said:

... And doing some more research on that topic... I just found an article stating that MJ fired Frank back in late 1989, so the author of that book was just making things up. MJ didn't have any resentment for Frank managing Prince's D&P album as Frank was fired by MJ 2 years before he even worked with Prince. rolleyes

That in no way means MJ would have a problem with it.

I meant, that in no way means MJ wouldn't have a problem with it!

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Reply #64 posted 01/09/19 11:45am

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dodger said:

feeluupp said:

Rod you are missing the point, I already explained it by averaging his album sales from 86-90 with the exception of Batman because the movie and brand promoted the album by itself...

It has nothing to do with everybody in 91 was selling, no, because don't forget how poorly GB sold in 1990. If you're talking about D&P being radio friendly that's why it sold so well... Then what are you going to say about his GENIUS albums in the 80's which not only had radio friendly songs, but spawned iconic hits and songs... Those albums didn't sell as well as D&P. Don't forget SOTT not only was critically claimed as one of the best albums of all times and best albums of the 80's, it had a movie attached to it as well, it still didn't sell as good as D&P.

W&B and Prince wouldn't hire Frank if they stuck to your logic, in 91 everybody is selling well. No. Prince is not everybody, he was an artistic and musical genius which we all know overshadowed his business and promotion logic, hence why he was never consistant in commercial sales like his peers at the time.

Frank is the reason that D&P sold so well period. Right after Frank got fired how many albums did Love Symbol sell, ah more than 5 million less than D&P.

Genuine question; do you know Frank Dileo? You give him all the credit for D&P and are even on first name terms with him

Just wanted to point out that DiLeo died in 2011

[Edited 1/9/19 12:06pm]

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #65 posted 01/09/19 1:59pm

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thedance said:



MJ, he had a so incredible amount of "Hit-singles", however 3 or, maybe 4 excellent albums only in his career, (solo that is, calm donwn MJ fans we are NOT counting before Off The Wall*)

Prince well, he had at least 9 or 10 excellent albums (some even double albums)

Always "rules" with MJ. Why exclude his work before 1979? I love 'Got To Be There. It's a great album. As is the majority of his output on Motown. MJ's career is his entire career!

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #66 posted 01/09/19 2:02pm

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NouveauDance said:

I don't understand the snobbery towards MJ, especially in a thread about an album that contains Jughead and Daddy Pop.

lol

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #67 posted 01/10/19 7:35am

RODSERLING

Marrk said:



thedance said:




MJ, he had a so incredible amount of "Hit-singles", however 3 or, maybe 4 excellent albums only in his career, (solo that is, calm donwn MJ fans we are NOT counting before Off The Wall*)

Prince well, he had at least 9 or 10 excellent albums (some even double albums)




Always "rules" with MJ. Why exclude his work before 1979? I love 'Got To Be There. It's a great album. As is the majority of his output on Motown. MJ's career is his entire career!


Personnally, Destiny and Triumph are better than OTW and Thriller
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Reply #68 posted 01/10/19 1:35pm

Doalwa

thedance said:

maybe tiresome to u?

MJ, he had a so incredible amount of "Hit-singles", however 3 or, maybe 4 excellent albums only in his career, (solo that is, calm donwn MJ fans we are NOT counting before Off The Wall*)

Prince well, he had at least 9 or 10 excellent albums (some even double albums)

(and, yes P had a lot of *related albums, as well)


in case MJ was oil then P was water..

Ok great but they do not mix well.... wink cool cool

I love the music 1979 to 1988 from MJ + some off Dangerous and the socalled new hits from HIStory..

Still MJ is such "a small" artist if u compare him, he can't compare to my God, which will always be... Prince.

Maybe if MJ was a McDonalds resturant.. mainstream,


then Prince was far more exclusive, a three star "michelin", a more exclusive restarant, much more sophisticated,



Imho, of course you are entitled to have your opnion.. cool biggrin wink

any misspelled words, be easy, I am european.. non-english.. peace & bw.....



Don’t nobody talk smack about my man MJ! He may not have been as prolific as Prince, but whenever dude released something new, those records were hot from start to finish...whereas P really could have used an editor at times.
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Reply #69 posted 01/13/19 12:38am

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^ oh shut up, because you are wrong (about me).. because I heart Michael Jackson (his music that is).. I really enjoy most of his output 1979 to 1995.. post HIStory is crappy though imho. wink cool

Prince, I just love his music even more, Prince the King of sexual funk.. his output is outstanding 1978 to 2016.

Both are true legends. heart


Michael I especially love Off The Wall + Thriller + Bad

My point is just that Prince made many more excellent albums than Jackson.. worship


However imho Prince is and will always be more important of these 2. nod

Peace, + be wild... smile

Prince 4Ever. heart
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Reply #70 posted 01/13/19 3:37pm

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Truth is that MJ was more prolific than Prince ever was in the 1969/1975 era. He released or recorded something like 20 studio albums material.
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MJ was as prolific as Prince until the middle of the 80's, Releasing an album a year :
- OTW in 1979
- Triumph in 1980
- The Jackson s live ! In 1981
- Thriller and E.T. soundtrack in 1982
- Victory and Farewell my summer love in 1984
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Reply #71 posted 01/13/19 4:01pm

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RODSERLING said:

Truth is that MJ was more prolific than Prince ever was in the 1969/1975 era. He released or recorded something like 20 studio albums material. . MJ was as prolific as Prince until the middle of the 80's, Releasing an album a year : - OTW in 1979 - Triumph in 1980 - The Jackson s live ! In 1981 - Thriller and E.T. soundtrack in 1982 - Victory and Farewell my summer love in 1984 [Edited 1/13/19 15:38pm]

That's because Prince wasn't even signed back then rolleyes

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Reply #72 posted 01/14/19 12:27am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:



RODSERLING said:


Truth is that MJ was more prolific than Prince ever was in the 1969/1975 era. He released or recorded something like 20 studio albums material. . MJ was as prolific as Prince until the middle of the 80's, Releasing an album a year : - OTW in 1979 - Triumph in 1980 - The Jackson s live ! In 1981 - Thriller and E.T. soundtrack in 1982 - Victory and Farewell my summer love in 1984 [Edited 1/13/19 15:38pm]


That's because Prince wasn't even signed back then rolleyes



No, I said that during this era MJ was more prolific Than Prince ever was. Implying there was not such a prolific period in Prince s carreer
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Reply #73 posted 01/14/19 1:22am

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RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

That's because Prince wasn't even signed back then rolleyes

No, I said that during this era MJ was more prolific Than Prince ever was. Implying there was not such a prolific period in Prince s carreer

Than that's even more of an idiotic statement to imply...

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Reply #74 posted 01/14/19 4:37am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:



That's because Prince wasn't even signed back then rolleyes



No, I said that during this era MJ was more prolific Than Prince ever was. Implying there was not such a prolific period in Prince s carreer


Than that's even more of an idiotic statement to imply...



In the contrary, it s a statement that contradict the usual "Prince the hard worker was more prolific than the lazy MJ".
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That s not true at all : during a 6 years period MJ released 4 studios Albums, and a dozen others with the J5.
In only two years, from 1969 to 1971, MJ released 1 studio album and 6 with the J5. An accomplishment hard to beat, even for Prince.
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Reply #75 posted 01/14/19 7:31am

leecaldon

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Than that's even more of an idiotic statement to imply...

In the contrary, it s a statement that contradict the usual "Prince the hard worker was more prolific than the lazy MJ". . That s not true at all : during a 6 years period MJ released 4 studios Albums, and a dozen others with the J5. In only two years, from 1969 to 1971, MJ released 1 studio album and 6 with the J5. An accomplishment hard to beat, even for Prince.

But MJ didn't write or produce any of it. You're comparing apples and oranges.

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Reply #76 posted 01/14/19 11:55am

RODSERLING

leecaldon said:



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:



Than that's even more of an idiotic statement to imply...



In the contrary, it s a statement that contradict the usual "Prince the hard worker was more prolific than the lazy MJ". . That s not true at all : during a 6 years period MJ released 4 studios Albums, and a dozen others with the J5. In only two years, from 1969 to 1971, MJ released 1 studio album and 6 with the J5. An accomplishment hard to beat, even for Prince.


But MJ didn't write or produce any of it. You're comparing apples and oranges.


You re right.
But that doesn't mean it wasn't hard work : recording 400+ songs, doing hundred of live shows as a teenager, and numerous TV performances.
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That doesn't mean neither it was lesser work :I want you back is the most streamed song of the sixties. ABC, The Love You Save, I'll be there, Never Can Say Goodbye, Dancing Machine, all belong to the great American songbook.
Even their version of Santa Claus Is Coming To town re-enters the charts every time during the holiday season, everywhere in the world.
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Prince himself played J5 songs during his time in Grand Champagne Central.
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He still played Jackson songs after his death.
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The point is that saying "MJ just did 4 good albums in his carreer" is completely untrue and he doesn't deserve it, especially from Prince fans that are music lovers.
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As it has been said by insiders, Prince was clearly moved by MJ s death. So himself Prince didn't think MJ was just a 4 albums man.
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So let s be honest and don t be more royalist than the Prince.
MJ died 10 years ago (!) And Prince 3 years ago, that old debate between who has the the biggest dick is obsolete for a long time.
They were both great, each one with their sum of talents, and they had many ones.
[Edited 1/14/19 11:56am]
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Reply #77 posted 01/14/19 1:54pm

leecaldon

RODSERLING said:

leecaldon said:

But MJ didn't write or produce any of it. You're comparing apples and oranges.

You re right. But that doesn't mean it wasn't hard work : recording 400+ songs, doing hundred of live shows as a teenager, and numerous TV performances. . That doesn't mean neither it was lesser work :I want you back is the most streamed song of the sixties. ABC, The Love You Save, I'll be there, Never Can Say Goodbye, Dancing Machine, all belong to the great American songbook. Even their version of Santa Claus Is Coming To town re-enters the charts every time during the holiday season, everywhere in the world. . Prince himself played J5 songs during his time in Grand Champagne Central. . He still played Jackson songs after his death. . The point is that saying "MJ just did 4 good albums in his carreer" is completely untrue and he doesn't deserve it, especially from Prince fans that are music lovers. . As it has been said by insiders, Prince was clearly moved by MJ s death. So himself Prince didn't think MJ was just a 4 albums man. . So let s be honest and don t be more royalist than the Prince. MJ died 10 years ago (!) And Prince 3 years ago, that old debate between who has the the biggest dick is obsolete for a long time. They were both great, each one with their sum of talents, and they had many ones. [Edited 1/14/19 11:56am]

I wouldn't argue with a lot of things you're saying. But laying down vocals on a track is very, very different to conceiving it, producing it, playing multiple instruments on it, mixing it. It's multiple times the amount of work and creative inspiration.

Prince also toured as band leader and musical director throughout his career.

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