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Reply #90 posted 01/11/19 4:57am

Dimitri10

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Important & quick point of note. Did anyone see Andy Murray's press conferance announcing his pending retirement at the age of 31. This follows hip surgery & the pain is apparently incredibly bad & has left him unable to tie his shoe laces without pain.

This makes you truly appreciate how much pain P must have been in & to continue working, touring, writing, recording was frankly a miracle.

His quality of life [Prince's] would have been truly awful as he got older even after possible withdrawly treatment for dependancy.

Yes did see this and its very sad, he had more left in him.

On the subject of Prince, he indeed was also an athlete and performing the way he did with the same injury is unbelievable.

I played soccer for many years and all the injuries are causing issues later on now in life, truly frustrating and can relate.

"Prince don't know how many hits he got"
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Reply #91 posted 01/11/19 6:13am

leec1

nelcp777 said:

leec1 said:

I am mostly familiar with Chaka Khan's music. Does she live in Minneapolis? I thought she stopped touring with Prince in the early 2000's.

I have to review the DEA file in greater detail but there are probably redacted parts to their file.

They may not have the same supplier, but it would be something to look into. Maybe she was using pill form. She may have had the same connections without even knowing it.I do know that Prince's passing scared her enough to get help (the announcement said as much).

There was a lot of leads that were just dropped or never followed up on.

I am still confused on the dialud. It was in P's system on the 20th. None were found by Carver County during their initial search. But to put things in perspective, they did miss the 2 bottles of fentanyl in the vitamin c containers. I am not dogging anyway, just stating facts.

I am also stuck on the last part of the doctor visit on the 20th. Per Dr. S, he and Prince spent almost 30 minutes talking about withdrawal from opiattes (paraphrased). I wonder if Prince had a major reality check that he was not getting off this stuff on his own. Which is slightly confirmed of what he told Kirk in the car about not beating it (paraphrased).

I also did not see a shredder in the photos of PP during the initial search. Though it could have been overlooked. I only mention this because of the accusation the Phaedra, Meron and Kirk were shredding things.I wonder if this has ever been validated.

I don't want to sound elitist but I have wondered if this investigation had taken place in a major city such as: New York, Los Angeles or Chicago if the outcome would have different. The major cities I mention have large homicide divisions and should be better suited to handle a high profile death.

To my knowledge, the shredding was mentioned by Omar to the police and is thirdhand information which may be why LE chose not to pursue this.

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Reply #92 posted 01/11/19 6:43am

PURPLEIZED3121

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nelcp777 said:

They may not have the same supplier, but it would be something to look into. Maybe she was using pill form. She may have had the same connections without even knowing it.I do know that Prince's passing scared her enough to get help (the announcement said as much).

There was a lot of leads that were just dropped or never followed up on.

I am still confused on the dialud. It was in P's system on the 20th. None were found by Carver County during their initial search. But to put things in perspective, they did miss the 2 bottles of fentanyl in the vitamin c containers. I am not dogging anyway, just stating facts.

I am also stuck on the last part of the doctor visit on the 20th. Per Dr. S, he and Prince spent almost 30 minutes talking about withdrawal from opiattes (paraphrased). I wonder if Prince had a major reality check that he was not getting off this stuff on his own. Which is slightly confirmed of what he told Kirk in the car about not beating it (paraphrased).

I also did not see a shredder in the photos of PP during the initial search. Though it could have been overlooked. I only mention this because of the accusation the Phaedra, Meron and Kirk were shredding things.I wonder if this has ever been validated.

I don't want to sound elitist but I have wondered if this investigation had taken place in a major city such as: New York, Los Angeles or Chicago if the outcome would have different. The major cities I mention have large homicide divisions and should be better suited to handle a high profile death.

To my knowledge, the shredding was mentioned by Omar to the police and is thirdhand information which may be why LE chose not to pursue this.

thta's a whole new thread on the recent book released. Totally agree with you...Carver County seemed totally inept & way out of their depth. Can't imagine Meron B, Phaedra or Kirky J being allowed to call the shots as they did. Noted that Meron B is all over insta' now with her modelling pics.

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Reply #93 posted 01/11/19 6:47am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs



Well then.... Kiran should have told us what she said that was not released.

Lawdy.

Another cryptic associate who wants us to figure out the puzzle on our own while throwing darts to law enforcement.

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.

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Reply #94 posted 01/11/19 9:56am

nelcp777

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Well then.... Kiran should have told us what she said that was not released.

Lawdy.

Another cryptic associate who wants us to figure out the puzzle on our own while throwing darts to law enforcement.

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

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Reply #95 posted 01/11/19 10:34am

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nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.

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Reply #96 posted 01/11/19 10:41am

peggyon

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.

There 'may be a reason' the family will not press charges against them. I don't think these 3 were the only complicit actors.

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Reply #97 posted 01/11/19 10:43am

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peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.

There 'may be a reason' the family will not press charges against them. I don't think these 3 were the only complicit actors.

That's very true.

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Reply #98 posted 01/11/19 11:11am

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PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

There 'may be a reason' the family will not press charges against them. I don't think these 3 were the only complicit actors.

That's very true.

I agree. Look at his fam neutral

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Reply #99 posted 01/11/19 11:56am

ThatWhiteDude

PennyPurple said:

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs

So he's still posting on FB but can't answer my questions? Interesting... neutral

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Reply #100 posted 01/11/19 12:46pm

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PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.



Phaedra is not working for them.

Rhonda Trotter is working for Bremer. It appears she is working on the Italian lawsuit.

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Reply #101 posted 01/11/19 4:00pm

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Yeah, IKR.....he cut and ran.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs

So he's still posting on FB but can't answer my questions? Interesting... neutral

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Reply #102 posted 01/11/19 9:18pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Well then.... Kiran should have told us what she said that was not released.

Lawdy.

Another cryptic associate who wants us to figure out the puzzle on our own while throwing darts to law enforcement.

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.



Sorry Penny, I was skimming too fast...I get what you are saying now.


We have discussed this previously about how the LE written reports of many witnesses differed from the audio interview because the audio contained more info than the written report contained. LE did not release the audio of Kiran. So, there is something within her audio interview the police do not want us to know. Kiran should be more transparent and tell us what they left out of her interview.

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Reply #103 posted 01/11/19 9:52pm

peggyon

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.



Sorry Penny, I was skimming too fast...I get what you are saying now.


We have discussed this previously about how the LE written reports of many witnesses differed from the audio interview because the audio contained more info than the written report contained. LE did not release the audio of Kiran. So, there is something within her audio interview the police do not want us to know. Kiran should be more transparent and tell us what they left out of her interview.

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

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Reply #104 posted 01/11/19 10:37pm

PennyPurple

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peggyon said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Sorry Penny, I was skimming too fast...I get what you are saying now.


We have discussed this previously about how the LE written reports of many witnesses differed from the audio interview because the audio contained more info than the written report contained. LE did not release the audio of Kiran. So, there is something within her audio interview the police do not want us to know. Kiran should be more transparent and tell us what they left out of her interview.

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??

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Reply #105 posted 01/12/19 4:34am

peggyon

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??

Hmmm...

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Reply #106 posted 01/12/19 2:14pm

Roby78

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

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Reply #107 posted 01/12/19 2:38pm

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PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??



Rumors on the grapevine lol lol have it that this happened because during conversation with fans on his Twitter account, he put up a tweet that implied that EF employees may have had something to say about Prince and people should ask them about it. He was gonna be selling his book instore at EF and some fans contacted EF and told them what he said and that they shouldn't be supporting him nor his book. Someone had posted right on EF's FB page about it. Supposedly, EF pulled his book and no longer support him. Right after that, he put up that post on that Twitter acct about leaving it inactive.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #108 posted 01/12/19 2:47pm

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Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??



Rumors on the grapevine lol lol have it that this happened because during conversation with fans on his Twitter account, he put up a tweet that implied that EF employees may have had something to say about Prince and people should ask them about it. He was gonna be selling his book instore at EF and some fans contacted EF and told them what he said and that they shouldn't be supporting him nor his book. Someone had posted right on EF's FB page about it. Supposedly, EF pulled his book and no longer support him. Right after that, he put up that post on that Twitter acct about leaving it inactive.

Yep. You are correct! It got too hot in the kitchen for him. biggrin So he ran away. lol

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Reply #109 posted 01/12/19 6:45pm

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Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in the lungs and is caused by pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful.

Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.

This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up too before pics.

#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.

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Reply #110 posted 01/12/19 8:11pm

nelcp777

Dna testing of the clothing would resolve the cleanup and depress issue. But like so many things, that was not done. As for the bed, I always got the vibe Prince did not sleep, but may have laid back in it while on the laptop.



peggyon said:



Roby78 said:


There are 2 things that I can not explain.


1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.


2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.



Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.





I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in the lungs and is caused by pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful.


Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.



This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up too before pics.



#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.







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Reply #111 posted 01/12/19 8:21pm

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Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.


1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.


2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.



Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.


Whether you urinate or defecate when you die depends first on how much stuff is in your GI and urinary system when you die. If someone died shortly after urinating and defecating, then no, nothing extra will go out. On the other hand, if you are on the toilet and die right before doing your business, then yes, it probably will come out when you die.
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Reply #112 posted 01/12/19 10:13pm

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I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go.
Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join.
I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #113 posted 01/13/19 12:31am

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sonshine said:

I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.

Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).


When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.

I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.

However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.

I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás

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Reply #114 posted 01/13/19 12:49pm

Roby78

peggyon said:

Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in the lungs and is caused by pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful.

Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.

This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up too before pics.

#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.

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That's exactly what I meant, I'm happy to see that someone thinks like me

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Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

Whether you urinate or defecate when you die depends first on how much stuff is in your GI and urinary system when you die. If someone died shortly after urinating and defecating, then no, nothing extra will go out. On the other hand, if you are on the toilet and die right before doing your business, then yes, it probably will come out when you die.

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

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Reply #116 posted 01/13/19 1:09pm

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Roby78 said:

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

So basically it would be soiled where he was found? The bed sheets did not look soiled, and they didn't look like they were changed because of the pill they found in the sheets.

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PennyPurple said:

Roby78 said:

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

So basically it would be soiled where he was found? The bed sheets did not look soiled, and they didn't look like they were changed because of the pill they found in the sheets.

exactly what the doctor told me

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Roby78 said:

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

So basically it would be soiled where he was found? The bed sheets did not look soiled, and they didn't look like they were changed because of the pill they found in the sheets.

Penny, I recall seeing pics in the original Carver County files of 'soiled' white sheets(yellowish/brown staining) discarded along with Fleet enema bottles in the dumpster out back...there was even talk on previous threads if DNA from those sheets had been tied to PRN. Maybe an armload or two of such material was dumped as part of a general post mortem clean up of the death scene. I think the silence was/is bc people are afraid of being criminally charged with tampering with the scene of a 'crime'...It may take a while but, IMO, someone will eventually talk...

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