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Thread started 12/02/19 10:15am

Snake

Why Aren't Vault Tracks being released as their own Albums.

Forgive me folks It was hard to come up for a title of this Question.

I just want to know why Isnt Paisley Park releasing Unrelased tracks as stand lone Albums instead of including them on Deluxe Albums

What Did I Expect from Deluxe Ablums?

new editions of Albums with B-Sides & Extended versions, thats all.

What Did I Expect from the Vault?

Unreleased Music in the forms of Albums- Albums that filled the gap between Princes Career, the stuff they including on these Deluxe Albums deserve their own indentity.

We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced
when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not.
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Reply #1 posted 12/02/19 10:30am

leecaldon

It makes sense to package them together. 1999 becomes a release that hardcore fans can get behind and get excited about, while the vault tracks will get a wider audience, as well as putting them in the context of the era they were recorded in.

Although we do have configurations of something like 'Dream Factory' or 'Camille', for the most part, many 'albums' that the estate release might try to release will not be a finished work that P had ready to release.

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Reply #2 posted 12/02/19 10:32am

Genesia

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leecaldon said:

It makes sense to package them together. 1999 becomes a release that hardcore fans can get behind and get excited about, while the vault tracks will get a wider audience, as well as putting them in the context of the era they were recorded in.

Although we do have configurations of something like 'Dream Factory' or 'Camille', for the most part, many 'albums' that the estate release might try to release will not be a finished work that P had ready to release.


This, exactly.

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Reply #3 posted 12/02/19 10:50am

Snake

Genesia said:

leecaldon said:

It makes sense to package them together. 1999 becomes a release that hardcore fans can get behind and get excited about, while the vault tracks will get a wider audience, as well as putting them in the context of the era they were recorded in.

Although we do have configurations of something like 'Dream Factory' or 'Camille', for the most part, many 'albums' that the estate release might try to release will not be a finished work that P had ready to release.


This, exactly.

lock

But No! Its Makings The TRUE PRINCE FANS buy what we Already have all over again and Thats exessive redundance. Just release Old Music as its Own entity thats what We always expected. It Keeps Prince Alive, these Deluxe Albums Just Makes His Career More Final.

Prince Liked to Move Forward Deluxe Albums are looking Back! New Relases of Vault Songs in Album Form Keeps His Career Alive.

These Deluxe Albums are killing two Birds with One Stone and Shorting the mystery of his creativity.

1. I Have a Better Idea. Release the Deluxe Album as it should with B-Sides and Extended versions.

2. Include a Companion Album from the Vault from the same era including Protege albums like a deluxe Vanity6 Album with unrelseased songs things like that. Either on their own schedule or apart of a package for fans to choose in a special order like he did the Truth & Kama-Sutra when he released Crystal Ball.

We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced
when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not.
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Reply #4 posted 12/02/19 10:55am

SoulAlive

leecaldon said:

It makes sense to package them together. 1999 becomes a release that hardcore fans can get behind and get excited about, while the vault tracks will get a wider audience, as well as putting them in the context of the era they were recorded in.



Although we do have configurations of something like 'Dream Factory' or 'Camille', for the most part, many 'albums' that the estate release might try to release will not be a finished work that P had ready to release.



I agree
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Reply #5 posted 12/02/19 11:16am

lavendardrumma
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The idea is gives a sampling of what else he was working on at the time, with an eye on what could have made the album. But we're not getting true outtakes of the Purple Rain or 1999 sessions, because Prince didn't always work that way, so I get some of the confusion. I guess if you just want to own the vault tracks you have Originals, or streaming options but no physical way yet, and it wouldn't hurt to break up the vault discs. The bigger problem is it doesn't sound like we're getting real vault music yet, they're tracks that circulated within his inner circle. If the vault was a myth and that's all there is, the quality is questionable on some of these tracks...and I think they know that, which is why they didn't market them as a standalone record.

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Reply #6 posted 12/02/19 12:01pm

lust

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Effectively that’s what we have. It’s just packaged alongside the album that it’s contemporary to. This gives it context.

Also, compiling an album of random tracks might imply that it was an intended unreleased album that Prince made. The standard of the tracks would be held to a higher standard than if packaged as outtakes from a specific project that was released. Much the same effect as how we are more charitable about an ok bootleg track than an officially released one.
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Reply #7 posted 12/02/19 12:06pm

LoveGalore

lavendardrummachine said:

The idea is gives a sampling of what else he was working on at the time, with an eye on what could have made the album. But we're not getting true outtakes of the Purple Rain or 1999 sessions, because Prince didn't always work that way, so I get some of the confusion. I guess if you just want to own the vault tracks you have Originals, or streaming options but no physical way yet, and it wouldn't hurt to break up the vault discs. The bigger problem is it doesn't sound like we're getting real vault music yet, they're tracks that circulated within his inner circle. If the vault was a myth and that's all there is, the quality is questionable on some of these tracks...and I think they know that, which is why they didn't market them as a standalone record.

What does this even mean?

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Reply #8 posted 12/02/19 12:14pm

SoulAlive

exactly nod

lust said:

compiling an album of random tracks might imply that it was an intended unreleased album that Prince made. The standard of the tracks would be held to a higher standard than if packaged as outtakes from a specific project that was released.
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Reply #9 posted 12/02/19 12:41pm

TheFman

Snake said:

Forgive me folks It was hard to come up for a title of this Question.

I just want to know why Isnt Paisley Park releasing Unrelased tracks as stand lone Albums instead of including them on Deluxe Albums

What Did I Expect from Deluxe Ablums?

new editions of Albums with B-Sides & Extended versions, thats all.

What Did I Expect from the Vault?

Unreleased Music in the forms of Albums- Albums that filled the gap between Princes Career, the stuff they including on these Deluxe Albums deserve their own indentity.

I agree with you 100%.

I dislike those 'deluxe' albums. They are neither fish nor flesh, and do short on both the original album as on the vault tracks. I expected a VERY different handling of those vault tracks. This is nonsense in the actual format.

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Reply #10 posted 12/02/19 1:39pm

Genesia

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Snake said:

Genesia said:


This, exactly.

lock

But No! Its Makings The TRUE PRINCE FANS buy what we Already have all over again and Thats exessive redundance. Just release Old Music as its Own entity thats what We always expected. It Keeps Prince Alive, these Deluxe Albums Just Makes His Career More Final.

Prince Liked to Move Forward Deluxe Albums are looking Back! New Relases of Vault Songs in Album Form Keeps His Career Alive.

These Deluxe Albums are killing two Birds with One Stone and Shorting the mystery of his creativity.

1. I Have a Better Idea. Release the Deluxe Album as it should with B-Sides and Extended versions.

2. Include a Companion Album from the Vault from the same era including Protege albums like a deluxe Vanity6 Album with unrelseased songs things like that. Either on their own schedule or apart of a package for fans to choose in a special order like he did the Truth & Kama-Sutra when he released Crystal Ball.


You can use all the fancy colors you want, but this is still a stupid idea.

What you are suggesting is that someone (who might that be, exactly?) should create albums of unreleased tracks. I bet if that happened, you'd be the first one screaming, "That's not what Prince would have wanted! bawl "

How is packaging a deluxe albums with B-sides and extended versions NOT "making the true Prince fans buy what we already have over again"? (Let me help you: It isn't.) Same with protegeé albums. A good argument could be made that a "true Prince fan" already has those, too.

And Kama Sutra should stay buried forever. That thing is pure caca.

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Reply #11 posted 12/02/19 2:00pm

jfenster

because u cant please anybody these days

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Reply #12 posted 12/03/19 6:14am

Dandroppedadim
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I think the way they are doing it seems pretty fair when you think about it (RE: above comments). Although I'm hopeful they will attempt to release something 'new' in the coming years. Something like Dream factory for instance would be great as there are exisitng Prince tracklists etc (Not sure how far he got in completing them though? so some tinkering would obviously be required). Camille should definitely come out (maybe for Record day next year?)

[Edited 12/3/19 6:14am]

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Reply #13 posted 12/03/19 6:43am

steakfinger

Genesia said: And Kama Sutra should stay buried forever. That thing is pure caca.

100% true, forever and ever amen.

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Reply #14 posted 12/03/19 11:34am

Snake

Dandroppedadime said:

I think the way they are doing it seems pretty fair when you think about it (RE: above comments). Although I'm hopeful they will attempt to release something 'new' in the coming years. Something like Dream factory for instance would be great as there are exisitng Prince tracklists etc (Not sure how far he got in completing them though? so some tinkering would obviously be required). Camille should definitely come out (maybe for Record day next year?)

[Edited 12/3/19 6:14am]

Deliverance was Perfect and they Stopped it. Im looking forward to more Projects like that.

We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced
when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not.
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Reply #15 posted 12/03/19 11:37am

LoveGalore

Dandroppedadime said:

I think the way they are doing it seems pretty fair when you think about it (RE: above comments). Although I'm hopeful they will attempt to release something 'new' in the coming years. Something like Dream factory for instance would be great as there are exisitng Prince tracklists etc (Not sure how far he got in completing them though? so some tinkering would obviously be required). Camille should definitely come out (maybe for Record day next year?)

[Edited 12/3/19 6:14am]



What exactly is the value in releasing a Camille album when only one song on it has not been released? Put this song on Sign o the Times Super Deluxe and move on.
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Reply #16 posted 12/03/19 11:45am

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Unless they are an unreleased album(Camille, Dream Factory, Flesh Sessions etc) I see no reason overall.

It could be done. But not right now.

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Reply #17 posted 12/03/19 12:09pm

lavendardrumma
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LoveGalore said:

lavendardrummachine said:

The idea is gives a sampling of what else he was working on at the time, with an eye on what could have made the album. But we're not getting true outtakes of the Purple Rain or 1999 sessions, because Prince didn't always work that way, so I get some of the confusion. I guess if you just want to own the vault tracks you have Originals, or streaming options but no physical way yet, and it wouldn't hurt to break up the vault discs. The bigger problem is it doesn't sound like we're getting real vault music yet, they're tracks that circulated within his inner circle. If the vault was a myth and that's all there is, the quality is questionable on some of these tracks...and I think they know that, which is why they didn't market them as a standalone record.

What does this even mean?

What's to explain? Almost all of these are known and circulated tracks that were passed around on cassette through his inner circle. Some of them even sound like they were taken off cassettes and not the masters. Assuming the myth of hundreds and hundreds of unheard tracks, non-stop recording, has any validity, and the Vault website isn't comprehensive. We're not getting full discs of real vault music that wasn't already distributed by him or related band members within his inner circle.

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Reply #18 posted 12/03/19 12:16pm

lavendardrumma
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Snake said:

Deliverance was Perfect and they Stopped it. Im looking forward to more Projects like that.

Deliverance was shockingly good, but someone took creative license to make it. This 1999 material wouldn't have really worked if they butchered several tracks to get an EP out of it inventing new songs.

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